Obama Supporters: Don't Be Schmucks

Run time: 02:04 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7r51Fky0II   Posted on YouTube: May 14, 2008 By YouTube Member: Views on YouTube: 0   Posted on DU: May 14, 2008 By DU Member: jsmooth995 Views on DU: 1184

 

How the hell can you convince someone to vote for Obama when she feels that it was Hillary's turn, and Obama stole it from Hillary? In a Rasmussen(sp?) poll released today 29% of the people polled think Clinton should run as an independent. How do you win these people over? How can you get someone to vote for Obama when they're convinced he's a Muslim (which I think these people are using for code. Instead of saying "I won't vote for a black man," they saying "I won't vote for a Muslim")? Clinton herself has said this is her base.

Please, tell me how Obama breaks through these barriers. jsmooth995, you're acting like this overt racism is Obama's (and his supporters') fault, and somehow all we need to do is shed a few pounds to entice Clinton's staunch supporters to date him. It's way more complicated than that. I wish it wasn't because then Obama would have a clear path to victory in Nov.

Your points are right on happycozy. Too bad most of the DU and democrats will ignore this or pretend there is no racism or ignore real issues like housing, education, civil rights, peace, war, hunger, etc while fighting over the scraps we're left. Why would Obama ignore or talk some voters for granted? He hasn't so far, and that is why he won in smaller states, states in the west, and states with 90% white population. Obama is not the problem. Unfortunately, some of his supporters will go overboard as a reaction to 12 months of the "Clinton is inevitable" talk that has grated on everyone.

Question: what could Obama say or do to get the vote of a Clinton supporter?

Tex Shelters

Down here in Texas it gets so hot in August, that we really could use some Tex Shelters.

But your talking points are all rehashes. If I had read more of your views I might be able to tell if you are asking questions based on honest curiosity or just joining the Hillary Hater bandwagon.

I will play along though. You convince people who support Hillary to vote for Obama if he is the nominee because it is better to have Democrats running things than republicans. The best way to do that is show that the Democratic party is filled with people you can like and admire. Obama can get there if his surrogates here at DU and other sites would call on the trolls to cease the piling on. You can stop calling the candidate I support a racist. I am not a racist. Marched with King and worked with Barbara Jordan. Hillary is not racist and anyone who is not brain dead wouldn't call her campaign racist. She gets more white support in some states. Barack gets more black support. His campaign points this out. It is true but it does not make him racist. Clinton has never claimed the bigot vote. Only in blogland would anyone construe her statements to be so. I don't know your background, but I would dare say that Hillary has done more for civil rights and equal opportunity development than you. I have been an activist all my life, and I know she has done more than I.

So the best way to win Hillary supporters over is to stop being asses. You don't sell a car by calling a client stupid or racist. You don't convert someone by calling them names or telling them they don't get to be a part of your club.

This is actually easy. If you are really sincere about this and not just snarking around, all you have to do to figure out how to win over Hillary supporters is reverse the concept. I assume you are an Obama supporter. Suppose Hillary gets the nomination. What would her supporters have to do, how would they have to act to win you over?

political dialog on other websites.

You're assuming that most voters read the internet, and they've formed their opinion based on the anti-Hillary sentiment they read on political websites. That's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about two types of voters: the low-information voters and staunch supporters who feel that Obama stole the candidacy from Clinton.

To find low-information voters, you only have to look at some of the videos and news articles coming out of WV. These people openly and with no shame say they will not vote for a black man. The Obama camp is trying to keep it quiet, but several of his offices have been vandalized throughout the country. There is some real racial anger towards him. And there is no way to overcome that in one political season. When schools were integrated in the South in '55, it took decades for people to accept it.

The second type of voter will NEVER forgive Obama for "taking" this nomination away from Clinton. The only way they will vote for him is if he chooses her for his vp. I think it's a bad idea because she has spent the past six months building a case as to why Obama is not qualified to be president, and now she's going to have to spend the next six months explaining why he is now qualified to be president. It distracts from Obama's message.

Yes, Obama can win over reasonable Clinton supporters, but he will never win over the two types of voters I just mentioned, and it's insulting to our intelligence to argue he can. Are people on lots of political websites/blogs jackasses toward Clinton? Yes, but the guy who made this video was talking specifically about Clinton's win last night. And it doesn't matter how nice Obama supporters are to Clinton and her supporters, there are at least 1/3 of her supporters who will not ever vote for him. It's sad because it means the democrats will fuck it up again this year.

good job.

if you think al gore was talking about the nader votes being stolen, youre an idiot.

there was massive election fraud and disenfranchisement in florida. deal with it.


alright, now with that being said...

let me just say that hes right about coming together... i just dont think its as easy as he thinks it is. lol

i like part where he cautions the democrats about taking certain votes for granted. while there has most certainly been a lot of vile slop thrown by both sides, according to the "math" obama has it in the bag. so why are many of his supporters here still so damn angry.
what's up with the constant refrain from some them that clintons supporters will eat shit and smile about it or they're welcome to leave the party. it's almost like they're daring the moderate/conservative democrats to leave.

i'm a liberal democrat, but i don't want any part of a mob rule mentality, no matter what political party it belongs to. the sentiment that the clintons or their supporters should be punished since she lost the primary just reminds me way too much of the neocon behavior from 2001 onward. it's an extension of the bush attitude of "we won, fuck you"
it's hard to tell some days whether the objective is winning back control of our government in 2008, and getting our country back on the correct path, or merely sticking it to the clintons.
i've read where the gop is losing members. it seems they're joining the democratic party, and that's great as long as they don't take over the party and turn it into the trainwreck that the gop has become.

to some of the more recent statements of some Clinton supporters. Now that the primary is truly getting close to the end, they are no longer content with saying Obama is unqualified for lack of experience, or accusing him of elitism in his statements. Now, he's "unelectable" because he's favored by blacks and "eggheads." (Or "the Starbuck's crowd" to some people.) The implications of these statements are offensive enough normally, let alone in the context that he's been ahead in the primaries all along and the credibility of those statements as being an honest assessment of him is threadbare at best. And the frequency of these spins and smears has shot up dramatically around the West Virginia primary.

This is not to blame Clinton supporters. I think most of them support Hillary for positive reasons. But the above statements and implications made by Hillary herself and her campaign strategists, and also by some on DU, are out there and I'm not making them up. Although the latter, the ones on DU, may just be Republican trolls, the ones out there in the media spotlight are not. And whether its an issue of racism and bigotry, or merely kowtowing to racism and bigotry, the fact that they pull this out and insist practically in the same sentence that Hillary will unite the party is appalling beyond belief. It takes me back to when that Bush was pulling out "defense of marriage," aka attacking gay rights, as a wedge issue while saying "I'm a uniter, not a divider."

As I said this is not a thing against Hillary supporters. I have no reason and no intention of being a schmuck to them. But as for the few who have come out and said such things, I am not going to give them any respect when they have given me none.

it's time for both camps to exert a little bit of self control.
i personally don't like obama. i think he's full of shit, and he's running on slogans and cheap theatrics, but that's jmo and except for this post i won't mention it again. time will tell me if i'm wrong or not, and if i am i'll be happy and we'll have a great democratic president. if i'm not wrong then i get the personal satisfaction of knowing i was right and we get a bigger majority in congress and another shot at the white house in 4 years. in the meantime there are lots more important things than a nyah nyah with other democrats.

and you had the comments right.

Tex Shelters

:applause:

Much thanks for posting these here, Jay. Really dig your stuff.

This is the post that should be up with the 200 recs. We don't listen, we don't learn. We keep doing the same thing over and over and cry for change.

would it be okay to gloat and bleet like a half-witted Republican when Obama beats Mccain i ember?

What can Obama do to get Hillary supporters to support him? Hmmm....

HOW ABOUT CONTINUING TO REMIND EVERYONE HOW BAD THE LAST 7 YEARS HAVE BEEN AND APPEALING TO THEIR BETTER JUDGMENT THAT WE DON'T WANT ANOTHER 8 YEARS OF LIES, ENVIRONMENTAL DEGRADATION, AND SHREDDING OF THE CONSTITUTION!!!!!

Let's start talking about the issues that matter again. That's how. And about how bad John McCain sucks.

Focus, Dems. It's time to turn the country around.

It was Al Gore's fault that he lost the race? Where the hell was he in 2000?

If he was trying to say something good and important, then he failed miserably.

Furthermore, as long as Clinton stays in the race, I will keep swatting down her lies and elitism.

Idiot!