TYT: Cenk's Take On The Vote Yesterday (We Are The Guardians Of Freedom)

Run time: 05:54 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4kAl0yGT1Y   Posted on YouTube: July 10, 2008 By YouTube Member: Views on YouTube: 0   Posted on DU: July 10, 2008 By DU Member: ihavenobias Views on DU: 1072

 
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Obama just made this campaign harder on himself.

I'm just really nervous he'll turn into John Kerry of 2004 if he keeps it up.

And I'm not saying he will, I'm just saying I'm worried he might.

Big.
Fucking.
Dissapointment.

I still have to vote for him, but....good grief...more weak Democrats. Ugh.

No wonder we fucking lose.

That's what the politics of weakness has got us in the last 40 years.

Every time he says "We Are The Guardians Of Freedom", I hear Dire Straights in my head playing "We Are The Sultans Of Swing". :silly:

Fuck Yeah!

CENK is no better than the other commentators who want to be controversial and thus possibly increase viewership. And, I don't know Cenk's background and am not going to take the time to look, but what makes him such an authority on how to run the Democratic Party or a campaign? (IHNB, I have already posted on your other sites)

"I was wrong, but I've already said I'll vote for this so now I have to - my bad?"

Even Obama stopped trying to defend this vote on anything but political grounds. And, like Cenk, I think he's wrong there, too.

Trust me, he's not trying to be "controversial", he's just being honest to his principles and viewers. If you watch him for any length of time you know that.

As for the what makes him an authority, I don't think that's the right framing. The right framing is that the so-called authorities (i.e. Dem strategists and campaign managers) of the last 2 presidential campaigns have failed miserably.

This is try #3, and since Cenk (like many of us) has paid a lot of attention (it's his job to know and comment on these issues after all) I think he has something valuable to say about mistakes to avoid, etc.

Now, you can disagree with his reasoning and that's fine. In fact, rather than attacking him personally by questioning his authority or suggesting that he's just going for ratings, why not break down his argument and explain why you disagree with it! I think that's the fair way to have a reasonable discussion.

PS---I wouldn't dismiss him as "just a talk show host". I mean sure, he was a lawyer but I don't think that's relevant. Honestly, what makes the average Democratic Strategist on TV an authority of anything other than losing elections and apparently giving bad advice much of the time judging by the results of our recent presidential history? NOTE: Yes, 2000 was stolen and you can make a case for 2004, but the point is it could and should have been blowouts in both cases, not close enough to steal.

never-ending negative ranters on here, and I've just about had it. Spending more time on other messageboards - but thanks to you and the posters in this thread - you made this place credible.
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and I'm sure he listened to Feingold, Leahy, and all the others who voted against it. Maybe Cenk, like me, wonders why Obama ALONE from that particular group of Senators with whom he seems most closely aligned, voted in support of this bill.

I've found Cenk to be able to give a good overall synopsis of the topics he addresses.

EDIT because I made an EMBARRASSING misspelling of Leahy's name!

Make that mistake again and you might get Left Behind. :P

My sincerest apologies to Leahy! I fixed it and thanks for pointing that out. :7

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I'm still laughing at myself. Of all the ways I could have fucked it up - THAT'S the one I choose. :eyes:

Inquiring minds, and all that...

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If there was an attack before the election, it would be BECAUSE of the current policies that Bush has implemented.