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2QT2BSTR8 Donating Member (320 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 10:58 PM
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Olbermann: Gay marriage is a question of love.
 
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Whether my country chooses to ever recognize the 10 years that I have been together with my husband and life partner, I doubt we will live to see in our lifetime. However, we will continue the fight, and continue to share the love, and in our own cherished vows, free of country (who says we are not good enough), free of church (who says we are not all loved in the eyes of our maker), and free of the bigots (who say that only their definition is good enough). To those that support us, I say thank you as we continue this struggle of our civil, yes I said the "C" word, our civil rights to marry. To those that don't support the GLBT movement, I ask you, did you vote for change, or for the status quo? And if you voted for the status quo, I say that I pity you, as you will never know the true love that can really exist between two people of the same sex.
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 11:00 PM
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1. War on Love. Sure is. nt
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Lindsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 11:42 PM
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2. As a California lesbian, Thank you Keith. N/T
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 12:59 AM
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9. You might be interested to read this.
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trickyguy Donating Member (461 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 11:46 PM
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3. Keith, baby, you hit that nail on the head. My sentiments exactly.
:yourock:
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Bette Noir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 11:48 PM
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4. Keith's a real person.
He's welcome at my house any time.
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 11:54 PM
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5. War on Love, it is.
:cry:
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2Design Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 12:20 AM
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6. kick
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ropi Donating Member (948 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 01:31 AM
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12. kicking it too
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Duncan Grant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 12:26 AM
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7. I've not allowed myself to cry about this yet but I had to fight back tears while watching this.
That Democrats were complicit in the removal of state sanctioned rights from gay Americans is unconscionable.

There is no context for a "Yes on 8" vote which removes the stain of this injustice. Where is your outrage?
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FloridaJudy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 12:29 AM
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8. Thank you, Keith
For expressing my own sentiments so eloquently.

K&R
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quidam56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 01:24 AM
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10. It's time all humans and American's to love one another.
Growing up in the 60's and 70's somehow the other kids knew I was a fag, queer, homo, or at least that's what they called me. Growing up, now I look back, I used to wonder how a black, lesbian woman felt. Can't tell you how much in college and into the work force so many conversations with gay slurs I endured afraid to "come out" or speak out. Could you imagine a black man with white skin in a position where the conversation joke or topic is about niggers ? I switched from Republican Baptist to a loving open minded Episcopalian which has turned it's back on a human ( Bishop Vickie Eugene "Gene" Robinson)it's tragic. One day these humans will be judged by the way they treated their fellow humans. Senator Craig ( a married, family man ) is what really gives the Gay community a bad name. There's just too much conflict and hate in America and that should be one on our list of things to do,for changing America. In the good ole USA, Sunday is the most segregated day of the week.

If the GOP is the party of GOD, they better start showing this "One Nation under God" more respect. This administration and bunch of talking heads on the Fake News television machine. God didn't put 350 million year old Appalachian mountains here to be decapitated for greed and for the love of money. http://www.wisecountyissues.com

All I am saying, is give peace a chance.
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ropi Donating Member (948 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 01:30 AM
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11. wow...
beautifully stated.

keith, i love you.
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ropi Donating Member (948 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 01:32 AM
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13. kick and kick again
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spiritual_gunfighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 01:52 AM
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14. His best Special Comment yet
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 03:24 AM
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15. Yep, Keith got it! n/t
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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 10:19 AM
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16. What's love got to do....got to do with it?
I agree with Mr. Olbermann and I'm sure that people, gay or straight, who want to get married love each other (most of them)and all that.... I mean, duh!

But this is a CIVIL RIGHTS issue and is about LEGAL STATUS. The arguments against it are lame and where Gay Marriage has been made legal, none...zero... of the fears opponents wring their hands about have materialized. There's just no LEGAL basis for the ban, and calling it something else other than Marriage smacks of the immensely stupid "separate but equal" period of Jim Crow.

And like I say, I agree with the comment. But the thing that should be clear to everyone is that it is ILLEGAL under the US Constitution. And that deserves a ...DUH!

I guess if you can get the confused and brainwashed to realize that those "freaky gays" love each other just like they do, change the attitude, then more will accept it. But I find the legal arguments more powerful. They have nothing to do with ethereal, changing emotions.
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funkybug Donating Member (59 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 02:44 PM
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17. Never ceases to amaze me
Just saw this video, thought it's been out for a bit ...

Is there any such thing as "Same ol' Olbermann"?

This was beyond moving.
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shireen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 04:40 PM
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18. it's a human right
Keith's commentary moved me to tears, and I don't tear up easily.

Keith is absolutely right; this is really about LOVE, the right to publicly proclaim and celebrate that LOVE. To have that LOVE recognized and accepted in our society.

No person wants to be invisible, to quietly slip in and out of a lifetime. No person can exist alone; we are social animals with the need to belong in a tribe. That's why we have ceremony and tradition, like christenings, Bar Mitzvahs, weddings and funerals. We need our tribe to bear witness to important moments in our lives, to share the joy or sorrow of that significant moment.

In Western culture, one of the most important of these moments is the choosing of a lifelong mate, a relationship founded in LOVE and deep friendship. It is called marriage.

The people who voted for Prop. 8 do not fully understand LOVE. But they have no trouble understanding HATE.
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Founding Fathers Donating Member (34 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-08 06:45 PM
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19. What's love got to do with it?
Regarding the question of whether or not homosexuals should be allowed to legally marry one another should not turn on the personal, emotional interpretation of a human relationship.

Upholding and respecting our U.S. Constitution and each American's civil and constitutional rights requires one to know and understand the Equal Rights clause to the 14th Amendment of our U.S. Constitution. It does NOT require heterosexuals to "love gays" or love "gay marriage." It requires intelligence and education.

Olbermann means well of course, but like too many people, including those who oppose "gay marriage," folks make this issue far too complex, since it is categorically an Equal Rights issue. Personal opinions matter not when it comes to a government or employer or school administration respecting one's constitutional rights - abiding by and complying with the 14th Amendment to our U.S. Constitution. I hear folks arguing the emotional merits/demerits of "gay marriage" all the time. It is an exercise in futility and serves wholesale anti-gay discrimination against homosexuals. Upholding and honoring gay Americans' Equal Rights protections does NOT require the emotional approval of heterosexual Americans.

The Equal Protection Clause, part of the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution, provides that "no state shall ... deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws". The Equal Protection Clause can be seen as an attempt to secure the promise of the United States' professed commitment to the proposition that "all men are created equal" by empowering the judiciary to enforce that principle against the states.

More concretely, the Equal Protection Clause, along with the rest of the Fourteenth Amendment, marked a great shift in American constitutionalism. Before the enactment of the Fourteenth Amendment, the Bill of Rights protected individual rights only from invasion by the federal government. After the Fourteenth Amendment was enacted, the Constitution also protected rights from abridgement by state leaders, and governments, even including some rights that arguably were not protected from abridgement by the federal government. In the wake of the Fourteenth Amendment, the states could not, among other things, deprive people of the equal protection of the laws.


btw, mark my words..........Proposition 8 will be overturned and ruled unconstitutional by the California Supreme Court.

Founding Fathers
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DutchLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-08 09:16 PM
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20. His speech made me cry. ME, of all people!
You have to do an awful lot to make me cry. Obama did it with his victory speech, Mr. Olbermann did it with this beautiful piece.

I don't ever wanna hear him compared to Hannity or O'Reilly again! That includes you, too, Jon Stewart! :mad:
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