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has been everything.

that's powerful stuff! Should be running in every state!

Pelosi's 'table'...

Spineless "Democrats" in Washington may be rushing to their chiropractors for a checkup...

Andrew Johnson was Impeached in THREE DAYS.
Next.

When is this whole impeachment thing supposed to go down exactly?

If we think for a moment to just let it fade away, how can we have any credibility NEXT time it happens?
And what could we say to the families of thousands, TENS of thousands who have had loved ones, killed by order of these
criminals?
Could you, could any of us look them in the eye and say 'Come on, it's in the past'?

Andrew Johnson was impeached in THREE DAYS. What's wrong with you?

... if you want one that does it justice and provides due process it will take weeks if not months.

To say it can be done in three days is, I think, a reference to the fact that there is already evidence of impeachable offenses, and it wouldn't take weeks or months to have to start from scratch and gather evidence.

The actual process would likely take longer than three days.

The occupation in Iraq has been run very much like, in essence, a kangaroo court. There must be consequences, else we are finished as a moral, ethical, lawful nation.

including interviewing witnesses, the opportunity to gather their own data and do their own investigations. As I said, you can forgo this as there is nothing Constitutionally requiring it, but it would be a kangaroo court.

... to compile a list of impeachable offenses on the part of Bushco?

Many of us were deeply disappointed that Conyers failed to honor his promise to pursue impeachment -- under pressure from Pelosi.

"There must be consequences, else we are finished as a moral, ethical, lawful nation." I think we have been not-so-nice for quite a long time. For example, our relations with Latin America.

We have been *so* "not-so-nice" that I am sometimes in despair. We have rocked along for years, basking in our moral superiority, saying "Talk to the Hand" to the rest of the world, that I marvel we still exist. Except I don't marvel. We have the weapons!

I mean with the weapons. Empires don't last forever. And, so very often I am in despair for what we have done. I haven't really been very happy with Obama's picks. I am quite skeptical of Eric Holder AG. He was attorney for Chiquita Banana when they hire right wing murderous paramilitaries to kill thousands. Here is a link that PeacePatriot posted a while back.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=405&topic_id=9608

However, I am a bit more hopeful about Xaivier Becerra. I suppose we will see.

Why not run the impeachment just like smirking monkey boy run this country? If Bush and Cheney didn't run a kangaroo court administration, we wouldn't be where we're at, silly. Impeachment can be started in the morning and conclude in the damned afternoon. We ALREADY HAVE THE EVIDENCE. WAKE UP. HELLO! LOL.

if you intend to offer due process to the accused, and allow them to gather evidence and interview witnesses, that takes time.

None of that matters if you dont care about justice. Justice means you have to allow the accused the opportunity to mount a defense.

to the crimes. It could be a VERY short trial.

the amount of witnesses and evidence that could be thrown at this by the hypothetical defense is massive.

Understand that in my opinion, this President is guilty of crimes against humanity and should spend the rest of his life in prison. That doesnt mean I want to see that end result without due process.

as to the crimes against the constitution, the people and nature they have been perpetrating?

PLEASE tell me you are joking

PLEASE TELL ME THIS PRETENSE AT NOT UNDERSTANDING WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT IS JUST THAT, A PRETENSE

the amount of witnesses and evidence that could be thrown at this by the hypothetical defense is massive.

Understand that in my opinion, this President is guilty of crimes against humanity and should spend the rest of his life in prison. That doesnt mean I want to see that end result without due process.

;who has shown nothing but contempt for the Constitution and the rule of law;
the benefits of that law is laudable. You are a better person than I.

Wow! Where can I donate to keep that commercial running! This is FANTASTIC! I unbelievably encouraged by this. Yes!

The fact that your spirits are lifted up has lifted my spirits too.

:patriot:

and listened to all those 'journalists' laugh. How dare they laugh. I knew it would come back to haunt them. If they go to prison, there punishment should be listening to that skit for two hours a day or over the loud speakers throughout the night. I find it so hard to forgive. It isn't time.dd

Thank you to those who created this ad. I hope the families approved.

Lastly... isn't 4200 the number that died in Iraq in action, not the total number that died after being removed ... to Iraq medics or to Germany or back in the U.S.?

Our kids meant nothing to all the media who enabled the lying 'war' and the fact that this administration refused to hold a trial for 9-11 - and went right for the oil.

FUCKERS! I never used the word HATE before 2001.

There's been 600 to 800 contractor blackwater types that have died. Their number is completely invisible to America. Oh well, I hope their families got good death benefits.

-90% Jimmy

....some of those images. :cry: :cry: :cry:


It's a shame so few in the Senate have the courage to stand up to the likes of a pathetic washed up dildo assbag like Bush. Freakin cowards! :banghead:

everyone before the trials actually start. Otherwise, without a charge of crime how could Bush use his pardon powers?

He can't use his pardoning powers if they START impeachment. It doesn't make a fuck whether he's found guilty. Just STARTING the process STOPS the pardoning power.
Once the Impeachment proceedings are underway, the pardoning powers are rendered NULL and VOID! Once the Impeachment proceedings are underway, the pardoning powers are rendered NULL and VOID! Once the Impeachment proceedings are underway, the pardoning powers are rendered NULL and VOID!
Now do you get it? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?

"Once the Impeachment proceedings are underway, the pardoning powers are rendered NULL and VOID!"

I was unable to find that in the Constitution.

After conviction?

William E. Gladstone, British PM four times under Queen Victoria, famously said, "justice delayed is justice denied." That quote has been turned around on its head over the years, but I do believe it's never too late to right a horrible wrong. It's not too late to take up the war crimes of Bush, Cheney et. al., in an international court, even if proceedings began after January 20, which they certainly would. The end of Bush's term doesn't exonerate him or anyone else from their crimes.

Some Americans, not wishing to deal with the process again say, "well, we just can't go around impeaching every president..." (whether he deserves it or not).

Bugliosi, Conyers and Kucinich have been sounding the drumbeat for making Bush and Cheney accountable for their considerable crimes for years. They've accumulated mountains of documentation and have done a lot of the legwork for future prosecutors, if any. Bugliosi himself is a brilliant prosecutor and I can't wait to read his new book, which the MSM has pretty much buried.

The structure of and indictments handed down in the Nuremburg trials seem fitting for adoption in a trial against Bush Administration officials, up to and including the President and Vice President. But I would like to see the sentences handed down in any such proceedings carried out to the fullest extent applicable and then made to stick.

There were several Nuremburg Trials, but the ones most people mean when they talk about them are those that put Bormann, Hess, Speer and close to two dozen others in the dock, and which lasted from late 1945 to late 1946. (Not much longer than O.J. Simpson's murder trial, although in this case the 24 defendants were all charged with many of the same crimes.)

The indictments at Nuremburg were for:

1. Participation in a common plan or conspiracy for the accomplishment of crime against peace
2. Planning, initiating and waging wars of aggression and other crimes against peace
3. War crimes
4. Crimes against humanity

Clearly, I think you could tick off all the boxes for W, Cheney, Rummy and a dozen others.

Anyone who's seen the movie Judgment at Nuremburg, and has stayed around for the end credits knows that, sadly, most of the Nazis on trial did not get what they deserved, although it can be argued that many of theirs were unpunishable crimes. The sentences at Nuremburg and the outcomes of most of them were undercut by challenges to the validity of the proceedings, and by some of the defendants, who committed suicide before they were to be imprisoned. Less than a dozen of the defendants were hanged, some apparently escaped Germany, and others were released early for "ill health," after serving just a couple of years of their life sentences. The logic of this is analogous to sterilizing the arm of a death row inmate before giving him the first lethal injection.

In any case, in Judgement at Nuremburg, Richard Widmark's Col. Lawson says, "One thing about Americans, we're not cut out to be occupiers. We're new at it and not very good at it." Lawson is a composite character of several members of the U.S. prosecutorial team, but I'll bet none of them envisioned a day when the President of the United States would deliberately break those laws which he didn't rewrite, sacrifice thousands of American soldiers and countless civilian lives, sell an unprovoked war to a sleeping Congress, who through an indefensible faith in their President went along with his filthy scheme. I'll bet they never thought a U.S. President would lie repeatedly about the justification for an undeclared war and then joke about it publicly; painstakingly conceal the flag-draped remains of that bitter harvest, and drag this obscene enterprise out longer than American involvement in any previous war this country has ever fought. The American lawyers who prosecuted the Nuremburg defendants surely never dreamed that a U.S. President would one day unilaterally jail those who disagreed with him without informing them of the charges (if any) against them, deny them counsel and torture them in violation of the Geneva Conventions because, gosh darn, those quaint provisions just seem so. . . 1949. It seems obvious, however, that after 5 1/2 years in an iron-fisted, injudicious mission cobbled together to ostensibly bestow the gifts of freedom, democracy and sovereignty to a nation halfway around the world about which most Americans know very little, whatever democracy has been planted there has come at the expense of our own.

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For the dispensation of the Nuremburg defendants' sentences:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremburg_Trials#The_main_trial

does anyone here really think that a majority of our courageous leaders in the current congress will impeach? or maybe you think the new batch of 'leaders' will have the courage to do something. HA!! these people, the prez included, are pols just like the rest.

and i can't tell ya how much i would like to have egg all over my face on this one!

Like a Shakespeare play, just because you know how it ends, doesn't mean you can't enjoy the performance.

givne misleading advertising on prop 8. California by voting evidence alone is a Democratic friend glad to have them aboard. K&R

Starting an illegal war resulting in the deaths of over 4000 American service men and women and hundreds of thousands of civilians is not an impeachable offense...

Getting a BJ in the oval office and then lying about, now thats high treason!

It's absolutely ridiculous. We must keep pushing for impeachment.

most of whom gave our hard-earned money to elect people who we thought would be accountable and, at least consider looking into HIGH crimes, isn't it amazing how we have been fooled again?
how gullible and stupid we can be. you would think that after our last humdinger of an ill-conceived war - one that cost us almost 60,000 dead, 100,000's injured, 3,000,000 dead asians, a country almost destroyed (vietnam, that is) - a war that we thankfully LOST or we would still be paying to defend and rebuild it - you would think we would have prosecuted the bastards that got us into that mess. nope!
SO WHY IN THE HELL, WOULD ANY OF US EXPECT ANYTHING DIFFERENT NOW?!?............THIS FUCKIN COUNTRY SOMETIMES PISSES ME OFF!

I would prefer it now before the inauguration, but afterward would also be acceptable. Do it now or do it later, but Impeach Him!

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3895385104246165570&hl=en

://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hr8k8WHTzN0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGwvSwOP7Ow

so simple and yet so powerful.

I see that Dufus said he was unprepared for War.
We need to get this guy out by Dec 2nd. Every day he is still in office puts this country in terrible peril.

I've been making impeachment ads for years

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3895385104246165570&hl=en

://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hr8k8WHTzN0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGwvSwOP7Ow

Two interviews with Vincent Bugliosi:


The Prosecution of George W. Bush for Murder: An Interview with Vincent Bugliosi - Part 1 Aug. 8, 2008
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0808/S00099.htm

Bush, Manson, and the Media Blackout: An Interview with Vincent Bugliosi - Part 2 Aug. 12, 2008
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0808/S00142.htm

This isn't going to win any support beyond the extreme left. So basically this is preaching to the choir.

And why bother? Dim-son is gone is less than 6 weeks.

"Why bother punishing that murderer? He's really old and is gonna die soon."

Blah blah blah.

... who murdered people in the Los Angeles area? Why not just move on and save the State of California all the money it took to put on a trial?

Same mindset.

Stupid and pointless by what ethical standard?

Too risky for establishment politicians.