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Amerigo Vespucci

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Thu Dec-11-08 01:32 AM
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Bush says the Bible is probably not true but you can learn a lot from it, you know, God sent a son

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Bush admits something that would have been political suicide four years ago:

WASHINGTON -- President George W. Bush said his belief that God created the world is not incompatible with the scientific theory of evolution.

In an interview with ABC's "Nightline" on Monday, the president also said he probably is not a literalist when reading the Bible although an individual can learn a great deal from it, including the New Testament teaching that God sent his only son.

Asked about creation and evolution, Bush said: "I think you can have both. I think evolution can -- you're getting me way out of my lane here. I'm just a simple president. But it's, I think that God created the earth, created the world; I think the creation of the world is so mysterious it requires something as large as an almighty and I don't think it's incompatible with the scientific proof that there is evolution."

He added, "I happen to believe that evolution doesn't fully explain the mystery of life."

Interviewer Cynthia McFadden asked Bush if the Bible was literally true.

"You know. Probably not. ... No, I'm not a literalist, but I think you can learn a lot from it, but I do think that the New Testament for example is ... has got ... You know, the important lesson is 'God sent a son,"' Bush said.

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balantz

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Thu Dec-11-08 01:40 AM
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1. "I'm just a simple president"

He's just a pimple on the ass of cheney, and cheney and shrubbie's daddy are just stinky warts on the ass of some evil, devil thing.

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Tiggeroshii

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Thu Dec-11-08 01:43 AM
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3. I heard that, and I was tempted to type here...

"Yes, you are. VERY simple..."

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Tiggeroshii

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Thu Dec-11-08 01:42 AM
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2. I actually agree with most of what he said.

I consider myself a sort of, spritual agnostic so to speak. And while this guy could have sad what he said in a far more graceful way, for the most part even we on DU can agree with him probably. No whether this is consistent with what he's said in the past while he's tried to pander to the religious voters is another serious question that I think sheds him in a terribly bad light. In terms of religion though, it sounds like he's at liberty to be a lot more honest to us about it since he's at the end of his term. And it's actually something I can identify with a lot more, and even appreciate him a little bit for sharing...

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balantz

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Thu Dec-11-08 01:48 AM
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4. I don't care what it is he says, even if I were to ever think I might agree with him

about anything, I still wouldn't agree with him.

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napoleon_in_rags

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Thu Dec-11-08 03:02 AM
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6. I think many, many people do agree with those thoughts.

I mean if you don't underestimate our ancestors, you can look at the genesis creation story as this incredibly rich symbolic myth and explore it spiritually, while looking at evolution as the origin of our material bodies.

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tclambert

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Thu Dec-11-08 07:05 AM
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17. My favorite part of the Adam and Eve version of creation is when

the all-knowing, all-seeing God says, "Adam, where are you?" See, Adam was hiding at that point because he was ashamed. But clearly Adam was also the best ever at hide-and-seek. Even God couldn't find him.

The Bible absolutely requires interpretation to make sense. Anyone who's ever read the Book of Revelations knows you cannot take it literally at face value. Revelations was all written in an allegorical code. Unfortunately, history lost a lot of the keys to it.

So I guess I'm saying I kinda agree with you and . . . with . . . George . . . Bush. (My fingers were cramping up on that last part.) What PO's me is that Bush says this now, after having hidden these beliefs, essentially lying about his beliefs, for the last eight years. That's what you call pandering.

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awoke_in_2003

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Thu Dec-11-08 01:19 PM
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36. The garden of Eden...

had some killer hiding spaces :)

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napoleon_in_rags

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Thu Dec-11-08 02:23 PM
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40. Are you kidding? The BEST part of that story is genesis 3:11

google it, you won't be disappointed. :)

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Tiggeroshii

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Thu Dec-11-08 03:56 PM
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42. Revelations is widely interpreted as being an allegory for reassurance to

the Israelites and Christiations that one day the Roman Empire will fall. It was to bring hope that their suffering and persecution will end. That's one idea, anyways :shrug:

I do agree, Bush likes to share his honest beliefs when it no longer matters politically.

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TheEuclideanOne

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Thu Dec-11-08 08:04 AM
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19. I think that people like you that demonstrate how powerful religion is in being able to control

Edited on Thu Dec-11-08 08:11 AM by TheEuclideanOne

people. A person really just has to say the words. Spew spew spew. As long as those words can relate to your religious beliefs, everything else becomes irrelevant. I can see that there is a little voice inside your head saying "See...He is one of us.... did you just hear what he said? What a good and compassionat man!" Bush's life has been a complete contradiction of his religion, but I guess that for you it is still okay, if he says the words that relate to your religion. In short, you probably can relate to since you are probably like him. I can not relate to him, regardless of the warm and fuzzy religious crap he spews today or tommorrow. I look beyond words and into actions and do not simply disregard the person's background just because he is now relating to me on a religious level. You are probably a very easily controlled person and if this were WWII, you would certainly be taking commands from Hitler.

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Tiggeroshii

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Thu Dec-11-08 03:37 PM
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41. What's your game?

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TheEuclideanOne

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Thu Dec-11-08 10:05 PM
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45. What do you mean?

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Tiggeroshii

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Thu Dec-11-08 10:28 PM
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46. All I said is that I agreed with that statement.

That doesn't mean I necessarily agree with anything else the guy has done. I especially don't think he's honest, nor am I blindly following anything anybody said. Your post had an incredibly hostile tone to it, with little relevance to the statement I made. What's your game? Are you trying to make a point or find a scapegoat?

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TheEuclideanOne

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Fri Dec-12-08 01:00 AM
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47. Well, I was about to say that I overreacted, but after re-reading your original

post, I must still confess that quotes like the one below really sours my mood. Maybe it is due to lack of sleep, maybe it is a pet peeve of mine, but I don't agree with those types of comments. What do you mean that he is at liberty to be honest now? Was somebody holding a gun to his head, forcing him to be dishonest when HE WAS RUNNING THE COUNTRY?!? I hate to break the news to you, but he was at liberty to be honest with us the whole time. Does it matter now anyway? There is just way too much willingness to justify his behavior over the last 8 years based on only a few statements. Don't worry, you are not alone in this. Alot of religious sheeple like yourself were doing the same thing.

So, let me be perfectly clear(to quote Obama), regardless of what you say, I think that you are justifying his behavior over the last 8 years based on what he is saying today. Poor W, he is really honest, he was just not at liberty to act honestly during the time when he was president of the United States and committing every crime known to man. I am so happy that the pressure is now off and he can be the honest person that he really is.

In terms of religion though, it sounds like he's at liberty to be a lot more honest to us

Note to self: get some sleep.

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TheEuclideanOne

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Fri Dec-12-08 08:26 AM
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48. So now that I have had some sleep, I was thinking that maybe I was too harsh in my replies

Nope, I read it again and still feel the same way :rofl:

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mzmolly

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Thu Dec-11-08 01:55 PM
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39. Problem is, he didn't say it when he was trying to rope his followers into a so called "holy war."

:puke:

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Tiggeroshii

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Thu Dec-11-08 03:58 PM
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43. Agreed.

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bluestateguy

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Thu Dec-11-08 03:00 AM
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5. Bush always pretended to be an evangelical fundamentalist

And they all ate it up, hook, line and sinker.

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Divine Discontent

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Thu Dec-11-08 03:25 AM
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7. DING DING DING DING DING DING!!!!

we have a winner!

the evangelicals are an EASY lot to lead astray - you swing around a few words at them, speak a few choice opinions on a couple of issues and they will defend you as the greatest living breathing president to stain, er, I mean, bless the white house!

I agreed with everything B*sh said...

pardon me, I have to go throw up now.

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opihimoimoi

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Thu Dec-11-08 03:36 AM
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8. The Dude is an AIRHEAD...even Sarah Palin is smarter than him

Joe the Plumber is a Giant compared to Bush....

Bush uses "Empty Language" Phrases everyone agrees with...but sez nuthing....

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Divine Discontent

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Thu Dec-11-08 03:57 AM
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9. he's not the smartest president by any means

but I think he's smarter than Palin. I take it you watched the vid. I won't say I'm impressed with him, ever, but he did show some thoughtfulness in his answers.

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opihimoimoi

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Thu Dec-11-08 10:53 AM
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28. I find him to be Shallow and of poor intellect...he is a Bully faking his way thru

NPD person....very bad dude to lead the Nation....

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TheEuclideanOne

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Thu Dec-11-08 08:23 AM
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20. Well said. I really need to start my own cult. I am sure I can spew crap like the best of em.

If I was not ready to throw up while watching the video, I am definitely going to hurl if I continue to read the posts of the religious folks here who can suddenly relate to this asshole. If anything, I am certainly going to move away from my laptop now so that I don't ruin the keyboard.

I have read a number of posts here that say, in a nutshell:
What Bush is saying now is something that they can really agree with. That he really is a spiritual person and regardless of what he has demonstrated over his life, they can really relate to the way he thinks.

Here is what the voice in my head is saying:
WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE!?!?!?!?! From a lot of the disclaimers that people add in the beginning of their posts, it shows that they very well know his background. So is that all it takes? Just a few words as you tell us how you really feel now? Am I supposed to now feel that you are a swell guy? People really amaze me and too often in a bad way.

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spiritual_gunfighter

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Thu Dec-11-08 09:40 AM
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25. Only a religious person would be able to agree with George W. Bush n/t

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bdamomma

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Thu Dec-11-08 11:25 AM
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32. it was all BS of course, that is the only thing he knows how to do.

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cboy4

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Thu Dec-11-08 04:50 AM
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10. All I can say is you can tell he's a lame duck .. years ago

he would be snarling and groaning at these types of questions.

Now, it's like he's on a sedative of something.

Sure, it's the sedative of idiocy, but he's a lot more up front and honest about how he truly feels about faith.

And it should piss of the fundies, which is all the better.

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Mithreal

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Thu Dec-11-08 05:23 AM
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11. Pathetic excuse for a Christian even if he sounds like one. nt

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rambler_american

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Thu Dec-11-08 05:37 AM
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12. I'm just a simple president.

Indeed.

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bulloney

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Thu Dec-11-08 06:42 AM
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13. This bullshit that Bush is a devout Christian is an act to appease the religious right base.

It's as genuine as his "ranch" in Crawford. It's an act. It's been done to project an image.

The Bushes are ditching the Crawford ranch in favor of a new home in an elite part of Dallas. I think the Christian schtick will be pitched, too, now that he will be out of the public spotlight.

Real Christians don't engage in war mongering. They don't call the richest of the rich "my base." They don't mock a person as she's about to be executed.

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olegramps

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Thu Dec-11-08 06:51 AM
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14. He is just another uneducated spoiled brat.

Edited on Thu Dec-11-08 06:52 AM by olegramps

He had the advantage of getting a superior education and just like McCain, he squandered his opportunity. He and the man who desired to replace his are the epitome of the spoiled underachieving brat.

It is embarrassing that the president of the United States is so inarticulate and ignorant. Thank God that we will have a man in the office that is an educated gentleman that has pursued to excel throughout his life. I shudder to think that we could have been shouldered with another low achieving opportunist if McCain had smeared his why into the White House. The thought of Sarah Palin being Vice President is truly frighting and only demonstrates the depths to which the GOP has fallen.

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Thu Dec-11-08 06:52 AM
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15. Ha! He sure did play those fundi fools!! SUCKERS!

He is still flip flopping on it..."I happen to believe that evolution doesn't fully explain the mystery of life." then says that the babble is 'probably not literally true: pick a spot and stand in.

Anyhow, all the evidence concludes that Evolution is a FACT based on empirical evidence. Hard facts can not be beat by superstitious, bronze age nonsense.

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prostock69

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Thu Dec-11-08 06:57 AM
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16. "the important lesson is 'God sent a son'"????????

WTF is the lesson in that? What a dumbass he is.

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Gato Moteado

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Thu Dec-11-08 08:02 AM
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18. ouch.....that's gotta hurt the freeptards

and fundies.

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Mira

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Thu Dec-11-08 08:36 AM
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21. Many good comments. His own "weighty" commentary on his religious

beliefs, his inconsistencies, the pandering, the simpleton mind yet clever enough to use phrases laden with pompous sounding nothingness.......
What gets me though is that, all evidence to the contrary, and I have loads of pictures in my file to disprove his lying mouth, he still insists he is not drinking and nobody picks up on that..

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Clovis Sangrail

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Thu Dec-11-08 08:47 AM
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22. I think his views are similar to a lot of christians

well... at least what he says in the interview

not a literalist.. doesn't see evolution as incompatible with theology
:shrug:

There are so many logical contradictions in religion that everybody picks what to believe, what to ignore, and what parts are really "just lessons".

I'm sure there are some fundies out there that are upset about this though
:evilgrin:

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IsItJustMe

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Thu Dec-11-08 08:51 AM
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23. He actually sounds somewhat sane here.

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spiritual_gunfighter

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Thu Dec-11-08 09:41 AM
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26. If you are inferring that GWB sounds sane you need your head examined

or you need to get up off of your knees.

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AtheistCrusader

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Thu Dec-11-08 12:42 PM
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35. Well, in this video clip

taken out of context and by itself, he's a hair more sane than his scumbag excuse for a father, who decided on National TV that people like me couldn't possibly be patriots, and probably shouldn't be considered citizens because of my lack of religious faith.

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elias7

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Thu Dec-11-08 10:26 AM
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27. I agree...

when a fundie starts talking about their faith, I get that Stepford Wife feeling. But I don't get that with Bush here. He actually seems capable of thinking abstractly and metaphorically. Good for him.

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Tangerine LaBamba

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Thu Dec-11-08 09:28 AM
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24. Flaming homicidal lying asswipe

And he believes in Ceiling Cat.

Delusional, arrogant fuck who needs to be beat up by some of the guys from my old 'hood. THAT would show him how much his Ceiling Cat loves him, for sure.

Organized religion - the best way to control those who lack the courage or capacity to think for themselves and/or to take responsibility for their own actions.

So, Chimpy Fucknuts, I suppose your Ceiling Cat told you to invade Iraq and cause all those worthless American and Iraqi deaths? When you think of the children you've killer - if you ever think of the children you've killed - do you think maybe your Ceiling Cat was leading down some kind of misbegotten path?

How much longer do we have to be exposed to this miserable bastard? Is he gonna be back after January 20?

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moosewhisperer

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Thu Dec-11-08 10:56 AM
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29. Once again...

...this dimwit is unable to articulate his thoughts. Instead he continues to make one lame joke after another as if that will once again endear him to the American public. Ass hole.

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bdamomma

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Thu Dec-11-08 11:18 AM
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30. oh the Fundies heads must be exploding

after they called George the messiah. Stinking liar man he is.

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onlyadream

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Thu Dec-11-08 11:20 AM
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31. Why does Bush and OJ Simpson seem so similar to me?

I got it!
It's just the "aw shucks, I'm just a regular guy."
When in fact they are both murderers.

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newmac

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Thu Dec-11-08 11:43 AM
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33. This religious nonsense just has to end already

Go open a Faith Based Computer Repair shop; and you'll fail at that too.

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awoke_in_2003

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Thu Dec-11-08 01:28 PM
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37. Agreed...

religion is dragging this country backwards.

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butterfly77

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Thu Dec-11-08 12:17 PM
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34. Is there anyone out there..

who will continue to be fooled again by this hypocrite,lying, bushitter...

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Crowman1979

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Thu Dec-11-08 01:39 PM
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38. THE FUNDIES JUST GOT *PUNKED*!!!

Isn't Ashton Kutcher supposed to pop up at any moment during the Hagee sermon? :D

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NYC Liberal

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Thu Dec-11-08 04:34 PM
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44. Did anyone catch the part where he admits he has an EGO PROBLEM?

"And I've got a lot of problems. I mean, I got, you know, the ego... all the things that prevent me from being closer to the Almighty"

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lumpy

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Sun Dec-14-08 02:42 AM
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49. Sounds like he had a 1 hour crash course in Christianity 1

like millions of other lazy asses who call themselves Christian.

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Lost River Ledger

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Mon Dec-15-08 07:57 AM
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50. God sent a son......?

Correction, truth be told.....Jesus had two dads (Joseph and some guy in a beard).......and a surrogate mother......read it....its in there.....no really......damn, gotta love the sacred myths......

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