Rep. Kaptur Scolds GOP: 'Democrat' Party Doesn't Exist

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Rep. Kaptur scolds GOP: ‘Democrat Party’ doesn’t exist.

During today’s House Budget Committee hearing, Rep. Jeb Hensarling (R-TX) repeatedly invoked the “Democrat Party” while questioning Office of Management and Budget director Peter Orszag. Immediately following Hensarling’s time, Rep. Marcy Kaptur (D-OH) took him to task for using the purposefully-disparaging moniker, reminding him that no such party exists:

I’d like to begin by saying to my colleague from Texas that there isn’t a single member on this side of the aisle that belongs to the “Democrat Party.” We belong to the Democratic Party. So the party you were referring to doesn’t even exist. And I would just appreciate the courtesy when you’re referring to our party, if you’re referring to the Democratic Party, to refer to it as such.

When they say the "Democrat Party" it is absolutely offensive and childish. We don't run around insulting them in such a childish manner. When they do this they reinforce the idea that Limbaugh is the leader of their party, that they are not properly educated, and that they are complete morons. Can they please move on from childish nonsense like this and get to the business of the people?

Cheney - the manipulative-scheming child. Bush the imp with aressted development and spoiled - insulting and out of control. Limbaugh Hannity. the bullies and exaggerators. Millions of them are the silent complicit cheerleading-enablers.

And that's a very good way of putting it. Debate about policies. Disagree about solutions. That is fair game. But these people are just plain pricks.

as "Gentlelady" and "Gentleman" they are certainly not supposed to be coupling that courtesy with an intentional insult as to a party name.

in a childish attempt to one up them. I think calling them out is certainly more adult.

Barney Frank referred to one of them (don't remember who--they're so singularly devoid of personality except in their methods of spewing hatred) as "republicanistical," (or republicanist).

I've begun referring to them as republicanistas.

It just has a nice biblical ring to it.

The term "Democrat Party" has been in the standard Repub talking points for many years now. Old mushmouth Haley Barbour, now Governor of Mississippi, was one of the early adopters during the Clinton Administration.

They even ran an ad, in Florida as I recall, putting the last three letters RAT in big and bold letters.

I guess they think saying "Democrat Party" is cute, but it merely makes them appear illiterate.

Hey Barney, welcome to DU. The use of that slur BTW, goes back to jumpin Joe MacCarthy.

-Hoot

disgraced drunken Senator Joseph McCarthy. He contended there was nothing democratic about the Democratic Party so his attempt at derisive political name calling was to use the term Democrat Party. It fell out of fashion for a while but regained popularity among the knuckle dragging cretins in the past 15 years, making a comeback during the Clinton presidency.

that showed an early, early TV film (b/w, all fuzzy) of prescott * on a Sunday morning news show calling our party 'democrat party'. It is on youtube. I'll see if I saved it.

Found it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8pFS0P8i38

at around 3:35

The arrogant gene must be in the * chain - whew!

biggest soapbox for coordinated UNCONTESTED repetition from 1000 radio stations

they made it acceptable through loud repetition, something TV and print could not have done. like torture, attacking iraq, and so many other republican wonders.

limbaugh is just the tip of the talk radio iceberg and it needs to be melted.

Chris Matthews a few days ago. But worse. Issa used same 'singular" phrase as opposed to "possessive" form ( I believe thats correct discription). Nonetheless, this appears to be a trend of the party of greed lately due to their getting their assess kicked in November. Matthews really gave Issa the third degree with Rep Frank of MA. enjoying every minute of it--who was on the show.

I love it.

LOL

We are going to have 65 Senators after the 2010 election.

When the Republicans get their heads handed to them in the 2012 elections, the party will pass into the nether regions and will be replaced.

Yeah! Yeah Marcy!!

one of the callers told the Repub to call the Democratic Party by its correct name, and that to avoid doing so was childish. The Pubbie actually looked a bit embarrassed.

People who do this need to be called out for it. It may be a minor thing, but I believe most of the time it's intentional, and it's meant to be demeaning and insulting to Democrats.

The media does this a lot as well, and when I hear them do it I try to write the network and complain. I say the same thing, "There is no such thing as the Democrat Party, just like there is no Republic Party."

statement in a way similar to what Rep. Kaptur said, ala "There is no one here who is a member of the Democrat Party, so I do not take anything you said as a serious or legitimate comment."

People who think that this is not important do not realize the power that language does have in shaping communications and relationships.

I say, use the rethug ignorance and snarkiness as weapon against them.

For saying the exact same thing. It is a widespread epidemic of idiocy.

I am so sick of childish behavior from right-wing jerks. That is not what we need now.

I dont' give media mouthpieces any credit when it's easy. It was no less a deliberate attempt at a slur when * was in office. Now, if Tweety never had the chance during those years to correct some trogdylite R, I'll happily give him credit now. (I don't watch, and rely on Media Matters, FAIR, and posters here to keep me up with what the MSM is up to)

I remember him taking Ron Christie to task for it, and another person I can't remember who.

when he uses it.

... just for the sake of accuracy.

it's ALWAYS DEMOCRATIC congress, or "Democratic-controlled" congress - you CAN'T interchange the two terms.

It's DEMEANING and INSULTING and INCORRECT GRAMMER...

But since you mention it, is "Democratic-controlled congress" really correct grammar? I don't think so. That would mean a congress controlled by "Democratics". Are you a Democratic? ;-)

He is as annoying as those car alarms he sells.

...in fact, I sent Issa an email that night thanking him for his apology and honesty (yes, I used that term to refer to a Republic!), but since I don't live in his district I got a robo-response saying that they can't reply to out of district emails.

So, unfortunately he probably will never see it.

Let's see if he ever uses that term again, that will indicate his sincerity.

I hope not. That stuff is Really hurting them at the moment.

Rush For President!

because an individual member of the Republican party is known as a Republican,

whereas an individual member of the Democratic party is NOT known as a Democratic.

The word Democrat refers to a member of the Democratic party, whereas the word Republic does not refer to a member of the Republican party.

To put it another way, you could say that we belong to a party of Democrats, whereas they do not belong to a party of Republics.

And so, if we were a party of Sheep (some may in fact agree with that statement), someone from the (Wolf?) party could get away with 'inadvertently' referring to us as the "Sheep Party" instead of the "Sheepish Party".

;-)

I say screw it, don't rise to the bait because as we all know, that's the sure way to get a bully to continue tormenting you.

it later.

I hope it starts a trend within Congress and on C-span - to speak up and call them on it.

is known as a Republican"

Actually an individual member of the republican party is known as a @#$%, rather than a @#$%an.

THEY know full well WHY they do it.

Are party just happens to have more evolved adjectives to define itself.

If WE decide to change it - that's one thing. We're not, and the REPUKES should respect us.

and grammatically incorrect.
Democrat is a noun. Members of the Democratic Party are Democrats. Using the word democrat as an adjective to modify another noun, party, is incorrect. Did anyone expect something different from a political party that defiles education? Their deliberate abuse of language gives them plausible deniability so as to not be nailed down with their lies. For eight years we heard a president who couldn't complete a sentence. His lexicon ran the gamut from Esperanto to Tralfamadorian to several tongues on Remulak.

For the record- I've been referring to 'them' as the "Republic Party" for some weeks now. I wonder if she reads this board?....

Could be pretty appropriate, when you think about it.

Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Publicani

"In antiquity, publicans (Latin publicanus (singular); publicani (plural)) were public contractors, in which role they often supplied the Roman legions and military, managed the collection of port duties, and oversaw public building projects. In addition, they served as tax collectors for the Republic (and later the Roman Empire), bidding on contracts (from the Senate in Rome) for the collection of various types of taxes. Importantly, this role as tax collectors was not emphasized until late into the history of the Republic (c. 1st century BC). The publicans were usually of the class of equites.

At the height of the Republic's era of provincial expansion (roughly the first and second centuries BC until the end of the Republic) the Roman tax farming system was very profitable for the publicani. The right to collect taxes for a particular region would be auctioned every few years for a value that (in theory) approximated the tax available for collection in that region. The payment to Rome was treated as a loan and the publicani would receive interest on their payment at the end of the collection period. In addition, any excess (over their bid) tax collected would be pure profit for the publicani. The principal risk to the publicani was that the tax collected would be less than the sum bid.

By New Testament times, publicans were seen chiefly as tax collectors by provincial peoples. It is in this sense that the term is used in Jesus' parable of the Pharisee and the Publican. However, their role as public contractors, especially as regards building projects, was still significant.

With the rise of a much larger Imperial bureaucracy, this task of the publicans, as well as their overall importance, declined precipitously. Evidence for the existence of publicans extends as far back as the 3rd century BC, although it is generally assumed that they existed at still earlier times in Roman history. Knowledge of a tentative terminus post quem is taken from the histories of the 1st century AD Imperial historian Livy."

they really hate when people use that slogan back at them... lol

as in "Hey, you fascist, get a job!"

:evilgrin:

even Chris Matthews said the same thing to Rep Issa about a week ago when he was on. Just shows you what jerks the republicans are.

til they get it. hell, call them whigs.

Know-nothings.

RETHUGLICANS! Really pisses them off, but then again, who the hell cares what they think.

As much as we know how stupid the GOP calling it "the Democrat Party" is, it is counterproductive to call them out on it. It is EXACTLY the same thing as when we were in school and some big idiot Neanderthal would call one of the smart kid named "Brian" "Cryin'." It was stupid and juvenile then and it stupid and juvenile now. The only problem is pointing it out to the bully is only guaranTEED to make him do it more. Republican's and conservatives who engage in the "democrat party" meme are only going to continue to use it. They can't help it: their nature is to be bullying, stupid, and juvenile.

As infuriating as it can be, the best bet is to just not react. Once they stop getting the reaction they are looking for they will move on to some no doubt equally stupid name calling.

And no one has called them on it in all of that time....and their snarky little meme only caught on more and more to the point where the media was repeating it. That's how their bullshit works....they COUNT on everyone being afraid to call them on it.

So no, your method did not work.

I say call 'em on it and tell them that if they refuse to treat their colleagues with respect, they can expect no seat at the table.

THAT's how you deal with bullies. You punch them dead in the face and tell them to sit down and shut the fuck up or they'll get it again.

I've dealt with plenty of them in my day. I had buck teeth, head-gear, and a mean right hook when cornered.

If we don't call them out, we look weak and they'll keep doing it. When Matthews called out Issa, he made Izza look stupid, like they don't even know the
English language. Issa looked befuddled for being called out, and agreed that "democrat" was a wrong use of the language. I say we push their nose in their own stupidity.

Edited cause my computer is a terrible speller.

This isn't a bully/bullied situation. No Democrat is afraid Republickers are going to punch them if they stand up to them.

It is childish. It is stupid and juvenile.

If your co-worker insists on calling you 'dumbass' do you just sit there and take it? No, not unless your an absolute wimp. You tell them to knock it off and if they persist you take actions. You humiliate them into stopping it by calling them out publicly. Or you threaten to go to personnel and report them. Cause guess what? If you don't pretty soon everyone in the office is going to be calling you 'dumbass', since you obviously don't object.

This ain't grade school and it ain't bullies. It's work and your co-workers can't show you respect then they need to be forced to do so. And if they refuse, then new rules need to be passed to enforce common courtesy.

What "actions"?
"Forced to do so" exactly how? That matters.

As I said you start by asking politely for them to stop. If they don't stop, you attempt to shame them into behaving by pointing it out what they are doing and calling them childish and/or incapable of learning, if they insist they are doing it accidentally. If that still doesn't work you pass a rule stating that deliberate and/or continual use of mispronunciation of a person's or party's name is considering a violation of Congressional ethics, which will be referred to the ethics committee for possible censure or expulsion.

And frankly, if you can't get that rule passed you resort to calling the GOP's leader Republicker Boner.

Is it really too much to ask for basic courtesy and respect from our politicians?

I KNOW it isn't high school, it's called an analogy.

The American people are "personnel," and "the boss." The American people were WELL aware of the stupid bullying and childish behavior for all of that time. There has never been any "punishment" for the stupidity and idiocy of these dick-heads. The people of this country just saw this meme as just so much towel snapping. Like high school, when the obnoxious bully was still throwing touchdowns and hitting homeruns(i.e., the stock market looked good, and the pork was rolling into the districts), people just let it slide. But now the people know they were cheating all the time AND the theft is so obvious that it is unavoidable by all but he most delusional sycophantic hangers on. This behavior will not be glossed over so easily any more, so I say let them keep doing it. Let them follow their natures. How does it hurt you or me REALLY?

And btw, I have heard plenty of people "calling out" this behavior for all this time and nothing has changed. I just think it is a fight you don't need to win. Stupid, juvenile assholes will always be the stupid, juvenile assholes they are. Snakes are snakes. These particular snakes kept getting re-elected no matter what snakes they showed themselves to be. Why waste the energy and time to point out to the people that elect them year after year that they are snakes? There constituents know they are snakes, and have shown that hey are coming to the conclusion that MAYBE snakes aren't the best creatures to send to congress.

From a pure political strategy point of view, the worse republicans behave the more they show themselves to be the stupid juvenile assholes they are, the less and less support they will have for their bullshit. People finally understand just how destructive their policy positions are, it can only help that all those people who kept voting for them because they "liked" them, thought they were "regular guys they'd like to have a beer with," now see that the veneer is cracked beyond repair and all these nasty little digs don't look like just "havin' fun." They just look like the kind of things stupid, juvenile assholes say. The times have changed. I for one wouldn't mind if the republicans in congress kept going further "right" and kept acting like dicks. They are much more likely to suffer even more losses, if they don't adopt a veneer of civility. I am happy to let them say "Democrat Party," as long as they like. It hurts them more than it helps.




Edited for grammar and spelling.

Allowing people to get away with disrespecting you is what's counterproductive. If we don't call them on it we look like we're too cowed to even stand up for ourselves.

Standing up to the bully is (usually) the best thing. If one person stands up, others who are bullied will feel empowered to stand up as well and, soon enough, the bully loses his power because he is revealed for what he truly is; a coward who can only pick on the weak and willing because he, himself, is weak.

Conversely, if the bully is allowed to continue to bully whomever he pleases, it does not simply empower the bully, it teaches others that if they also become bullies, they can get their way, too.

Usually, the best way to stand up to a bully is to point out his own short-comings, which diminishes his power and standing over others. In this instance, pointing out how childish and immature the Republicans are by resorting so such juvenile antics puts the onus on them to either demonstrate that they can grow up by being minimally respectful to the other parties or continue to demonstrate to those who want real leadership that they are not mature enough to handle any responsibility.

Which way do you think the Republicans will go?

WE will make them stop it, mark my words.

It is VERY "productive"...

It doesn't work on the playground and doesn't work in life.

Fortunately, most "experts" have stopped giving that bit of playground advice. It is important to stand up to a bully -- but that doesn't mean becoming one yourself.

I am glad that this time a Democratic woman spoke up loud and clear.

Lesson: The best defense is a strong...you know.

It's about fucking time. K&R.

Rushpublicans.

n/t

"Not on my time you stupid sack of shit."


Ok so I added the stupid sack of shit.

and they probably also wear flag pins (or used to when they ran the US).

:dunce: It is both foolish and suicidal to allow governance by monolingual, knuckle walking troglodytes who can't even speak their own language properly and who don't know the difference between Democratic Party (the proper noun) and democrat party (the adjectival phrase), which means something like: I went to a democrat party where everyone was getting liberally naked in the hot tub and drinking copious quantities of beer while liberally and progressively toking doobies; which, by the way, explains why there may be typos, spelling, capitalization, punctuation, usage, overly long sentences or other errors of mechanics and style in this missive. But, by god, at least I wasn't straight and sober and pontificating in the Congress of the united States while I did it! What excuse does Rep. Jeb Hensarling (R-Illiterate) have?

SHUT THE FREAK UP!!!! To the NO Party.

n/t

Hurray! Stop calling our party by that made up name.

the GOP fascists are, and how they take their cues from their party leader, Rush Limbaugh, who coined the "Democrat Party" thing. And PS: FUCK THE GRAND OLD PECKERHEADS !!

"not on my time!"

And, boy, am I embarrassed to have caused all this trouble. :blush: My party (of which I am the only member), is often confused with "Democratic" party. We are a very different sort of party, however. First off, our emblem is the sea otter, not the donkey. Second, we don't have "ic" after our name. Third, we haven't any candidates, government officials or representatives, just one lonely voter. But now that Jeb has recognized our existence, I have hopes that we will finally get our time in the spotlight and on the news. Can I get a big, sea otter cheer for the Democrat party?

Thank you Ms. Kaptur

and NOBODY ever called that fuckface out on it, and it was DISGUSTING to see ALL the texASS repukes do it...

I will never stop referring to them as REPUKES until such time as THEY STOP DOING IT!!!

This is GREAT to see!!!

Keep it up!!!

Rate it up on YouTube

As the GOP gets boiled down to an even smaller and more deranged base -- and they seem to be in a vicious circle that way -- it would not suprise me if Republican congressmen and senators started referring to Democrats as "Rats" or "demonRATS" or whatever other terms they use over at Mr. Robinson's Neighborhood. They are completely unhinged, and aim to purge as a hated RINO any leader who acts like an adult. They may even start spontaneously combusting; don't stand near.

from Media Matters in 2006:

In recent months, media figures, including news reporters at CNN, The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal, the Chicago Tribune, and the Associated Press echoed Republicans by employing the word "Democrat" as an adjective to describe things or people of, or relating to, the Democratic Party -- including referring to the "Democrat" Party itself, even though that is not the party's name. The ungrammatical conversion of the noun "Democrat" to an adjective was the brainchild of Republican partisans, presumably an attempt to deny the opposing party the claim to being "democratic" -- or in the words of New Yorker magazine senior editor Hendrik Hertzberg, "to deny the enemy the positive connotations of its chosen appellation." In the early 1990s, apparently due largely to the urging of then-House Speaker Newt Gingrich (R-GA) and Republican pollster Frank Luntz, the use of the word "Democrat" as an adjective became near-universal among Republicans.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200608160005

Similarly, Bush gave people derogatory nicknames rather than call them by their proper names. This diminishes the recipient by essentially saying, "You are so insignificant I don't even think it's worth learning your name."

There is no earthly reason to let this "Democrat party" crap slide. In this case, silence implies consent. I recall a middle school student being teased with a nickname that was a play on his real name. He calmly, but forcefully corrected his classmates, and after awhile, it got old and the other kids called him by his proper name. Marcy did it exactly right by phrasing it, "And I would just appreciate the courtesy...." She made the guy look like a bumbleheaded cyclops and put him (and all the ohers) on notice. I think fewer and fewer Republicans will take the risk of a cheap shot and wade into that bottomless swamp.

I love it.:bounce:

...of this 'tit-for-tat' argument, and the response I hear from Repugs (that's what I like to call 'em) is that 'at least we have Republicans in the Republican Party, you don't hear about any Democratics in the Democratic Party'...see?

Of course it gets under our skin because that's just what they like to do...and we let 'em. The best way to 'get under the skin' of the Repugnant Party is to continue to make them irrelevant and an increasingly smaller minority political party through solid thinking and positive action.

or a surrogate, proudly said the KKK could have written the 2000{I think} Republican platform.

The morning news reader on our local NPR station has taken to talking about the 'Democrat controlled state legislature" Every time I hear this I call to complain. I guess the next step is to contact station management

Do it again and again and each and every time they say it!!!!!

Chris Mathews did it to Darryl Issa last week on "Hardball". That this was done during a House hearing is even better! When are these children going to LEARN? Republicans have been using that disparaging term, popularized by the most disgraced Senator in our history, Joseph McCarthy.

Maybe we should start referring to them as the "McCarthy Party"??

....I just LOVED the way she ended when asked to yield, "Not on my time, I think the gentleman heard the message"

It is not petty, it is a matter of respect. What a treasure for our party Congresswoman Kaptur is.

My daughter, who is 18 and was thrilled to cast her first presidential vote for Obama, but is not so much for the day-to-day nitty gritty of politics, was passing by when I was playing this video. She was pumping her fist in the air and was really pleased to hear one of the great women in the Democratic party demanding the respect WE ARE DUE.