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Annces Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-24-09 11:39 AM
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Seal Hunt in Canada in Progress, Humane society coverage
 
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more info

http://www.hsus.org/protectseals.html


Boycott Canadian Seafood, Reb Lobster.
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shireen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-24-09 11:53 AM
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1. why?
what is their justification for killing seals? Is it population control?

I hate that ... there must be more humane ways to control a population of animals.

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Annces Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-24-09 12:11 PM
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2. They sell the coats to fashion industry
But mostly it is just a way to give employment to the fisherman of Newfoundland. The market is drying up for seal skins. There is a ban in place in many countries on seal skins, and will be one in Europe by next year. It is subsidized. The whole thing is really insane. The seals are killed for no reason other than incompetent government and a depressed, neglected part of Canada in Newfoundland.

There are lies about the seals eating the cod, but they don't.
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iamthebandfanman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-24-09 12:19 PM
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3. just makes ya wanna get ur club
Edited on Tue Mar-24-09 12:19 PM by iamthebandfanman
and take a trip to canada for a lil people skin huntin'.

i hear its warm and makes a great coat.

fashionable too.
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polly7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-24-09 12:36 PM
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4. Really, come up to kill Canadians because of a practice that's gone on for a century,
to feed families and provide income where there was none? I could never hurt a seal this way, but then I could never work in a beef, or pig, or chicken slaughter factory either where millions are killed a day. I've been to them, and seen the pigs rolling down the ceiling to floor chutes still moving after their skin has been boiled off .... it's all disgusting. Yet there is no outcry. Because it happens in one certain period of time per year for these hunters in Canada and Northern European countries, of course it's the largest mass killing ..... let's not forget though the animals that die daily everywhere around the world in horrific circumstances.

Roughly 6,000 fishermen, mostly Newfoundlanders, but some are from Quebec and the Maritimes, take slightly more than 300,000 harp seals annually. The fishermen share more than $16 million from the hunt at a critical time of year when there's little in the way of fishing income to be had. The seals are harvested for their pelts and their fat, for a range of products, mostly for clothing and for Omega-3 vitamins.
The killing is as about as clean as anything you're likely to find in an abattoir. Seals don't spend their lives cooped up in paddocks or feedlots. They live free, and in all but the rarest cases, the ones that die at the hands of a swiler (a sealer) die instantly. The hakapik (a spiked club) is an effective instrument.
Even so, most seals are first shot with rifles. The killing of nursing whitecoats was banned 20 years ago.
http://thetyee.ca/Views/2007/03/07/SealHunt/

Mary Simon also noted that Inuit have a constitutional right to hunt seals, by virtue of the fact that Inuit have signed five comprehensive land claim agreements between 1975 and 2006. “Seal hunting is an intrinsic part of our way of life,” said Mary Simon. “It provides food, clothing, cultural and economic sustenance, and commercial interests. Selling pelts is a by-product of our subsistence hunt. We have no intention of stopping our traditional seal hunting practices.”
http://www.itk.ca/media-centre/media-releases/inuit-deliver-message-seal-hunting-practices-european-parliament-media-a
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iamthebandfanman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-24-09 12:41 PM
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5. if it was done purely for the sake of food
Edited on Tue Mar-24-09 12:41 PM by iamthebandfanman
id be less against it.

i dont think anything should be killed for fashion, sorry.

nothing you say could change that stance either.

id rather people have to move from their native lands. its debatable that the seals were there first after all.
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polly7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-24-09 12:45 PM
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6. Are cattle killed purely for the sake of food? Sheep?
Do you wear leather shoes, wool sweaters?

I don't have a stance, other than it's hypocritical to talk about skinning some Canadians for a practice that has been the only form of income for many for centuries and does not waste one bit of those seals. I don't agree native people should have to move. Their lives and livlihoods are just as meaningful as anyone's and they play a large part in our civilization. I hope you protest the daily mass slaughter of every animal that isn't 100% used for food.
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iamthebandfanman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-24-09 12:52 PM
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9. sheeps arent killed for wool.
Edited on Tue Mar-24-09 12:52 PM by iamthebandfanman
and no, i hate leather and would never wear it.
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Annces Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-24-09 12:45 PM
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7. The Canadian taxpayers pay for this hunt
This is subsidized. There is no 16 million made by the fishermen. And there is no market. And these are wild animals, not domestic, though I question whether pigs die painful deaths as you say, because the Humane society would be all over that, as they were with the debilitated cows being mistreated.

The hakapik is barbaric. It does not kill right away. The fisherman are in a rush to get the skins and skin them alive.
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polly7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-24-09 12:50 PM
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8. Oh sure pigs dies horrible deaths, I saw it.
We were taken on a tour of a meat-packing plant with our 4-H Beef club. We were nearly all sick when we left. You can question it all you like though.

Animals are animals, but these ones at least happen to get to live free for most of the year, unlike 'domesticated' (however that makes them more deserving I'll never understand. All animals were wild at one time. We humans decided which we could justify penning up to eat, and wear, and fight, and race .... otherwise they'd still be wild too.

The hakapik has been proven to kill the quickest according to what I've read. As I said, I don't like it either and could never kill an animal but I certainly won't pretend the ways the rest of the animals in the world are brutalized, penned into places they can't even move ..... is any better.
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Annces Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-24-09 12:53 PM
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10. So if pigs are killed and suffer, then it is okay to kill the seals


They are separate. People just bring up domestic animals to stop any sympathy for the seals. And the seals do not live most of their lives wild. The ones that are killed are just several weeks old and cannot swim.
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polly7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-24-09 01:03 PM
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11. Why are you putting words into my mouth? I have sympathy for every animal.
I didn't say it was 'okay', so you can stop making shit up at any time. Because you call animals locked up their whole lives, denied exercise, sunlight -'domesticated' (domesticated like how ..... you pet them, take em out for walks, they guard your home - domesticated??? ..... bull. They're trapped wild animals). it's ok to kill them by whichever brutal way and for whatever reason ...... veal, lamb?? No, domesticated is just a word to stop sympathy for the millions we humans have decided we like to eat, skin, export their organs. Yes, it's barbaric, but so is it all. Get it all stopped, every meat factory in NA, because they're all horrific.
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Annces Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-24-09 01:07 PM
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12. Then why do you bring up the pigs when the issue here is the seals


Why not just discuss the seals?
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polly7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-24-09 01:17 PM
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13. Why don't you ask that of the other poster too?
Not that I mind discussing the seals, if it's done honestly.

For one, baby seals are not killed, that was banned in 1982. Sealing has gone on for centuries as a necessity by many in northern parts of Canada to feed, clothe and provide a living where there was none other. Yes, they're adorable, but so is every other animal and I wish it could all be stopped. Oops, I veered. What else would you like to discuss about them?
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