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mystieus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 04:01 PM
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Pelosi Keeps Public Healthcare on Table
 
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House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is confident that the House will pass a major healthcare reform bill with a public insurance option despite opposition from House Republicans.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 04:05 PM
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1. If she pulls this off, I'll take back EVERYTHING I said about her
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bkkyosemite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 04:38 PM
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3. The insurance companies need to be out of the mix completely.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 04:40 PM
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4. You and I know that, but you and I know that won't happen either
If we can get a public plan, I'll call that a victory
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bkkyosemite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 05:37 PM
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6. Yes you are right! But if we get a public option that is worth anything that is competitive then we
need a grass roots charge to get people to leave their insurance company med insurance and go to the public option. But alas I am sure that is what the insurance companies are going to make sure does not happen. A good public option will never be if they get their way. Single Payer is the only way to make sure we all get coverage that is not based on what profits an insurance company can make off of our health.
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John K Donating Member (59 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 08:36 PM
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11. We don't need to eliminate private companies.
Their success will depend on serving customers' (patients') needs. The USPS has not eliminated private mail delivery and has to live with the competition. We don't need to eliminate private insurance, we have to break the oligopoly. I have worked for several industries that are oligopolies that only mimic competition. They agree not to compete in certain territories or markets and this allows them to excessively charge the customer.

I think that this will force the private insurance companies to become inventive and to find ways to reduce their costs to remain competitive. We will all win in that case. If they can't do it, then they deserve to go out of business.
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GreenTea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 04:25 PM
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2. There is no other issue, it should be everyones # 1 priority to get it done for themselves & others!
Edited on Thu Jun-11-09 04:29 PM by GreenTea
At the very least there MUST BE A PUBLIC OPTION INSTEAD OF ONLY THE FUCKING INSURANCE COMPANIES!

THE REPUBLICANS WANT TO HOLD OUT UNTIL 2010 AND GAIN SOME SEATS SO THEY CAN DESTROY UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE AS THEY DID WITH TRUMAN, CARTER, CLINTON AND NOW OBAMA....REPUBLICANS ARE OWNED BY THE INSURANCE COMPANIES, THEY ARE PAID MILLIONS TO KEEP IT PRIVATIZED!
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 04:55 PM
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5. Why am I so sure this will never happen
that even some Orwellian plan that sounds like a public option, if it passes will be so convoluted, with so many if's and buts it will be meaningless and will not even resemble the true meaning of a public option.
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LiberalLovinLug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 06:00 PM
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7. But what kind of "public" option?
She is playing her usual patsy self. She sets the options for health care as 1. The same Insurance Company domination we have now, or 2. A watered down, not single payer option that will take all the high risk clients on, allowing the Insurance Companies to take the cream of healthy well paid Americans. Then after a few years the Government plan will HAVE to increase premiums to cover those high risk cases, and all the ones that were denied treatment by the private IC, until the government plan is just as high priced, or higher than, the private ones. And the next Repuke administration will kill the public plan in the name of fiscal prudence....and be lauded for it.

The only way to have an affordable universal health care system is single payer, Government run, but which could include contracting out some private clinics and services. And cut the private Insurance Companies out completely. Unless that happens it is doomed to eventual failure. But no one, including Obama, has the balls to take on the Insurance industry. Its all very sad because this is the moment in history that American had the best chance to join the rest of the civilized world and have their own truly affordably sustainable public option.

I think I am more disgusted with Nancy and Harry than those on the right because they seem to be playing the good cop, with a wink to the IC, (while the Repukes play the bad cop), in working to soothe the American worker into accepting this half ass attempt at health care reform.
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bkkyosemite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 06:13 PM
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8. I agree and you said it so well.
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 06:42 PM
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10. +1 - Why astounds me is that many peope are willing to fight
for a public option without knowing the details and the cost comparisons with SPHC.

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John K Donating Member (59 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 08:40 PM
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12. Its not a zero-sum game
Unfortunately, we perceive that there is an all or nothing option in these deals. No other country has eliminated private medical treatment even with a single payer system. We need to get rid of things like pre-existing condition restrictions and that will force change in the system. Once insurance companies find that their margins are being squeezed, then they will look more favorably on people who have claims history.
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FailureToCommunicate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 06:38 PM
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9. Good for her. Wouldn't want heath care down under the table with "impeachment"...
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