People Bring Assault Weapons/Pistols To Obama Event

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From CNN: Multiple People Carry Assault Weapons/Pistol To President Obama's VFW Event In Phoenix, Arizona - 08/17/09

a loaded gun to a presidential event?
WTF?

They wouldn't even let us take in umbrellas, even the tiny fold up kind. THey let GUNS near him?

Some goobers are doing open carry of pistols and rifles for the media in the vicinity of Obama events. The hand wringers here and elsewhere are trying to use this but its a FAIL. The pros in the protection business (Secret Service) clearly do not consider the goobers a threat or they would have been removed.

I worked a catering job years ago where President Clinton was appearing and the Secret Service searched us like 15 times in the course of a couple hours. How is this possibly acceptable? I know they have an open carry law in AZ (I've joked about it being the wild wild west there for years because of that law) but, here in MN (where we have a concealed carry law provided you have a cc permit), it's the venue's prerogative to post a sign stating in no uncertain terms that guns are banned on their premises. Why can't something like that be enacted at these events where the President is appearing? This is starting to get ridiculous and I can't escape the sinking feeling that someone's going to be seriously injured or killed before anything is done about this. Scary stuff though!

Go Vikes!

with this guy in their scope. It's the guy hiding the gun you really have to worry about.
These people are just daring the Obama admin to screw with their second amendment rights.

to an Obama Rally. I do it because "I can" doesn't cut it. The Nation of Islam uniformed guy in the clip was obviously with the Pro Obama side looking at the signs around him and the "yes we can" chants (news anchors not to observant). This was a strange one, i mean WTF was he doing with a fuckin assault rifle at an event where he supports the president besides being an attention whore and hoping to get on the news? I think I answered my own question.

It is entirely possible that this black man with glasses was saying to the rw and anti-Obama people "We have guns also and if anything happens to my president.....". Not to long ago someone here on DU posted a message from the freepers at said "revolution will not take long because them liberals do not like guns". This may be his answer to them. I know my SIL just smiled at me when I told him about it.

Having posted this I do think this is very dangerous. The more guns around in a situation that involves anger on either side the more chance there is for fatal violence. None of us want that.

Its the most popular rifle type sold today in the US and is used extensively in competition

I'm so fucking sick of these NRA shit heads who don't have enough brain power to know when to leave their fucking guns at home. :mad:

Nation of Islam, is there a more regressive group in this US?

I'll tell you exactly where this is leading...

Pretty soon there'll be 100 people standing around with firearms, too many for the Secret Service & police to monitor. Then, all it will take is one nut to pull a gun out from under his coat and aim at the president - nobody will catch him because they're too busy watching the ones with visible weapons.

This HAS to stop now!

Everyone who brings his gun will have a little red laser dot dead center on his shirt.

On edit: If I was going to one of these events, what fun I could have with a laser pointer!

and let their paranoia take care of the rest...

Find another freaking word for shitheads who show up at Presidential appearances or at Town Halls on Healthcare Reform for the shitheads and underbelly of society brandishing weapons! Stop referring to them as Gentleman! It tells me news people and spokespersons for various organizations who use the term "Gentleman" are unresearched, not well read, and never rode in a police car. It drives me up a wall to hear the term gentleman when they're shitheads. Find another name, call 'em suspects, call them persons under police surveillance, call them terrorists, or whatever else you want to call them but stop the insanity--they're not "Gentlemen!" I've even seen police officers speaking for their police departments referring to a god damned felon as, "the gentleman was arrested booked and denied bail", "shots were fired, police pursued the fleeing gentleman through the streets of the city, " Call them what they are, dirtbags, wastes of human flesh, felons, thieves, criminal suspects, get real, get with the program.

If the CNN anchor said "the black guy with the gun" most DUers would complain that he was being racist.

But in my opinion - it should be against the law to bring a lethal weapon to a public event.

This is why there has to be some kind of legislation that will prevent people bringing loaded firearms and other lethal weapons to public events and political events. It is an imperative of public safety and national security (protecting the President).

You would be arrested.
The Secret Serrvice is doing a shity job of protecting this president.
Arrest these assholes. They never gave a shit about our 1st amendment rights when Bush was shiting on us. I say Fuck 'um

They don't care about what message you have on your shirt as long as it does not present a threat to POTUS. The stuff that many are complaining about had nothing to do with the Secret Service or POTUS protection. Blame the Capitol Police (in the case of Cindy Shehan) or whatever local jurisdiction in which it happened

You and I have no way of knowing how effective or not they are being. They are the pros at this so if they are not removing the goobers doing open carry, it means that they believe that they are no threat to POTUS. That you find it offensive means nothing to them.

The goobers are actually hurting their cause and given that they are no risk...maybe we should use their stupidity to our advantage.

i remember a lady thrown out of bush event because of her tee shirt. if this guy with a ar15 showed up where bush was, he would have been put to the ground and arrested. just my opinion.

They would never have allowed him to get in the venue no matter what his shirt said.

Disentangle the repression of political speech from the protection of POTUS. Secret Service does not do the former and is focused on the latter. The repression came from the locals, not the POTUS protection team.

with the shirts covered then uncovered them once Bush was onstage. The SS never tolerated even a WHIFF of dissent among BushCo's hand picked audiences!

for telling dick cheney to "go fuck yourself!"

A fellow was kicked off of his flight at the airport for a t-shirt...

The point is that if we're a civilized society these pricks (with tiny pricks) who have to show off their guns to intimidate (I call them terrorists - small dick terrorists) have no place in polite or impolite society.

One of these fucks is gonna' lose it at an event and everyone will be wringing their hands saying, "oh, how could this happen?"

Just a heads up, folks...

Here in fucked up outlier bat-shit crazy fucking Arizona, they've passed a new law to the effect that if one of these fucks "feels threatened" they can legally use deadly force.

How about them fuckin' apples, sports fans?

Airlines tend to do that for all sorts of dumb reasons.

Events like the mall incident was challenging, and they drive protective details nuts. They really can't establish zones and control the scene. I asked someone I know in that business and his call was that the citizen deliberately entered the immediate area around the VP, and that is why he was stopped. Had someone literally backed into Cheney in a shopping aisle, nothing would have been done. If you substitute Biden or Gore for Chaney, what would you have wanted done?

I have run into entourage security (private cops) a few times that have tried to strong arm me. Its really fun to see them turn purple when I tell them no, unless of course he is POTUS and they are the Secret Service.

...they need their guns to protect them...

A car to back fire, a tire to explode, a balloon to pop... and bullets will be flying everywhere..
This is not a good thing.

their incredibly small penises.

Let's just jump right past Socialism and go straight to Anarchy. How can this be acceptable behavior in a day and age when you can't even board an airline without taking off your damn shoes. No one would have dreamed of taking weapon to a Bush event. I hate this trend. Very Alarming.

Here in fucked up outlier bat-shit crazy fucking Arizona, they've passed a new law to the effect that if one of these fucks "feels threatened" they can legally use deadly force against (s)he who "threatens" them.

How about them fuckin' apples, sports fans?

They can’t form a coherent sentence to support their opinion.

If they bring a sign, people laugh at their appalling spelling and grammar.

They only do violence well, and so they bring a gun because 'they can.'

destructive. People of color like myself should only lift Obama up as it lifts all of us up. The better he does, the better it is for all African Americans for now and the future. There is simply nothing to be gained if a minority opposing Barack this is our shot to establish dignity and he needs our every effort and help to be a historic president and to keep him safe. And all other folks who know their own best interest. As all African Americans can always look back to this time and say that was our guy in regards to affinity to his life experience and he did us proud, but it'll only happen if we're there for him all the way, not without criticism but definitely with the firm objective of 100 percent success.

We think this might be an Obama supporter bringing his weapon in response to the anti-Obama nut bringing a loaded gun to protest the Town Hall event in New Hampshire last week. Not saying I agree with it. But it was inevitable that someone would try this.

He is part of a group of anti-government nuts inspired by Ron Paul who posted their own video on YouTube.

Someone already posted it here on DU: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x355866

I'll never understand that logic even if they are wealthy but they're out there.

However as a mixed race person of color, I can not agree with supporting someone just based on race. Substitute white for color in your statement. Would you still find it acceptable?

They (in this case the guys on CNN) just say it's perfectly legal in Arizona and "I'm not used to seeing it".

Like it's up to unarmed civilians to adjust their attitudes and accept that other people can carry lethal weapons at public events.

But there is no way (at least - not that I can see) to protect innocent unarmed civilians, not to mention the President and his entourage, if anyone (including assorted nuts and undiagnosed maniacs) is allowed to walk around with a loaded gun and the police (not even the Secret Service) have no power to stop them or confiscate their firearm.

If you were to substitute African American or babies for lethal weapons in your statement, would it still be valid?

Secret Service can take such folks out of service, but only do it if they present a threat. A local cop could do it too. However, everyone understands that it is the goal of this idiots to get arrested. We used the same tactics in the 60s and still do. We should not do it, since it gives them more ammunition. Let the media broadcast it and mock them accordingly. A goober with a gun outside of the security zones is not something that needs to be dealt with for the security of POTUS

If the Secret Service has to extend the security perimeter, it means that nobody will be allowed to get close to the President or stand outside his Town Hall meetings. Every Presidential event will need the same security precautions as a top-level international summit meeting.

By the way I don't agree that carrying lethal weapons in a public place is a right. In most civilised countries it would be illegal. I believe in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights ...

"Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Declaration_of_Human_Rights

which rights trump others.

Presidential events already have top level security precautions. The Secret Service uses multiple security zones and anyone who would be a threat like these goobers with guns are kept at a safe distance.

Cracking down on what is a non-issue gives these goober what they want.

In most sane countries, most people would vote against candidates who supported an "open carry" law.

Its called tyranny of the majority. This is not nearly as binary as some would make it. With POTUS not in danger, this will fade soon enough