TYT: Conservative Caller - Why Should I Pay For Someones' Health?

Run time: 05:21 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SU8OQFQZC-8   Posted on YouTube: August 21, 2009 By YouTube Member: Views on YouTube: 0   Posted on DU: August 21, 2009 By DU Member: democracy1st Views on DU: 4499

 
Watch more at http://www.theyoungturks.com. Sam Seder filling in for Cenk Uygur today.

Great job filling in Sam!

Sam informs a conservative caller that when you live within a society all decisions made have consequences that everyone will not agree with.

That's how to tell it like it is.

It'd be a shame if people missed it.

PS---Seder had an interesting conversation with Jane Hamsher about healthcare: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x357316

He covered all the bases.

:thumbsup:

SAM SEDER rocks!!!

I just wish he was getting airtime EVERY SINGLE DAY. He's brilliant, he's funny, and he can cut to the heart of serious issues and explain things in a way that makes sense. His political commentary is top-notch!

SERIOUSLY!

I really hope he gets something going soon.

I covered the same topics on my Monday show. Great minds...

I've been over at AARP's website, what a freak show in the comments section under health care!

one word of that. They seem so fearful and full of rage, they may as well have cotton in their ears.

caress their firearms.

Do you know where the picture was taken?

Colorado.

Cañon City Klan members on Ferris wheel at W. H. Forsythe's merry-go-round site at 8th and Greenwood, April 26, 1926

Members of Cañon City Klan No. 21 pose on and around the ferris wheel at the site of a carnival at 8th and Greenwood in Cañon City, Colorado. Klan members were invited by W. H. Forsythe, owner of the outfit and a klansman from Fort Collins, to don their gowns and pose for a group portrait. Houses and trees can be seen in the background. At left are a flying swings amusement ride and a ticket booth.http://ccpl.lib.co.us/History_Old/KKK/KKK%20Essay.html


Hooded white robes and flaming crosses are usually associated with the worst aspects of Southern culture. But there was a time, almost 80 years ago, when the Ku Klux Klan took over the Republican Party and dominated Colorado politics.

After the general election of 1924, the governor, Clarence Morley, was a Klansman. Benjamin Stapleton, the mayor of Denver, consulted the Klan when making appointments. U.S. Senator Rice Means was elected with open Klan support. The state House of Representatives had a Klan majority. Klansmen marched and burned crosses in small towns throughout the state, from Great Plains through the mountains to the Western Slope. A city council, or the mayor's office, or the police and sheriff's departments, or the county government -- many fell under the Klan's control. http://www.csindy.com/gyrobase/Content?oid=oid%3A8563

like the wheel...I imagine the interior workings of a mind who would wear such a provocative get-up are nothing more than circular...and yet they look like a bunch of six yr olds in crazy theme birthday party costumes..and that also makes a certain amount of sense in a most horrible way. I'm sure their vanilla ice cream cones melted all over their starched outfits.

I know because I still remember being woken up in the middle of the night to see a burning cross in front of my grandfathers farmhouse.
The sad thing about it, one of the cross burners was my maternal grandfather.

was going to buy his boss's business.

I suspect.

Extremely well done nonetheless.

I can't recommend that enough! The only thing left out of that is the idea that people who need health care are not necessarily eating 12 cheeseburgers a day. Not everyone who's out of a job or in some kind of crisis got there by being lazy or because they expect the government to just kick in and take care of them.

If you're making 250K per year, you're still doing much better than someone who's taking advantage of every single government provision.

Why should people without insurance have to pay to regulate the insurance industry. Why not let the insurance companies have their way with their customers? This is exactly why I'm in favor of no reform if there's no public option. If the 50 million people who have no health insurance don't deserve service from their government than why should they pay for the services that provide nothing to them?

All good answers. The only other angle I can think of--and this is, maybe, because I have been a community health nurse--is that other people's health *does* impact his health directly. If his neighbor, or the guy who parks his car, or the kid who bags his wife's groceries comes to work sick with the flu or some other nasty disease, instead of having been treated appropriately (or vaccinated) by a doctor, then he and his family can get deadly ill.

If the person driving a truck or bus on the same road where his wife drives to work has a heart attack behind the wheel because he should have been treated for heart disease but couldn't afford the treatment--this will impact, really impact, the health of his wife when he crashes into her.

The health of all of us impacts all of us all the time. This caller cannot keep his family in a bubble where other people's health deficits won't affect "him and his."

That's how all insurance is supposed to work. When someone makes a claim, the money for the claimant comes directly out of the large fund of money that all of the insurance subscribers have paid into.

The caller is actually making an argument against ALL forms of insurance... private and government.

emergency room visits!

His PREMIUMS are already his TAXES for his healthcare!!!

If the GOVERNMENT had SINGLE PAYER healthCARE, he would pay LESS than he is currently paying in PREMIUMS!!!

His healthINSURANCE costs would be transferred to his TAXES which would be LESS than his monthly EXPENSES now!!!

dumb ignorant fucks...

They are going to ration cheeseburgers!

Sam is absolutely a phenomenal talk show host.

Why should I pay for someone else's police department? Library? Fire dept?

I hate republicans.

I mean, come on. Let 'em burn.

(sarcasm light fully on)

Maybe Seder could explain why, if goverment run healthcare is MORE efficient, is it going to cost more?

First of all, you make a false claim with no source to try and support it. Secondly, we spend more than twice as much as the next closest country per person on healthcare, but our results in some key areas are no better in some cases worse.

If you bother to respond (before you get deleted) I'll be happy to provide a source for *my* claims.

Just here trying to educate a few people. It would be typical to delete some one with a differing opinion.
We spend more per patient because we do more (medically ) per patient. Mostly due to medical malpractice and patient expectations. Take the guy in SiCKO who dislocated his shoulder in London. In the US, that guy would have got a MRI, been scheduled to see an orthopedic surgeon, and needed a rotator cuff repair. If you are satisfied with morphine and a sling, I know we can cut healhcare costs here, too.
As far as our results, one popular statistic quoted is infant death rates. You should research whether or not other countries include premature infants in their infant death rates. We do. Babies that are left to die are saved here.

First let's address this nonsense about medical malpractice being the main reason for high costs:

That brings us back to the fact that the US system is not the best in the world. But don't take my word for it, instead look at the evidence provided by the , "which represents CEOs of major companies". Last time I checked the CEOs of major companies weren't stereotyped as super-liberal, socialist or biased in favor of government, etc.



"...Americans spend $2.4 trillion a year on health care. The Business Roundtable report says Americans in 2006 spent...at least two-and-a-half times more per person than any other advanced country.

In a different twist, the report took those costs and factored benefits into the equation.

It compares statistics on life expectancy, death rates and even cholesterol readings and blood pressures. The health measures are factored together with costs into a 100-point "value" scale. That hasn't been done before, the authors said..

The results are not encouraging.

The United States is 23 points behind five leading economic competitors: Canada, Japan, Germany, the United Kingdom and France. The five nations cover all their citizens, and though their systems differ, in each country the government plays a much larger role than in the U.S.

The cost-benefit disparity is even wider — 46 points — when the U.S. is compared with emerging competitors: China, Brazil and India...".

Don't do that.

like peanut butter in my chocolate.:9

And that's all it is, your OPINION.

I don't know what Shangri-la you live in, but I have a little first-hand experience with the kind of medical treatment a person would get in the US for a rotator cuff injury. I tore mine in April. Took me two weeks to get an appointment to see my doctor, who told me, "What you have here is a torn ligament that most likely requires surgery. I'll need an MRI to confirm that, but your insurance company requires six weeks of physical therapy before I can order you the MRI."

Sure enough, six weeks of PT and $2,400 later, I STILL needed the MRI, which confirmed the doctor's initial diagnosis.

It's August. I finally get to see the surgeon next week. In the meantime, I've had four months of "morphine and a sling."

On the flip side, a male friend of mine in Canada found a lump on his chest in early Spring. He had it examined, removed, and biopsied (benign, thankfully), was diagnosed and treated all in a week's time.

Don't talk to me about patient expectations.

Thanks for the honest response and not the hate/jealous junk that the others posted.
I think that your experience is a great example of why your physician needs to be in charge of your medical treatment. Not an insurance company OR the government...like you said, just my opinion.
The fact is that I see no reason to stay in medicine if anyone (once again, insurance OR government) has any more control over how I take care of my patients.

.....republican troll gone John Galt....outta here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x357478#357803

Until you respond to the above don't bother posting any other comments. We're waiting.

..My MD made all the decisions and the bill was paid to him (or them) with my tax dollars, the government didn't make the rules on who got what kind of care. Good thing I had my second child over seas - Australia to be exact (and my first too), because I ended up with 2 OB/GYN (both top in the area, one was called in) in the room when a decision had to be made in an instant on whether my LARGE son with a HUGE head (he's thankfully grown into) seemed to get stuck during birth and they came close to having to make the call for a C-section, something I really didn't want to do unless absolutely necessary. Luckily, didn't need it.

That would have been some bill in the US - even if I only had to pay 20% of it.
cheers
Sandy

I spend my time just shredding republicans in public. Exposing conservatives for the greedy whores they truly are.

I hate wealthy conservatives. They live in a bubble of their own self importance. Me me me me and myself. They have no idea the resentment that is growing around them. If they think that they can continue to control the angry tea-bagging crowds with tired old arguments, they may soon get a surprise!

The Repukes need the "Bubba" crowd to win elections. There are not enough "country club" Repukes to do it. Hence the use of social issues like"God, guns and gays" Now they have brainwashed these fools on economic issues like healthcare to vote against their own best interests.

jealous much?

If only the public could hear this kind of exchange instead of the staged discussions at the town hall fiascoes.

seriously, that was the easiest call ever. Every one of us would have said the same thing.

No lefty talk show host couldn't hit that out of the park.

Thanks for the thread, democracy1st.:thumbsup:

but Im one of the ones that had to keep going to the ER to get attention for my bad leg...which btw as most know I lost because of misdiagnosis after misdiagnosis. NOW the bill for my LOST leg is a quarter million dollars. Not counting my continuing care for the rest of my life. My doc said long ago that IF I had insurance we could do all these tests, but since I didn't I could always go to the good ol ER....thanks doc. Thanks asshole caller. Here's a big FUCK YOU to sit on..

GREAT job Sam!!!! You are speaking for folks like ME!

Sam has done a great job this week filling in. I miss his old Air America show.

:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:

And already hes been by Craig T. Nelson.

"I've been on food stamps and welfare, did anybody help me out? No. No. "

Seriously, if they think having no government works so well, then why the hell isn't Somalia an economic power house?

society. Maybe he caused some people to stop and think before they think they are getting screwed. The only thing that matters to people like the caller is the goddamn buck, certainly not brotherly love or compassion.

Sam couldn't have said it better.