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Hiya, Bill. I was just posting this at exactly the same time, wise minds etc. This is what I was adding...

The Health Insurance Racket: Getting Rich by Denying Americans Care

CIGNA’s Edward Hanway spends his holidays in a $13 million beach house in New Jersey. Meanwhile, regular Americans are routinely denied coverage for the care they need when they need it most.

Welcome to the American health insurance industry. Instead of helping policyholders attain the health security they need for their families, big insurance companies get rich by denying coverage to patients. Now they’re sending lobbyists to Washington, DC to twist the arms of lawmakers to oppose reform of the status quo. Why? Because the status quo pays.

http://sickforprofit.com/ceos">Learn more about the glamorous lives of billionaire health insurance executives and http://sickforprofit.com/stories">tell us your story of being victimized by their greed.

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Yeah I was quick on the draw this time. :)

BraveNewFilms is great.

I would like to hear the opposition's responses to this. Maybe this is a BraveNew video we can give an amnesty to Freepers on so we can hear what exactly they don't understand about this...?

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we have the best health system in the world. Would you want a gubmint bureaucrat in between you and your doctor? The market sorts everything out. :)

I scared myself a little there.

I always wonder about the "bureaucrat" line, because obviously some insurance company bureaucrat decides whether people get treatment or even live or die all the time. And they do it so the executives can all get an extra house or two or three. It's horrible.

so no worries of any kind of bureaucrat - gov't or insurance - getting between me and doc.

So, I guess if I had a choice, I'd take a gov't bureaucrat since they aren't out for profit.

Time to start arresting the CEOs and decision makers of these companies for enabling such criminal acts. Best health care system in the world? Only a demented person could imagine such a thing.

who would file against these guys. Why not?

A hard-nosed prosecutor not afraid to go after these executive-level criminals and their corrupt organizations. There’s one federal prosecutor with such credentials but I can’t recall his name--he was in the news several months ago for a high-profile case. Another fine choice would be Sheldon Whitehouse...

A few of those, and we wouldnt ignore the dying. When I get worse, I might. I am one of the ignored. And I got my disease cuz of lying BUSH. BPA in plastics. I am a moldmaker, or was.

I initially found this site via an email I got showing your "healthcare not wealthcare" tshirts.

I run a small medical clinic in a small town in Iowa. I follow religiously the oath I agreed to take when I graduated from Med School. I am confused on where this website stands regarding healthcare. Is this website against anything and everything that makes a profit or is it this website's desire to see everyone receive quality healthcare? I run my clinic so that I make a profit. I spend a lot of money and a lot of time becoming a doctor. Just like most of you, I have bills to pay and mouths to feed. I cant afford to work for free. I dont expect you that actually have jobs to work for free either. The actions of Cigna are terrible. The fact that they earned a profit misses your argument. They operate a company that employees people. They need to make a profit or thousands would be out of work. Ok, so maybe you dont care if Cigna goes out of business but, you need to care if I do. I need to make a profit so that I can afford to run my free rural clinics on weekends. Rural farmers and the like need just as much care as anyone else. They often drop their insurance if they have a bad crop year and need the money. Most are self insured and dont get the discount a corporation gets for it's employees. I provide free vaccine and routine check ups and I run these clinics out of churches. The medication and supplies come out of my pocket. Add that expense to my student loans and you will quickly find that even with my profit I earn, I am by no means wealthy. I fully support a solution that provides healthcare to everyone. I just think you look really ignorant making this about profits. The lemonade stand my daughter runs, earns a profit. Profits are not bad guy. Greed is. Cigna is Greedy. Dont confuse the two.

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Edit to ask: Are you satisfied with the current health care system in the USA? If not, what would you change?

and what insurance companies do. You get paid for what you actually DO. Medical insurance companies get paid for what they actually don't DO. What we (the people on the left) want is to take the insurance companies OUT of the equation. Wouldn't it be easier for you to deal with only one source for payment? Wouldn't it be easier for you to be able to see patients BEFORE their illness turns serious or deadly? Wouldn't it be easier for you to give the care that your patients need without having to talk to an insurance company first, to find out what tests, drugs or treatment that they will not allow you to do? Wouldn't it be easier for you if you only had ONE type of form to fill out for payment?

Just think, you could have a flu shot day or a school vaccination day and only have ONE type of form to fill out for reimbursement instead of 20 types of forms. That would make it much easier for you, and more profitable. And, all of those rural farmers could be covered too. If everyone was covered it would make it much easier for people to seek help, without feeling like the are "welfare" cases.

Doctors in countries that have "socialized" medicine don't live in poverty. They live a very comfortable life, and their lives are less stressful, as they can put their patients first. They get to live the reason why they got into medicine in the first place.

zalinda

We're a diverse group here. We run the gamut from liberal to progressive. :)

Seriously, the founders - great guys - and moderators - great people - can point you to the website FAQ. But basically, we support the Democratic Party and its core principles.

I'll speak for myself.

1. Profit is an economic tool and can be used for good or ill. Unregulated markets lead to corporatism, not capitalism - (The Shock Doctrine).
2. First rule of health care - preventive medicine; each of us is our own first primary caregiver. Second rule of health care - it's a partnership between patient and doctor; work together. Third rule of health care - if you want a good partner, choose wisely and recognize he or she needs to be paid well; it's not easy becoming or being a physician. Fourth rule of health care - first line of support for physicians are hospitals and pharmaceuticals; they're there to help the doctor do his or her job. If they make a profit, that's lagniappe. Corollary: service first, profit second. Fifth rule of health care - insurance exists to share the risk. See the corollary to the fourth rule. A for-profit insurance company has a built-in, endemic conflict of interest, unless the owners are the insured. (Hmm, sounds like, uh, wait - oh, yeah - government run!). An executive/board cannot maximize profits for investors and maximize health care for participants simultaneously.

3. In short, health care reform must a) reduce patient cost; b) extend coverage to all; c) emphasize preventive and lifestyle choices that reduce illness (social cost); d) guarantee high quality training for physicians, doctor independence and proper compensation; e) re-orient or regulate the market so that if there's a profit, there's a proportional service that goes with it.

Welcome to DU. You're exactly the kind of individual I, and I'm sure others around here, admire. And you're living proof of what Obama - and those of us on DU - are fighting for!!!

Of course you as a doctor should make a comfortable living. Anyone who goes into business should expect to make a profit. But they should make that profit off of their work, not their ability to hold people hostage to the fear of getting sick. They shouldn't make a profit at the expense of someones life. The United States is the only industrialized country that allows a health care for profit system. Other countries consider it unethical and immoral to make a profit off of peoples health.

If cigna didn't make a huge profit, but was ran as a non-profit, they would still be able to pay their employees. You don't think they actually pay their employees with the profit do you? The profit is what is left over after all the expenses are paid. The profit is what is divided between the shareholders and the executives.

are reading the responses here because there's really nothing more I need to add to what's already been said.

you that actually have jobs???

Wow! You got us there...! A vast majority here at DU don't have jobs and would rather sponge off the backs of the corporations and get everything for free because we are, after all, lazy socialist liberals who think America owes us a living. :eyes:

Is this what you actually think of us? I'm giving you a BIG chance here, drgeorge, to see your post count go above 1.

And we're NOT talking about taking away your living... We're talking about Insurance Corporations using distribution of health care to those who need it to make a "profit" BEFORE paying Doctors and hospitals for needed procedures.

More people need to see this!

I agree, the brass at Cigna needs to be in jail for depraved indifference. Obama was wrong about one thing the other night -- health insurance company executives are bad people.

I live in a small town in S.W. Virginia. Most of my friends and neighbors are de facto Calvinists regardless of denomination (this includes Catholics). They oppose health care reform because they fear it means spending their hard earned money on entitlements for people who don't deserve them. They would rather spend stunning amounts of that money on emergency room care because that is "charity" for the undeserving rather than an entitlement. Understanding why they are this way requires, I believe, a full appreciation for the contrast between the teachings of John Calvin and those of Jesus Christ.

motherfuckers live like that at the expense of peoples' lives!!!

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Hey Ed Hanway...

FUCK YOU!

;( K&R

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