BBC now admits Al Qaeda * NEVER * existed.

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From the BBC: The Power of Nightmares documentary.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KI2Uwm3ScR0&feature=PlayList&p=5BF86B79B4D1425E&index=14

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sSpXakQ8fM&feature=PlayList&p=5BF86B79B4D1425E&index=15


GET OUT OF Afghanistan!

I just watched it 2 nights ago, can't beleive it wasn't widely distributed on the net back then, that or there was something I actually missed on the internet
From Wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Power_of_Nightmares

"The films compare the rise of the Neo-Conservative movement in the United States and the radical Islamist movement, making comparisons on their origins and claiming similarities between the two. More controversially, it argues that the threat of radical Islamism as a massive, sinister organised force of destruction, specifically in the form of al-Qaeda, is a myth perpetrated by politicians in many countries—and particularly American Neo-Conservatives—in an attempt to unite and inspire their people following the failure of earlier, more utopian ideologies."
The first part of the series explains the origin of Islamism and Neo-Conservatism. It shows Egyptian civil servant Sayyid Qutb, depicted as the founder of modern Islamist thought, visiting the U.S. to learn about the education system, but becoming disgusted with what he saw as a corruption of morals and virtues in western society through individualism. When he returns to Egypt, he is disturbed by westernisation under Gamal Abdel Nasser and becomes convinced that in order to save society it must be completely restructured along the lines of Islamic law while still using western technology. He also becomes convinced that this can only be accomplished through the use of an elite "vanguard" to lead a revolution against the established order. Qutb becomes a leader of the Muslim Brotherhood and, after being tortured in one of Nasser's jails, comes to believe that western-influenced leaders can justly be killed for the sake of removing their corruption. Qutb is executed in 1966, but he inspires the future mentor of Osama bin Laden, Ayman al-Zawahiri, to start his own secret Islamist group. Inspired by the 1979 Iranian revolution, Zawahiri and his allies assassinate Egyptian president Anwar Al Sadat, in 1981, in hopes of starting their own revolution. The revolution does not materialise, and Zawahiri comes to believe that the majority of Muslims have been corrupted by their western-inspired leaders and thus may be legitimate targets of violence if they do not join him.

At the same time in the United States, a group of disillusioned liberals, including Irving Kristol and Paul Wolfowitz, look to the political thinking of Leo Strauss after the perceived failure of President Johnson's "Great Society". They come to the conclusion that the emphasis on individual liberty was the undoing of the plan. They envisioned restructuring America by uniting the American people against a common evil, and set about creating a mythical enemy. These factions, the Neo-Conservatives, came to power under the Reagan administration, with their allies Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld, and work to unite the United States in fear of the Soviet Union. The Neo-Conservatives allege the Soviet Union is not following the terms of disarmament between the two countries, and, with the investigation of "Team B", they accumulate a case to prove this with dubious evidence and methods. President Reagan is convinced nonetheles

The whole series can be downloaded here from the Internet Archive
http://www.archive.org/details/ThePowerOfNightmares

the original summary.

Why aren't Democrats saying Al-Qaeda never existed? HHHMMMMMMMMM

The CIA had it right about the USSR crumbling way back in the 70s, but the Neo-cons more or less forces the CIA to issue their own (Neo-con) report
Also, Gorbachev asked Reagan for help setting up a government in Afghanistan before the Russians Left and he predicted a Taliban type takeover

And the hollowed-out mountain fortress of doom.

Who fucking bought this tripe?! I've never seen that, and I'm laughing so fucking hard right now...

Al-CIADA conduct their eeevaaail.

Holee sheep shit is that dumb.

What else was manufactured?

:kick: :kick:



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exist.

Paraphrasing a famous quote.

I liked his "Century of the Self" so much I bought multiple copies and gave them away. Here's a post with URL's for where you can see some of his work: http://c-cyte.blogspot.com/2009/06/new-adam-curtis-project-it-felt-like.html

understood previously. I recommend it to everyone.

:hi:

called "the power of fear"?

http://www.thedossier.ukonline.co.uk/video_september11.htm Scroll down the page just after half way to find.

That site has most of the BBC and Channel 4 documentaries from the past 10 years or so. It's contained in a subsection of VIDEOS. Hit VIDEOS to find other categories.

Unpatriotic unfair competition to the likes of Murdock. :)

or just there was no world wide organized group name Al Queda?

It goes into the history of the fundamentalist organization that perpetrated the acts of terrorism. The organization Al Queda was more a category built for convenience than it was a properly functioning terrorist group. The parties that carried out the 9-11 attacks used up almost all of their resources in carrying it out and have mostly been dealt with.

The organizations calling themselves Al Queda have as much in common as a group of video piraters have with the studio of the movie they made.

"The parties that carried out the 9-11 attacks used up almost all of their resources in carrying it out and have mostly been dealt with."

Most of the mass murderers who carried out those atrocities had previously been in Pakistan for training or had links with Pakistan.

from what I know of the Taliban/Al Qaeda US/CIA created it thru ISI-Pakistan -
funding it with hundreds of millions of dollars, even to the day of 9/11.

We used it to bait Russians into Afghanistan "in hopes of giving them a Vietnam-type experience."!!!

From what I've read of AlQaeda it does have a history going back to the Nazis, who passed it on
to CIA post-WWII.

Guess it came in handy on 9/11 -- ???

And, for those who don't know all of this yet -- here's more on it --
INCLUDING THE FACT THAT THE US WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR CREATING THE ENTIRE ISLAMIC HATRED/VIOLENCE/
JIHAD -- WE WERE PRINTING THE BOOKS WITH THOSE VILE SAYINGS, WE WERE WRITING THEM -- AND TRYING
TO SPREAD A MALICIOUS FORM OF RELIGION INTO THE ME -- FOR THE USUAL REASONS!

The info on the religous stuff is second part/in bold...



The CIA's Intervention in Afghanistan
Interview with Zbigniew Brzezinski,
President Jimmy Carter's National Security Adviser

Le Nouvel Observateur, Paris, 15-21 January 1998

Question: The former director of the CIA, Robert Gates, stated in his memoirs <"From the Shadows">, that American intelligence services began to aid the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan 6 months before the Soviet intervention. In this period you were the national security adviser to President Carter. You therefore played a role in this affair. Is that correct?

Brzezinski: Yes. According to the official version of history, CIA aid to the Mujahadeen began during 1980, that is to say, after the Soviet army invaded Afghanistan, 24 Dec 1979. But the reality, secretly guarded until now, is completely otherwise Indeed, it was July 3, 1979 that President Carter signed the first directive for secret aid to the opponents of the pro-Soviet regime in Kabul. And that very day, I wrote a note to the president in which I explained to him that in my opinion this aid was going to induce a Soviet military intervention.

Q: Despite this risk, you were an advocate of this covert action. But perhaps you yourself desired this Soviet entry into war and looked to provoke it?

B: It isn't quite that. We didn't push the Russians to intervene, but we knowingly increased the probability that they would.

Q: When the Soviets justified their intervention by asserting that they intended to fight against a secret involvement of the United States in Afghanistan, people didn't believe them. However, there was a basis of truth. You don't regret anything today?

Q: Regret what? That secret operation was an excellent idea. It had the effect of drawing the Russians into the Afghan trap and you want me to regret it? The day that the Soviets officially crossed the border, I wrote to President Carter. We now have the opportunity of giving to the USSR its Vietnam war. Indeed, for almost 10 years, Moscow had to carry on a war unsupportable by the government, a conflict that brought about the demoralization and finally the breakup of the Soviet empire.

Q: And neither do you regret having supported the Islamic fundamentalism, having given arms and advice to future terrorists?

Q: What is most important to the history of the world? The Taliban or the collapse of the Soviet empire? Some stirred-up Moslems or the liberation of Central Europe and the end of the cold war?

http://www.takeoverworld.info/brzezinski_interview_shor...

SECOND PART ---

The US spent $100's of millions shooting down Soviet helicopters yet didn't spend a penny helping Afghanis rebuild their infrastructure and institutions.

They also spent millions producing jihad preaching, fundamentalist textbooks and shipping them off to Afghanistan. These were the same text books the Western media discussed in shocked tones and told their audiences were used by fundamentalist teachers to brainwash their charges and to inculcate in young Afghanis a jihad mindset, hatred of foreigners and non-Muslims etc.


Have you heard about the Afghan Jihad schoolbook scandal?

Or perhaps I should say, "Have you heard about the Afghan Jihad schoolbook scandal that's waiting to happen?"

Because it has been almost unreported in the Western media that the US government shipped, and continues to ship, millions of Islamist textbooks into Afghanistan.

Only one English-speaking newspaper we could find has investigated this issue: the Washington Post. The story appeared March 23rd.

Washington Post investigators report that during the past twenty years the US has spent millions of dollars producing fanatical schoolbooks, which were then distributed in Afghanistan.

"The primers, which were filled with talk of jihad and featured drawings of guns, bullets, soldiers and mines, have served since then as the Afghan school system's core curriculum. Even the Taliban used the American-produced books..." -- Washington Post, 23 March 2002 (1)

According to the Post the U.S. is now "...wrestling with the unintended consequences of its successful strategy of stirring Islamic fervor to fight communism."

So the books made up the core curriculum in Afghan schools. And what were the unintended consequences? The Post reports that according to unnamed officials the schoolbooks "steeped a generation in violence."

How could this result have been unintended? Did they expect that giving fundamentalist schoolbooks to schoolchildren would make them moderate Muslims?

Nobody with normal intelligence could expect to distribute millions of violent Islamist schoolbooks without influencing school children towards violent Islamism. Therefore one would assume that the unnamed US officials who, we are told, are distressed at these "unintended consequences" must previously have been unaware of the Islamist content of the schoolbooks.

But surely someone was aware. The US government can't write, edit, print and ship millions of violent, Muslim fundamentalist primers into Afghanistan without high officials in the US government approving those primers.

http://www.tenc.net/articles/jared/jihad.htm

I was thinking of getting a reasonably priced commercial DVD, rather than straining my eyes over a low-rez version on the internet. Here's one review:

1.0 out of 5 stars Low Quality DVD, but Excellent Docmentary, April 15, 2009
By C. Marquardt
This is NOT an official BBC DVD, but appears to be a low quality MPEG4 conversion. The source is probably the Internet Archives. Don't waste your money on this DVD: simply download the same quality MPEG4 version from

http://www.archive.org/details/ThePowerOfNightmares

And, while you're at it, download Adam Curtis's other excellent documentary, "The Century of the Self." (Don't bother buying the DVD available here at Amazon, mistitled "Century of Self" - again, another MPEG4 to DVD conversion)

pnorman

believe more DUERs aren't talking about this. Thanks for the link.

Al Qaeda in Iraq an even bigger farce!

n/t