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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 11:13 AM
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Worlds First Free Energy Efficient Generator
 
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It's another perpetual motion machine.


Did you know that you could completely eliminate your power bill, by constructing a zero point magnetic power generator?

A Zero point magnetic power generator is basically a Free Energy Generator. It uses magnets, and magnetic force to induce perpetual motion. It runs by itself, indefinitely without stopping, thus creating completely free electrical energy, which can fully power your home for free. A Perpetual motion device refers to a machine that runs perpetually i.e. indefinitely, and produces a larger amount of energy than it consumes. Thus, it produces free energy indefinitely, runs by itself, without having to need a third-party device or resource to power it.

http://www.magniwork.com/?hop=marcos1985
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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 11:16 AM
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1. A sucker born every minute....
Edited on Sun Oct-11-09 11:16 AM by Statistical
Physics 101: Law of Conservation of Energy
The law of conservation of energy states that the total amount of energy in a closed system remains constant. A consequence of this law is that energy cannot be created nor destroyed. The only thing that can happen with energy in a closed system is that it can change form, for instance kinetic energy can become thermal energy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservation_of_energy

There is no free lunch (unless you trick a bunch of people who failed physics into buying into your "free energy" machine).
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 11:19 AM
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2. So a perpertual motion machine is impossible?

I was kinda hoping it could be done with magnets.
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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 11:37 AM
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9. Nope it can't be done.
Edited on Sun Oct-11-09 11:57 AM by Statistical
Every couple years someone comes up with another "vaporware" breakthrough. racks up a lot of investments and disappears.

Energy is NEVER created and NEVER destroyed it is simply converted.

Here is an example:

sunlight -> plants -> chemical energy in coal (via pressure heat) -> thermal energy (in powerplant) -> kinetic energy (via turbine) -> electrical energy (via generator attached to turbine)
A coal powerplant doesn't "make energy" is simply converts the chemical energy in coal to the electrical energy to the powergrid.

So once we accept the generator can't "make energy" we know for it to be functional it has to be converting some form of energy to electricity.

Now the inventor claims magnetic fields but magnetic fields work against you also. Let me explain by a a force most people understand better: gravity.

Say you have a weight on the top of your roof if you drop it off the roof it will fall. If you connected some sort of machinery to the weight and a generator it would "produce" (which we really know is convert) power.
The potential graviational energy -> kinetic energy -> electrical energy.

"free power right". Well no unless the weight could fall forever. Now the weight is on the ground how do you get it back on the roof? By raising it and in a perfect machine (no wear & tear, no friction, no heat) the amount of energy to raise the mass is EXACTLY equal to the amount of energy "produced" when lowering it. Net sum of energy = 0.000000000000. There is no free energy.

In reality no machine is perfect so the wear & tear, friciton, & heat will cause a net LOSS of energy (more to raise it, then you get from lowering it).

Take a look at this photo. This is a 18th century concept for the same device except using water instead of magnets...


The scam has been around for hundreds of years. Thousands of people have been suckered out of billions of dollars and nobody every has produced "free energy".
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AtheistCrusader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 12:52 PM
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16. Not with our current understanding of physics anyway.
And the tools in the OP with the big impressive black drum thing, haven't made any breakthrough in that understanding.
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clear eye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 11:19 AM
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3. And it runs a while until the magnet wears out,
which would be just about the time the warranty expires.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 11:25 AM
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5. Why are some magnets called permanent magnets??
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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 11:51 AM
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11. It means it doesn't require an electrical force.
Permanent magnet vs electromagnet. It doesn't mean they last forever.
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clear eye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 03:58 PM
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19. Just to contrast them w/ things that have to be w/i an outside magnetic field
to act like magnets, or with electromagnets that only act as magnets while a strong electric charge is running through them. A better term would be auto-magnets or self-magnets, I think. They aren't actually permanent.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 04:22 PM
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23. Thanks and btw, could you tell me what it is that keeps an electron
"spinning" around the nucleus of an atom for oh say, billions of years?? I'm a curious sort.
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clear eye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 05:14 PM
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25. Opposite charges btwn protons in nucleus & electrons
Not magnetic charges. Different sort. And it's not actually the stable set-up you see in a diagram in a high school science textbook. The same electrons don't necessarily stay w/ a particular nucleus. They sort of buzz in a cloud around the nuclei in the element or compound, tending to stay generally in same ratio of energies around each nucleus, depending on temperature and what else is in the vicinity. We've already harnessed those charges. It's called "electricity".
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 05:50 PM
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We no more truly understand electricity than we know what the man
 
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 05:50 PM
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28. We no more truly understand electricity than we know what the man
in the moon had for breakfast.
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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 05:26 PM
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26. The same electron doesn't spin around an atom for billions of years.
It is relatively easy for an electron to be striped from an atom. It happens every second in both manmade and natural events.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 05:49 PM
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27. In the human body it is referred to as oxidative stress... and I wonder
what source of energy keeps electrons "buzzing" around for billions of years without an energy source.
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clear eye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 07:53 PM
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30. There ARE energy sources. Lots of them.
The electromagnetic force between the nuclei and the electrons due to their opposite charges. And the heat and mechanical energy of all the surrounding environment and other particles they come close to. The energy gets passed around between particles constantly. As a whole, the system gradually loses energy, and at some time in the very distant future it's theorized that the universe will reach a state of entropy--no more energy, no more motion, no more time. Alternatively, its been theorized that the universe is shaped in such a way that as the energy dissipates from our perceivable universe, it is being accumulated in another connected universe gearing it up for another "big bang" in an endless sequence of back and forth. Something to do w/ the other 5 dimensions (beyond our perceivable 4) that keep showing up in theoretical physics equations. Highly unlikely we'll ever find out which.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 05:23 AM
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31. So you believe all that.... what if everything was being powered
by the vacuum? What if the source of all energy and matter is the vacuum itself? You haven't watched Nassim Haramein... you should.

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=nassim+haramein&search_type=&aq=0&oq=nassim+
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clear eye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 11:49 AM
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34. Pass. n/t
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Sirveri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 08:52 AM
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33. There is always an energy source.
Thermal energy is all around you (it's a form of kinetic energy). gravitational force is always on. Same with the strong and weak nuclear force. In addition if you had a box where there was no exchange of energy then everything would stay the same inside the box. The issue comes when you try and extract energy from inside the box, then everything slows down.
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GOTV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 01:02 PM
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35. Electrons do not really spin around their nucleus.
It's a mentally convenient but inaccurate description. There is not yet a mentally convenient and accurate description for what electrons are actually doing around the nucleus.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 11:27 AM
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6. There is no such thing as a closed system in this universe. n/t
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 11:20 AM
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4. Before you are flamed for using the term "free energy" I will add that
most sane physicists will nod their head in agreement that the energy of the vacuum is greater than ANY numbers could ever describe, something like 10 to the 92 grams per cubic centimeter... which makes the energy in one cubic centimeter of "empty space" greater than all of the mass in the observable universe.

Tapping that energy through the clever use of expanding and collapsing magnetic fields does not produce free energy, it takes some of the readily available zero point energy and brings it into a form we can use, namely torque from a mechanical shaft.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 11:31 AM
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7. Thanks.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 11:35 AM
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8. Please do listen to Tom Valone, he will give you an idea as to
why this seeming impossibility may not be.... impossible.


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5738531568036565057#
Free Energy - Zero-Point Energy Extraction from the Quantum Vacuum
1:10:32 - 3 years ago
This is Tom Valone's amazing video lecture Zero-Point Energy Extraction from the Quantum Vacuum (2004) where he gives a great overview of the various methods to extract free energy directly from the quantum vacuum to power our homes and machines. Today we face a destabilizing dependency on irreplaceable fossil fuels which are also rapidly dwindling. A real need exists for a portable source of power that can compete with fossil fuel and its energy density. A further need exists for a fuelless source of power which, by definition, does not require re-fueling. One possible source could be zero-point energy (ZPE). A major feasibility study by Valone's Integrity Research Institute placed its emphasis on the practical potential for ZPE energy conversion, especially in view of recent advances in nanotechnology, than in the theory. With primary reference to the works of Casimir, Pinto, Mead and Milonni, key principles for the proposed extraction of energy for useful work are identified and analyzed. These pri...all »

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sulphurdunn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 11:49 AM
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10. I wish
Tesla was here.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 12:21 PM
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13. Welcome to DU and I believe with the amount of people trying to
reproduce some of his work that he is here in spirit, A man out of time he was.
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Ptah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 12:44 PM
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15. Proposed Free Energy Devices -----> pseudoscience or outright fraud
Edited on Sun Oct-11-09 12:45 PM by Ptah
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-point_energy#Proposed_Free_Energy_Devices

Proposed Free Energy Devices -----> pseudoscience or constitute outright fraud

As a scientific concept, the existence of zero point energy is not controversial although the
ability to harness it is. In particular, perpetual motion machines and other power generating
devices supposedly based on zero point energy are highly controversial. No device claimed to
operate using zero point energy has been demonstrated to operate as claimed. No plausible
description of a device drawing useful power from a source of zero point energy has been given.
Thus, current claims to zero point energy-based power generation systems currently have the
status of pseudoscience or constitute outright fraud
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 04:17 PM
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20. Wow. Do you know I watched that whole video years ago.

I can't remember it though. I'll have to watch it again.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 04:21 PM
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22. Interesting thing that they want to explore ZPE for possible
space propulsion, I especially liked the part with the nano diodes that only operate in the presence of zero point flux.
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im1013 Donating Member (527 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 12:00 PM
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12. Sorry...
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Sky Masterson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 12:27 PM
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14. Great find
:thumbsup:
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 03:37 PM
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18. Yep, some used car salemen sell dud automobiles, so the internal combustion engine is
no better'n snake-oil. Love your logic. You should be sorry.

Alas, I fear the ravings of you dolts lend too much weight to arguments in favour of anything you oppose than may be healthy.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 04:19 PM
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21. Thanks. I should have googled it first.

Internet fraudsters are raking in thousands of dollars a day with an elaborate scam selling magnetic perpetual motion machines that are claimed to produce infinite free energy.

Since spring this year an operation called Magniwork has been selling a $50 DIY guide to building a perpetual motion device at home. On their web-site the fraudsters claim the materials are available in any local hardware store for less than $100. One estimate puts sales of the guide as high as 5,000 copies a month, making the scam worth up to $3m a year.

The claims for Magniwork are advanced via an extensive Google advertising campaign, and a network of blogs, web-sites and reviews endorsing the product. They are given further credibility by a clip of film from Sky News Australia about plans for a similar product made by a legitimate if optimistic research company called Lutec. Lutec patented its technology in 19 countries in 1999, but the product has still not seen the light of day. Off-Grid has discovered that the clip is over 8 years old.

Perpetual motion machine

Magniwork which describes its product as ‘a magnetic power generator’ claims to have invented a revolutionary off-grid power source that uses magnets to “power itself and create energy by itself, without requiring solar energy, heat, water, coal or any kind of resource.” The web-site promises the device will generate perpetual energy which will “fully power your home for free.”

However even the idea of such a device is dismissed by trained physicists. “The little explanation they give on their website makes no sense to me,” said Gunnar Pruessner, a lecturer in physics at Imperial College London. “For starters it breaks with all we know about quantum physics since Dirac, which says that we cannot tap into zero point fluctuations or virtual particles.”
Priceless IP

He observed that if the claims were true, they would mark the biggest advance in science ever. “It would bring a world-wide socio-economic revolution with incalculable political consequences. So you have to ask why are they scuzzing around selling their priceless IP (intellectual property) for a few dollars?”
Made in Macedonia

The site gives no way of contacting Magniwork -other than to order the guide. But its legal disclaimer reveals that despite the .com web address which suggests a US-based company, Magniwork is in fact located in Macedonia, a tiny republic on the northern border of Greece in Europe. “This Agreement shall all be governed and construed in accordance with the laws of Macedonia applicable to agreements made and to be performed in Macedonia,” it reads. It has similarly proved difficult to identify the individuals behind the scheme. But one researcher claims to have written to the site’s web-master who referred in his reply to a man simply called “Igor”, the manual’s publisher.

Kernel of truth

Angry customers admit that the guide does contain kernels of truth. “Some of the suggestions in the e-book can reduce your home power consumption. For example, checking for air leaks, have better home insulation, servicing your air-conditioning unit or heate etc,”wrote one. But is it essentially amateurish and misleading, they say. “The whole “document” is 57 pages long and looks like something a kid in high school put together. The final “generator” is basically a magnet that is 2″ high sitting on a turntable that is 4″ high! They claim that its output is 24.5 Watts! That is 1/100th of what my house uses when the AC is on. It wouldn’t put out enough power to light up a standard light bulb,“ wrote another angry blogger. Fraudulent

Alternative energy expert Sterling D. Allan founder of The New Energy Congress has examined Magniwork’s claims. “Most of the 50+ page manual contains energy conservation tips that are based on well-established principles,” he said. But he points out that plans for the device are freely available elsewhere, they are based on other people’s work and he claims to have tried to contact people offering testimonials, without success. “The wording on their site still gives the reader the idea that the plans will result in a working free energy device but that is not the case. Such representation is fraud,” he concluded.

Although highly implausible, the idea of somehow harvesting magnetic power has intrigued scientists for over a century. It was first suggested by pioneering physicist Nicola Tesla in the nineteenth century. Australian company Lutec is still trying to perfect such a device. And U.S based based Magnetic Power Inc, headed by Mark Goldes, has claimed to be on the verge of launching a ‘Magnetic Power Module’ for at least six years. There is no suggestion that either Lutec or MPI are part of the scam.
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safeinOhio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 03:27 PM
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17. I invented a car without an engine
Has very large back wheels so it is always going downhill.:crazy:
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Plucketeer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 04:45 PM
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24. Hey!
I drive one just like that! Gets such great gas mileage that I have to stop every now and then to empty the tank. :rofl:
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 05:53 PM
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29. Yes, but you have to have something to empty the tank into....
http://www.zpenergy.com/modules.php?name=News&file=print&sid=2598


*Now to answer your question:* YES, these diodes demonstrate substantive, greater than uncertainty generation of energy from ZPE. In fact, simple coils do as well! Don't believe me? Check out the frenzy of activity that I cite concerning Puthoff's right hand man, Dr. Eric Davis, as well as Prof. Christian Beck overseas. Both of them finally woke up to the multiple papers that Koch published years ago (attached) as he carefully measured the electrical noise that should not have been happening in his coils. Eric just made a big deal about it at the 2006 STAIF conference and is trying to get Lockheed money to fund a REPLICATION of Koch's work, without going any further toward my recommendation of diode technology (in other words, he likes plain academic stuff). Professor Beck just wrote a book on ZPE after published a paper about dark energy being measurable in the laboratory" (Beck, Christian and Michael Mackey, Astrophysics preprint, June 23, 2004 "Has Dark Energy Been Measured in the Lab?" http://xxx.arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0406504).

Lastly, I should cite Dr. Pinto's work, among others like the Brown patent, for making reasonable calculations of the energy density of arrays of vacuum engines like the ZPE diodes, which conservatively reach estimates of hundreds of kilowatts/cubic meter.
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32. For $5000 you could put a windmill on top of your house.
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