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stlsaxman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 06:47 PM
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With All Due Respect: Please Reconsider Columbus Day
 
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Bullet1987 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 07:55 PM
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1. Christopher Columbus is too ingrained in the myth of America
It is now being openly talked about in academic circles that he wasn't even the first "Westerner" the discover America. That various other peoples knew of a land across the Atlantic and at least attempted voyages. The probability of ALL of these journeys failing isn't too high I'd say.
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stlsaxman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 09:17 PM
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2. Good point.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 09:29 PM
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3. In my library book group, I got them to read and discuss "Lies My Teacher Told Me"
Edited on Mon Oct-12-09 09:30 PM by bobbolink
It had a large effect on most of them.

At the end of the evening, I heard comments like: "Now I understand why the Indians don't like Columbus Day", "I'll never see Thanksgiving the same way again".

I felt like I did my part to raise consciousness by getting a number of people to read a book they wouldn't have otherwise read.

Something to consider doing.
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unapatriciated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 09:50 PM
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4. That's a great book.
I was fortunate to have a history teacher who did not teach the myths and learned the true story of Columbus long ago (1969).
I do celebrate October 12th. It is my daughters birthday, not Columbus Day.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 10:48 PM
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5. I have no problem at all with Italians wanting to have a day to celebrate their culture, and from
what I hear from Indians around here, they don't either.

Why the Italians insist that the only way they can celebrate their culture in October is to laud a murderer is beyond me.

Do they really think their culture is so devoid of value that there is only one thing to point to? :wtf:

I just can't figure out why they can't see the reality, understand how others can recoil from it, and change direction. NOT give up... but change direction. The rest of us would enjoy celebrating and learning some of the REAL accomplishments of the Italian people!
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unapatriciated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 11:12 AM
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10. I never said that their culture was "so devoid of value"
There is plenty to celebrate such as art, music, architecture food, sense of family and my favorite wine.
I never thought of Columbus Day as a celebration of Italian Culture.
http://www.italyculturemonth.org/about.htm
http://www.boglewood.com/

btw my great grandmother is Sioux and Navajo. and yes their is plenty to celebrate.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 03:24 PM
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11. Wow. Interesting. I clearly said "the Italians". Yet, you insert yourself into that.
"I never thought of Columbus Day as a celebration of Italian Culture."

Again, I never said you did. The Italians DO. Every year there is a protest by Indians here in the Denver area, and the Italians are interviewed by the Denver Post, and that is always put out there. I didn't make it up, nor did I make it personal to you.

Who knows.... maybe it's only the Italians in the Denver area who insist that Columbus Day be celebrated because it's a celebration of their "culture". I dunno.

"All I know is what I read in the papers." Will Rogers

And, no, I'm not going scouting for a link.

Greetings to your grandmother. Those are two great cultures who have given this country much! We would have been a wiser nation if we had listened to them closer.
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unapatriciated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-14-09 07:02 AM
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14. sorry I misread thought it said 'you' instead of 'they'.
but I still don't think of Columbus Day as a celebration of Italian Culture much in the same way I would not think of the crusades as a celebration of the Catholic Church.
I know American Italians Celebrate Columbus Day as a symbol similar to my father's family celebrating St. Patrick's Day. We Americans love to mix folklore with facts, makes for a nicer story.
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RebelOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 08:28 AM
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8. Read that book and it opened my eyes to a lot of myths
that I was taught in school.
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Pool Hall Ace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 10:05 AM
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9. I want to read that book.
For me, October 12 is my mother's birthday. It is also the anniversary of her death.

I don't see Christopher Columbus as any wonderful person at all.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 03:30 PM
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12. I hope you do---there is a wealth of information in it.
Edited on Tue Oct-13-09 03:31 PM by bobbolink
And, after you do, I hope you recommmend it to others, and discuss it with them.

The author is a historian who took 12 hhigh school history textbooks, and went through them looking for accuracy. If you can, find the later edition, where he took even more textbooks.

And, as far as history is concerned... I would also highly recommend a short video called "The Plot To Overthrow FDR". It's amazing what we don't know about our history. That plot was even left out of the "Lies" book!

edited to say.... the book is not an easy read. It is very painful to understand more deeply how our nation has behaved. :(
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demwing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 11:53 PM
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6. Big kick and Rec. Why isn't this post on the greatest page yet?
it deserves to be...
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demwing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 07:58 AM
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7. KICK AGAIN
it deserves getting noticed
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 06:53 PM
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13. finally got around to watching this
:thumbsup:
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