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FluxRostrum Donating Member (339 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 10:56 AM
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Students Tear Down The Protest Pen ~ S.C.A.R.P.
 
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30 some kids on the way to their friends WAKE... were arrested, detained for 36 hours and charged with violating the the newly rewritten "definition" of what constitutes an unlawful use of our 1st Amendment Right of Assembly.

July 9th they served noticed to Brooklyn's 83rd Precinct by removing the metal barricades used by the cops to fence in the protest.

Now there's S.C.A.R.P.
Student Coalition Against Racial Profiling
join forces here
http://www.ourdemandforjustice.org

http://mobilebroadcastnews.com/SCARP83rd
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 11:10 AM
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1. Thanks for posting. That was truly inspirational.
Peaceful yet forceful. Good on those kids and the community leaders. That took some guts.

I see an interesting analogy...I'd bet there were at least a few in that crowd saying "No, we shouldn't remove the barricades because that will just upset the police." But they stood up for what is RIGHT, not what is expeditious and safe.

When will the democrats do the same?

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Nunyabiz Donating Member (504 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 11:45 AM
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3. I am convinced that African Americans
are about this country's only hope because us fat white jackasses wont do a damn thing.
That and maybe international help from hopefully Chavez.

I am speaking as a white man that is thoroughly disgusted with Americans in general, why the hell have we all let this go this far?

2 elections positively stolen....small reaction from about 1 million for maybe a couple of months

Blatant lies about WMD to take the country into an unjust and illegal war.........even though about 70% of the country knows exactly what happened, the bald faced lies told etc here we sit not doing a damn thing.

Both the administration and MSM complicit in the attacks and cover up on 9/11.....between at minimum 45% up to maybe 60% of the country knows this administration had something to do with 9/11 either LIHOP or MIHOP (either one is TREASON BTW) and yet they are still in office and the democrats refuse to impeach a pack of never elected treasonous war criminals and we the people sit here yet again doing nothing.

The Black Man with maybe a little international help is our only hope because well lets face it we white folk are an absolute disgrace.

Where is the OUTRAGE!!
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roody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 08:38 AM
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19. May people of color rise up and we fat white jackasses
too. We don't need international help; we are the grassroots.
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petgoat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 09:17 AM
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20. Michael Moore says that the 9/11 planes could not have been hijacked
if black men were passengers that day.

According to the 9/11 Commission, most of the alleged hijackers
were between 5'5" and 5'7" tall.

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/context.jsp?item=a0301confessions

The passengers were, after all, armed with shoes, attache cases,
blankets and, potentially, sawed-off seatbelts with very heavy
buckles.

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Az Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 11:44 AM
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2. About freaking time
It always sickened me that no one had torn one of those things down yet. Yeah right. I have free speech ... over there.... in that cage. Fascists.
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 11:52 AM
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4. Good point...none of us ever tore down the cages when it happened to us.
We allowed ourselves to be herded up and placed in "First Amendment Zones" without so much as I "FUCK YOU, PIG!" We've acquiesced to every illegal activity this fascist administration has forced on us...and done NOTHING.

More power to these guys. This wasn't exactly the Lexington-Concord battle, but it's a start.

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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 12:31 PM
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5. Maybe this will end up being a court test of
the unconstitutionality of those policies. Bush owns the SC now, but Roberts did say that in a First Amendment case, the preference should be on the side of defending the right to free speech--but of course that was in reference to the freedom of deep-pocket corporations to buy politicians. When it came time to defend the right of students to post silly banners away from school, his court--and he--went the other way.
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 12:37 PM
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6. "You're going to hit us one too many times..." So true, speaking in terms of human nature.
Bravo!
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 01:10 PM
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7. Cages and fences around demonstrations -- what kind of freedom is that?
Can you imagine what would have happened if they had put a fence around the men who demonstrated by their conduct at the Boston tea party/ There is a place for peaceful demonstration and even demonstrative actions provided those who are demonstrating do not hurt others or infringe upon the rights of others, are aware of the consequences of their conduct and accept those consequences. I do not agree with everything that these young people stand for and believe in, but I support their right to demonstrate peacefully in a public place (and in some private places) without barriers, fences, gates and the like.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 01:12 PM
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8. Awesome
My home town.
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DKRC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 01:13 PM
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9. K&R!
If the Criminal-in-Charge keeps pushing, the police and military are going to have to choose between serving the fascists or protecting the people. They can't do both. I hope they make the right choice.

Thanks for posting this. :thumbsup:
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coco77 Donating Member (966 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 01:17 PM
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10. Power to the people!
If only this country could get it...
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Sparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 01:26 PM
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11. This video is awesome and inspiring.
Thanks for posting this. This is the kind of civil protest I can live with. More power to them!

:kick:
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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 02:40 PM
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12. k & r
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 03:43 PM
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13. I was inspired too, but if it was the LAPD, there would have been problems.
More force will be required to get those dirty cops (as polite language as I can muster) to allow us "self-determination".
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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 04:59 PM
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14. K&R
:kick:
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ihaveaquestion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 06:41 PM
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15. It's about time someone tore these down !!!!
The whole fucking country is a FREE SPEECH "ZONE" !!!!!
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 11:01 PM
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16. Here's another student who tore down the protest pen
Edited on Fri Jul-13-07 11:10 PM by ProudDad
Lest we forget:


There is a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious, makes you so sick at heart, that you can't take part; you can't even passively take part, and you've got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels, upon the levers, upon all the apparatus, and you've got to make it stop. And you've got to indicate to the people who run it, to the people who own it, that unless you're free, the machine will be prevented from working at all!

Mario Salvio; December 3, 1964


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcx9BJRadfw
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Norrin Radd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 03:19 AM
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17. k+r
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PBass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 07:20 AM
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18. About Bushwick
Edited on Sat Jul-14-07 07:40 AM by PBass
Bushwick is a neighborhood in Brooklyn with one of the highest crime rates in New York City. There was a gang murder and on the day (or night) of the wake for the victim, the police arrested about 30 people who were outside or trying to enter the funeral home, apparently wearing colors (I didn't know that. In the video someone mentions wanting their red bandanas returned). So in my opinion, referring to the people who were arrested as "students" is probably disingenuous. Whether they are students or not is irrelevant in my opinion.

I don't condone police harrassment but there is not nearly enough police presence in that neighborhood. I lived in Bushwick for a year, and I have never felt so unsafe, and I have lived in Brooklyn for almost 10 years, and before that Chicago for 25 years. There was a murder outside my front door in November 2006. Crime is a very serious problem in Bushwick, including murder, rape, assault, armed robbery and drug dealing... "street crime".

In addition, poverty is a huge problem. Half the people living in Bushwick are on public assistance. You see loads and loads of teenagers hanging around, with nothing to do. It's like a part of New York City that nobody seems to care about. Like any neighborhood, some blocks are worse than others. I lived on a corner of Bushwick where the police installed a video camera (one of the first ones in Brooklyn, they have a bunch in Manahattan) because there was so much crime. There were 4 "daytime" burglaries in my building (a six unit complex) during the year I lived there, and (IMO) it was certainly one of my neighbors on the block who was doing it (because you need to know who is home, who is gone etc.)

I lived a block away from Maria Hernandez Park, formerly known as Bushwick Park. Maria Hernandez was a neighborhood activist in the late 80s who was trying to clean up the neigborhood, and drug dealers murdered her, shooting into her apartment from the street. She was in her 30s at the time.
http://www.nycgovparks.org/sub_your_park/historical_signs/hs_historical_sign.php?id=186

During the New York City Blackout of 1977 Bushwick was looted and dozens of stores were burned down, the worst looting of any neighborhood in New York City I believe. If I remember right, the arson lasted for two weeks afterwards, with residential buildings being burned down as well. See wikipedia link, which is rather condensed and incomplete regarding the blackout and aftermath:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bushwick

Charles Barron is not the city councilman for Bushwick, Diana Reyna is.

Anyway I am not an expert on Bushwick but I know Bushwick has a troubled history of poverty and crime. I wrote this without the benefit of coffee, and off the cuff. If anyone can correct me on anything I've said, those points would be well-taken.

I think this situation is complicated because while police harrassment is intolerable, so is gang violence and violent crime. There has to be a way to effectively address crime, without trampling on peoples' rights.

I don't understand why these people were held in lockup for 36 hours, that was excessive.




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FluxRostrum Donating Member (339 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 10:39 AM
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21. Thanks for the added context, but...
They were "students", apparently carrying notes from their teachers allowing them to attend the wake. The red bandanas refered to in the video were what the police claimed the students were wearing. The students were asking them to "produce" the alleged bandanas and to return the R.I.P. t-shirts (made for the wake) that the cops confiscated, claiming they were covered in gang signs.

I don't doubt that it's a rough neighborhood but when the cops act irresponsibly, abusing their power and further disenfranchising an impoverish population... there would seem to be little hope for them to attain the level of respect and cooperation from the community that will be needed to fix the crime problem.
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