Ed Schultz to Obama: "Your base thinks you're nothing but a sellout."

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Right on, Ed! We want to be listened to!

him unless he goes right.

n/t

Ed is right. Nothing left for us.

not right. It is President Obama that has moved to the right. We are exactly where we started at.

D'oh!?

What Ed's doing is 'wrong' in terms of conventional corporate wisdom because it's populist. So unless he turns 'right' (meaning, becomes more conservative), he's probably going to be in the shitter.

I guess you can't tell the difference.

I'm confused. He definitely called this the POS that it is.

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Everyone I know, that helped (worked) to put Obama in office is thoroughly disgusted with his decisions. None of us will lift a finger to help him get re-elected. We need a third party. (really we have a single party now) Obama has become a sellout just like Lieberman. We need to form a party that includes people like Bernie Sanders, Alan Grayson, Dennis Kucinich, etc... real progressives, who want to help Americans. I have lost all respect for Obama and the "change" he represented. Bush lite...no wonder these crooks refused to prosecute and took ALL progressive measures "off the table."

all the Hillary supporters that were demonetized on this web sight for sticking with her and trying to tell you what was going happen if Obama was elected .
I hope you all are happy .

At least Obama was a crap shoot. Looks like we're rolling snake eyes with him but at least there was a chance.

Hillary, not at all. Totally owned corporate asset.

Huffington, Kos, and most DUers shouted us down

"prickly."

Hillary would have sold us out with the best of them. She and big Bill are both firmly and totally owned by our corporate overlords.

With the exception of a few brave souls in both the house and the senate those who have been entrusted with caring for the public interest have become lackeys of the rich and powerful.

Deal with that reality and get over the idea that Clinton being elected would have made even the smallest difference in what's going on right now.

You can't run as the conservative candidate in the primaries and then be more progressive after you've won.

You can't do anything progressive after you've vaporized Iran.

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:shrug:

It's sad..He's really looking bad. Were Dean or someone like him to run against him in '12, I'd vote for him/her in a heartbeat.

I'm tired of pro-business Republicans in the White House ... been that way since 1980.

I'm trying to find another party or just give up. I am so disgusted with the Democrats. I definitely hate the Republicans, but I don't know what other party is similar to my beliefs. It doesn't seem to be the Democrats in power.

Howard Dean has it right. Like he did when he first came on the political scene-but like Kucinich if he shows any backbone, they make them look like an idiot.

I've called my senators and told them to kill this bill-it is a giveaway to corporate powers-we are screwed again. I believe Rahm Emanuel is whispering in our president's ear-and it's not good.

We've known for 40 years that corporations/elties were buying government and our agencies --

Certainly the vote has been made a farce, but not voting has never helped anyone . . .

neither African-Americans nor Women, nor anyone else deprived of it.

I'd highly recommend the Jane Hamsher article to you -- two versions are posted at DU currently.


The other part of this that Americans have to begin to awaken to and take and shake is this

right wing creation of our reality --

Hitler was created by corporates -- wealthy Repugs here -- Prescott Bush and other wealthy

elites financed him with right wing/elite money from all over the world.

Corporations overrode agreements against Germany rearming. The war machine is another

profit center for corporate/elites which they're quite fond of -- and a major disruption for

nations and their people. Not to mention the bankrutping of our own Treasury by these two

wars!


Here in America we're been trying to cope and reason with an insane right wing religious

movement which was CREATED by the right wing. GOP gave start up funding to the Christian

Coalition -- Scaife provided financing for Dobson's organization -- and other wealthy right

wing Repugs financed Bauer's organization. Religion is a major tool of elites used to

undermine nations and their people. And, it's a continuing landmine left behind in nations!


US/CIA also created the Taliban/Al Qaeda and used it to brait the Russians into Afghanistan

... in hopes of giving them a Vietnam type experience. Further, US/CIA created the VIOLEN

Islamic movement and worked to spread it into the Middle East. See notes from my Journal below.


We have pre-owned and pre-bribed Demcoratic candidates and elected representatives who are

paid to work not for the people, but for the elites.


Doing what we have been doing for the last 40 years isn't working!!

We need a new plan --

And, if liberals/progressives want change we are going to have to bring it about by acting as

a voting bloc . . . not by wnadering off alone.

IMO . . .



:)



EDITED TO ADD THE NOTES ...

FIRST PART OF THIS DEALS WITH HOW US/CIA CREATED TALIBAN AND AL QAEDA . . .
TO BAIT RUSSIANS INTO AFGHANISTAN . . .!!!


SECOND PART DEALS WITH THE TEXTBOOKS --



The CIA's Intervention in Afghanistan
Interview with Zbigniew Brzezinski,
President Jimmy Carter's National Security Adviser

Le Nouvel Observateur, Paris, 15-21 January 1998

Question: The former director of the CIA, Robert Gates, stated in his memoirs <"From the Shadows">, that American intelligence services began to aid the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan 6 months before the Soviet intervention. In this period you were the national security adviser to President Carter. You therefore played a role in this affair. Is that correct?

Brzezinski: Yes. According to the official version of history, CIA aid to the Mujahadeen began during 1980, that is to say, after the Soviet army invaded Afghanistan, 24 Dec 1979. But the reality, secretly guarded until now, is completely otherwise Indeed, it was July 3, 1979 that President Carter signed the first directive for secret aid to the opponents of the pro-Soviet regime in Kabul. And that very day, I wrote a note to the president in which I explained to him that in my opinion this aid was going to induce a Soviet military intervention.

Q: Despite this risk, you were an advocate of this covert action. But perhaps you yourself desired this Soviet entry into war and looked to provoke it?

B: It isn't quite that. We didn't push the Russians to intervene, but we knowingly increased the probability that they would.

Q: When the Soviets justified their intervention by asserting that they intended to fight against a secret involvement of the United States in Afghanistan, people didn't believe them. However, there was a basis of truth. You don't regret anything today?

Q: Regret what? That secret operation was an excellent idea. It had the effect of drawing the Russians into the Afghan trap and you want me to regret it? The day that the Soviets officially crossed the border, I wrote to President Carter. We now have the opportunity of giving to the USSR its Vietnam war. Indeed, for almost 10 years, Moscow had to carry on a war unsupportable by the government, a conflict that brought about the demoralization and finally the breakup of the Soviet empire.

Q: And neither do you regret having supported the Islamic fundamentalism, having given arms and advice to future terrorists?

Q: What is most important to the history of the world? The Taliban or the collapse of the Soviet empire? Some stirred-up Moslems or the liberation of Central Europe and the end of the cold war?

http://www.takeoverworld.info/brzezinski_i... ...


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SECOND PART --


The US spent $100's of millions shooting down Soviet helicopters yet didn't spend a penny helping Afghanis rebuild their infrastructure and institutions.

They also spent millions producing jihad preaching, fundamentalist textbooks and shipping them off to Afghanistan. These were the same text books the Western media discussed in shocked tones and told their audiences were used by fundamentalist teachers to brainwash their charges and to inculcate in young Afghanis a jihad mindset, hatred of foreigners and non-Muslims etc.


Have you heard about the Afghan Jihad schoolbook scandal?

Or perhaps I should say, "Have you heard about the Afghan Jihad schoolbook scandal that's waiting to happen?"

Because it has been almost unreported in the Western media that the US government shipped, and continues to ship, millions of Islamist textbooks into Afghanistan.

Only one English-speaking newspaper we could find has investigated this issue: the Washington Post. The story appeared March 23rd.

Washington Post investigators report that during the past twenty years the US has spent millions of dollars producing fanatical schoolbooks, which were then distributed in Afghanistan.

"The primers, which were filled with talk of jihad and featured drawings of guns, bullets, soldiers and mines, have served since then as the Afghan school system's core curriculum. Even the Taliban used the American-produced books..." -- Washington Post, 23 March 2002 (1)

According to the Post the U.S. is now "...wrestling with the unintended consequences of its successful strategy of stirring Islamic fervor to fight communism."

So the books made up the core curriculum in Afghan schools. And what were the unintended consequences? The Post reports that according to unnamed officials the schoolbooks "steeped a generation in violence."

How could this result have been unintended? Did they expect that giving fundamentalist schoolbooks to schoolchildren would make them moderate Muslims?

Nobody with normal intelligence could expect to distribute millions of violent Islamist schoolbooks without influencing school children towards violent Islamism. Therefore one would assume that the unnamed US officials who, we are told, are distressed at these "unintended consequences" must previously have been unaware of the Islamist content of the schoolbooks.

But surely someone was aware. The US government can't write, edit, print and ship millions of violent, Muslim fundamentalist primers into Afghanistan without high officials in the US government approving those primers.

http://www.tenc.net/articles/jared/jihad.h...


We went into Afghanistan six months BEFORE the Russians came in, in order to BAIT them in!!

Brzezinski has spoken about this openly over the past three years or so -- it was in his book.

However, I've never heard Carter's comments on this -- and remember that he took the US out

of the Olympics over our alleged "shock" at Russian invading Afghanistan!!!!

As the United Nations repeatedly points out -- "US is a terrorist nationn" --

Important explanations here. Thanks.

yet, and according to a reporter from The Nation, last name Nichols, the "White House is in a panice"...Which sounds like they just might be ready to "deal".

into the closet!!

TV is a prime tool for manipulating the public --

with facts and numbers and logic as to why this was not going to fly without a strong public option. Right now, I would break down into a profanity slinging tirade. I won't lower myself. They know how we feel. They don't care. They have those lovely campaign contributions to look forward to. Huh, would be funny if the insurance cartels pull a recission on them. They'd still like a few things the American people get out of this stripped. Perhaps they'll give the money to Republicans to repeal those things in 2010 and 2012. Wonder if they would then understand what serving us up to the double crossing sociopathic industry feels like?

or anthying that bad, but I felt sad, nonetheless...I had liked him so much.:-(

felt it was a waste of time to write Obama. I gave it up.

I think he reads DU to judge the mood of the "base"

FDL put this video up.

President Obama has lost the support of his core supporters, those moderate to liberal supporters that sent him money and campaigned for him. Like me.

all done in secret so you have no fucking idea what his deals were!

Seems to me anyone who wanted to know this info ... ( Big Ed) ...could have , i sure as hell knew we were sold out..when Obama did secret deals with the big boys of the medical corporations..the info was exposed that these secret deals were made..just too many kept believing in fairy tales about Obama, and some fucking great chess game..that never existed!

This is just bad policy dressed up as change - but in the long run, this is corporate wealthfare sponsored by your friendly neighborhood lobbyists.

He's sold us out on war, DADT, health care, by bailing out the banks, etc. I'm pissed. :mad:

I stated that I know my phone call probably counts for little to nothing. But, I told them that even if I don't matter, I am a member of a group of people who do matter. Their base. I told them to tell the White House to read the blogosphere that the President utilized so well during the campaign is uniting against him and the democrats.

I told them that this will not be forgotten in a week, a month, a year. It will define them.

I doubt they will listen, but I called them.

I think this speech by Keith tonight as well as the statements by Howard Dean are hopefully a slap in the face - maybe even a wake-up call. We can hope so at least. I think I'll call and emphasize those things - as well as a few other choice things I've got to say to these people. Hell I worked my ass off to help get him in office. Ugh.

I'm going to do the same - and encourage everyone I know to call, write, and email. If Obama doesn't listen, he needs to get out of the way. We're mad as hell and aren't going to go away quietly.

called yesterday afternoon. Lieberman's and Kerry's phones also were not answered yesterday.

I didn't include a pledge to pay them more than the insurance companies are paying them.

He didn't have to be a one-term president.

Nothing is going to change until we take government back.

He may still do DADT.

:kick:

and he's right.

as those that think don't believe he is a sell out

and I agree, some do not believe he is a sell out. But I would argue MOST perceive he is.

Throwing Dean under the bus today was unforgivable.

in time the lives this bill saves will make people forget about the disappointment of a victory snatched away at the last minute.

It's called impatience and Ed is suggesting that Obama lead.

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because those who are observing would see that Obama is a sell-out/

On HCR in particular, he seems to have bent over backwards to toss concessions before the Pubs and the DINOs, only to see them up the ante.

He lost the game of chess.

He gave away all of his cards.

And that seems to be the more GENEROUS interpretation.

The alternative is that he planned or was ready to endorse a bad bill like this all along.

Not all his base..just those who WATFOT.

I think its high time we started agitating for a 2012 run by Dr. Dean. Somebody has to primary Obama before him and his moron minions in the White House will get the message.

putting the president's feet to the fire.

Honest Eddie.

You're a good listener. Please prove it.

Got to admire that.

Who does Obama work for/care about? It ain't me & you.

not that they haven't all played a part in that fate, but if they had a real leader, maybe things could be going differently.

if we lose the majority.

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You are speaking for me.

an "emotional outburst" from Ed. It is a well thought-out, straightforward, honest, plea to the President.

I don't care for Ed when he engages in a real emotional outburst, but this was a perfect way to approach the problem.

Just like the RW has been telling us for years.

why "with all it's faults" we should support this bill? Seriously what is good and useful about it?

in giving another windfall to abusive corporations. Instead corporate power should be reined in.

The health care bill is bad and most of us agree with that.

You're part of the Party Faithful, you're NOT, by ANY stretch of the imagination, a liberal.

That is why I like listening to him. He tells it like it is. In fact this may be exactly what Obama needs a little kick from his Base. I think the absolute wrong thing to do would be to go quietly along with this B.S. Healthcrap bill they are debating in the Senate.

Kill the Bill. Start fresh, Ed should ask Obama...

Mr. President,

What is more important to you, getting legislation passed, or getting the right kind of Legislation passed?

Single Payer, medicare for all you can even deduct more in medicare tax from my paycheck heck double it if thats what it takes but get it done right so Every American is covered, no one left behind, no one needlessly dying.

... and get it done RIGHT without corporate interference!

And then to close the door on these damn fascists, once a decent health care bill is passed, then pass some meaningful campaign finance reform. That will get back his base again and maybe more if we can start seeing the path way to a government that listens to people instead of corporate America.

He might have to fire some people like Rahm Emmanuel and Larry Summers in the process, but that would be a good thing in the long run.

:patriot:

He's probably looking down from heaven and thinking "Hmmmm, this is the schmuck I supported?"

you don't just pass a bill because you want to pass it. The Democrats will officially 'own' it and when people start getting mandated into expensive insurance industry plans, or services don't function as promised, and taxes start going up on folks, and paperwork with exclusions and limitations starts circulating, this will all be pointing right square back at the Democrats. 100% ownership. Dr. Phil says you name it, you claim it.

So claiming this heap of garbage sprinkled with sugar doesn't make it any less a heap o garbage. With no public system/plan to lower costs, then a mandate is not only reprehensible - it is corporate monopolism. Mob 'protection money' someone said this evening - and it reeks of a racket. (holding baseball bat... 'We are going to make you an offer you can't refuse.')

I hope someone can find that information and post it.

Ed said that John Kerry was one of those who opposed drug importation!

Democrats who voted against Drug Re-Importation were:

akaka, baucus, burris, bayh, cantwell, carper, carden, casey, durbin, gillibrand, hagan, inouye, kauffman, kerry, kirk, landrieu, lautenberg, levin, lieberman, menendez, mikulski, murray, reed, reid, rockefeller, schumer, udall CO,tester, warner & whitehouse

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/12/15/814793/-DEMS-Kill-Drug-Re-Importation-!!

Why did Kerry vote for this bill??? Why? Harkin finally had to admit it was probably to protect the big pharma deal. Losing the big pharma deal would kill the bill. I guess big pharma controls all the votes.

More on that here:

http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/latest-news/big-pharma-opens-wallet-to-dems2

They must have gone along with President Obama on his deal with Pharma. Well fuck that.

and non-responsive jerks I have encountered in calls to more than 30 congressional offices. This kind of attitude always flows from the top.

These are people who voted AGAINST us having cheaper drugs?? Am I correct?

If so, it's a jaw dropper to me!!

they opposed it. It better be a fantastic reason like- OH! Yes! Us Dems are working hard to repeal that Bush ban! Might get lucky.

When our guys stop working for us we need new guys.

I wish we had his brother instead! Or, his father!

Think of the money we could be saving!

Tomorrow I'll reach more, and several on Tuesday.

If they all call and ask others to call......

:nuke:

all i can say is "et tu brute"?

Money talks and can easily betray us in some way or another.

Color me shocked and pleased

Good on her and (as much as this sickens me to say so) Ben Nelson

He's not a Democrat. He should be on the RepubliCON list.

Oh, but of course he did! He was part of the coalition that buried Dean (along with Gebhardt & Edwards). He then managed to LOSE against the worst. president. ever. Man, Rahm and the DLC sure can pick 'em, can't they? I'll remind everyone that Obama and Hillary were both DLC choices.

Wow! Who voted in favor of the bill?

YEAS -- 51

Alexander (R-TN)
Begich (D-AK)
Bennet (D-CO)
Bingaman (D-NM)
Bond (R-MO)
Boxer (D-CA)
Brown (D-OH)
Coburn (R-OK)
Collins (R-ME)
Conrad (D-ND)
Corker (R-TN)
Cornyn (R-TX)
Crapo (R-ID)
DeMint (R-SC)
Dorgan (D-ND)
Feingold (D-WI)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Franken (D-MN)
Graham (R-SC)
Grassley (R-IA)
Harkin (D-IA)
Hutchison (R-TX)
Johanns (R-NE)
Johnson (D-SD)
Klobuchar (D-MN)
Kohl (D-WI)
LeMieux (R-FL)
Leahy (D-VT)
Lincoln (D-AR)
McCain (R-AZ)
McCaskill (D-MO)
McConnell (R-KY)
Merkley (D-OR)
Murkowski (R-AK)
Nelson (D-FL)
Nelson (D-NE)
Pryor (D-AR)
Risch (R-ID)
Sanders (I-VT)
Sessions (R-AL)
Shaheen (D-NH)
Shelby (R-AL)
Snowe (R-ME)
Specter (D-PA)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Thune (R-SD)
Udall (D-NM)
Vitter (R-LA)
Webb (D-VA)
Wicker (R-MS)
Wyden (D-OR)

Semi-explanation of why we fell short of the 60 votes needed-http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/15/doughnuts-for-dorgan-drug_n_393527.html


In short: It interfered with current HCR.:eyes:

Made a phone call and sent him an email asking him if worms were eating his brain.

In fairness to him, Alaska is a red state, and Begich is going to have to kiss a lot of Republican ass to be more than a one term senator. That's what he was doing with this vote.

wolves. By their fruit you will recognize them.

Matthew 7:15,16

believe that HE CARES! I don't think he WANTS to say what HAS to be said, he seems to be "pleading" with Obama to LISTEN TO THE BASE!

I've thought Ed Schultz has been better than most on HCR! Him and Keith have really opened some eyes! I'm coming late to this post, but what Keith said tonight may have been harsh, but I really think Keith may not have wanted to say it either!

Glad to have them on my side, and on the side of "we the people!"

:spank:

and I don't believe he is a sellout Ed. Obama is a pragmatist he is doing what can be done in this corrupt system. I wish more dems would use their anger in constructive ways and pressure congress. Instead of threatening to sit out in 2010 vote more dems in.

And Ed is calling Obama, who is supposed to have the master team of PR people, on this. He doesn't want perception, he wants leadership. Obama cannot afford to cop out account of the on Congress. This should be a partnership, and it ain't.

http://www.startribune.com/opinion/commentary/78561822.html?elr=KArksc8P <img src=

to those who refuse to wield it in our interest. From now on it's one and done for me. No politician gets a second vote for promises. Either they act like what they got me to vote for, or I'll try someone else. Right now, I observe that Obama's actions have not matched the platform I voted for, and he's already committed to abrogating most of it. Health Insurance Reform is his last chance to squeak by, everything else is trivial now that he's amped up the war, and fixed wall street bonuses before fixing the damage done by those getting them.

I've talked to so many who believe if we don't pass real healthcare reform, the party is over. So many of them are just like you. They've worked their tails off for years against the previous misadministration and to get Dems elected. If the legislators they helped get elected can only manage to deliver a bailout for the health insurance industry instead of real reform, they will walk away from the party en masse.

If President Obama and Congress don't take this seriously, it won't tear apart the party. There will just be nothing left in it but wing-nut moderates who have issues facing their true Republican and corporatist selves.

we want to maintain numerical superiority and ensure another four years.

We blame the media for not doing it's job and they are clearly compromised but we usually ignore our power.

The American people and that includes the sliver that come here are pressuring you to do your job as well, or like some said, they will exercise their power to vote by abstaining. Doesn't matter if I don't like it. So do your job, don't make excuses for the President. Pressuring Congress is just a start. We can pressure the WH, local government and party, media, and organizations both corporate and of good will.

Lotsa people don't think he is a sellout, then have him prove it.

The wild elephants and sluggish DINO's are stampeding around inside our party tent here, tearing our platform apart,
as ardent democratic supporters are being shoved back outside and corralled into the stands where they must remain
until called upon for a vote in 2010. How come they don't do that to the big lobbyists and bankers?

This is not a fairy tale. It is the truth and must not be ignored. Really does suck to say it, see it, and hear it. It is a major problem.

Please be objective enough to see that our main man is being one sided on some deep domestic policies, and he has
surrounded himself with many ruthless characters who work very hard to cater to corporate needs first. Yet again.

We need a President that does not fool the people- but rather takes on those who continue to bankrupt and plunder us on Main St.

Seriously worried for our chance at real progress- as in strong policies that improves the personal lives of citizens.
We have been waiting for decades you know. Dems have higher standards as supporters- even with low expectations.

Republicans believe just about anything. Democrats simply do not. It is a noticeable difference that I am grateful to be a part of.

or those with no spines?

Our party, and our president, has abandoned the base. They take us for granted because they know we will NEVER vote Republican.

Well, this member of Obama's base will never vote for a Democrat again if health care reform without a strong public option passes.

I will vote third party or write in "Donald Duck."

I feel like going back to throwing away my vote on the Green Party. I can't believe how much has stayed the same, and if the Senate health care bill passes, how much worse things are going to get...

On the bright side Aetna and United Health Care's stock prices aren't suffering as bad as their so-called "customers". :sarcasm:

what "can be done" in this corrupt system. To many of us, he didn't even appear to try. And this is coming form a man that cried tears at the inauguration. I've experienced quite a turn about. No one wants to believe more than me.

Are you really part of that?

Because right now, progressive principles and Obama's policies could not be further apart.

... I'll take more dems but I think we'd be better off with the same number of dems if they were better dems.

religious reasons for his opposition to equal rights for all Americans? What kind of pragmatist says that invisible forces influence his opinions? He claims to be 'faith based' and he says 'God is in the mix' in his policy views. How do you make that work? He's pragmatically faith based, or faithfully pragmatic?
Do you see discrimination based on religious faith to be pragmatic? Do you know what pragmatic means?

and thanks benny05!

as if a economic hit man was in charge...

fools, the stupid, the uninformed moderates, the people who don't really give a shit about anyone but themselves the slimy fucks selfish fucks know who they are, you could read many of these assholes come out of the woodwork around here!

This fucked up bill and the only reason Obama wants it, and why Obama is using scare tactics, is simply that any fucked up bill will do for Rahm Emanuel plans & bullshit phony political tactics, any bill...

Even a fucked up bill like the one offered now that has been strip of everything and that does virtually nothing to stop the insurance companies gouging, collusion, monopoly, or their obscene profits and absolute command of health care for profit only, as this current Lieberman bill allows.

Fuck the American people, the sick, the dying the workers, the middle class and the poor.

Obama only wants to get behind this fucked up bill so he could parade around and call this piece of shit bill "health care REFORM" and claim the bill as a victory for himself, his administration and the American people.

As this pile of shit bill will be his center piece of achievement during his State of the Union Address next month.

Kill the bill! Put this watered down to nothing bill, this absolutely bullshit weak senate bill to death!

sadly, I doubt all this angst will have much effect. I seem to recall a great deal of criticism from the progressives when the big dog pushed nafta, but yet, he is revered today by many--even those who should know better. I sure hope that having some progressive talkers and the tools of communication that we have now will make a difference in our ability to have an effect. Now to the phones.....

He's speaking for a lot of people today.

Obama best listen to his base... and people like Howard Dean... This was not the change
I voted for.

But he can't do both. If I wanted someone in the White House making sure the Republicans had a relevant voice in the government. I would have voted for John McCain. Every time he gives the republicans relevance they use it to ABUSE us. We're sick of getting kicked in the teeth by the republicans. If Obama continue to insist that we play nice with the republicans. Then we'll follow his lead and play nice with the republicans on his impeachment. Pick a reason, any reason. If Obama can't beat them then we have to join them.

And either he will listen and take corrective measures, or we're going to find out that he couldn't care less and his election tactics were pure marketing. If it's the latter, that's despicable. I'm with Big Ed on this one. Obama has done some good things, but on the big stuff, the really important stuff, he's been one disappointment after another. It's like he's not even trying. And either he's a big showboat or he's a man with a death threat over his family and his head. I am left to only wonder about the *real* conversations that take place but the results are very telling.

Keep it up Ed. It's not that liberals and progressives are weak; it's that we won't take bullshit from anyone regardless of party.

middle-class and young voters just like Ray-gun. All the while his corporate masters were smiling because they knew he was in their pocket.

There is an answer and it lies with a couple of handfuls of left wing Senators. If, Sanders, Feingold, Kerry, Harkin, and 10 or 12 others join together and vow to filibuster every bill and action of the Senate until HCR with a meaningful public option or Medi-care for everyone passes they could win.

The fact is we are being played by both sides. They want the issues to divide us....not solutions to our troubles.

Who else?

the disinformation campaign.

:rofl: We all know our morans when we see one, and he is neither a moran nor a moron, just in case.

Childish insults are all you bring to the discussion.

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Did you watch it?

I've seen him yell.

This wasn't one of those at all.

The puking icon, the name calling and the word 'effin' are all very adult things. Keep telling yourself that.

(not Ed , either)

There are 151,505 registered members here. Everyone should email or call, if you wish, the WH
and tell them the base is eroding. Send a wake- up call.

I just did.

30 Years of support fucking me over every day. Fuck Obama.

Bush was only slightly worse.

to suggest it's a few isolated commentors here!

The complete awakening has happened and though those who have wanted to suggest

Obama needs time have merely raised eyebrows of disbelief before this --

right now any such comments would simply bring laughter or tears!!



Schultz and Olberman have fought a good fight on health care -- but they had no

means to deliver it ---

It is the public which is going to have to rise up to knock out corporatism before

things get any worse!!

I just happened to be called by Organizing for America (Obama's $$$-raising organization) yesterday. We had contributed a number of times during the Pres. campaign. They wanted $$$ for 2010/2012. I let her get 3 words out of her mouth and then hit her with a barrage of pent-up frustration about Obama and our disappointment in him- lack of leadership from the WH, his never taking a firm stand on principle and meaning it, caving in to the insurance gangsters and Big Pharma without a fight, turning his leadership over to the fools in Congress, etc. I told her to tell O to call on his insurance friends and Joe Lieberman when he needs money and leave the liberal base of his party alone. Don't call me again! Withholding support is the only thing that will get through to him.

Come on people. Who really believed that Obama could be trusted? He spent his life railing against evil corporations and then took more money from them than any candidate in history. He was, is, and will continue to be a giant fraud.

W43 has a brazillion pairs of cowboy boots emblazoned with the Presidential Seal he'd be willing to let go, cheap.

HD apparently. He really needs to get in touch.

"Emanuel was born in Chicago, Illinois to Jewish parents.<4> His father, Benjamin M. Emanuel, a Jerusalem-born pediatrician, was a member of the Irgun, a militant Zionist group that operated in the British mandate of Palestine between 1931 and 1948. He recognzied immediatly what an ass-hole he had sired."

n/t.

Real Democrats don't compromise with the Devil.

and bending over.

He cares about his ratings, just like Limbaugh.

I for one have got your back on this one. Good job sir. Keep up the truthtelling.

go read Bad Attitudes, why he's no FDR

I just heard Senator Carper says that "he thinks Dr. Dean hasn't read the bill!! On MSNBC.

and that is vote with our feet....

after living though the Rancid Ronnie and the Bush Years with a very small glimer of hope during the Clinton years it has now become apparent that Obama is going to be a huge disappointment, well I am sick of it, I put my life on the line for a decade defending this country, I have worked for various liberal candidates only to find out they lost their backbone once elected so there is only one option left, leave the country.

I am ready to go, as soon as my affairs are in order I am heading to the Great White North, it may not be perfect but is a far cry better from what America is rapidly becoming.

I encourage more people to leave…what is the point in staying in a country that no longer represents my values any more?

NOT

more of the same from rich people running the show. I've been saying this for a long time, as long as there are rich people running this country the middle class is sunk.

K&R - all I gotta say. Yet another golden MSNBC commentary; the other one was Keith's regarding Fox News.

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I am so beyond rage at Obama I am numb. this is not the man or the policies I supported and voted for.
He has lost me.

That's the next thing Liberals need to understand.

The Democrat power structure ensures Liberal failure.

Figure it out or wait another year to catch on.

their escalation in Afghanistan and the Insurance Company Giveaway they supported.

I'm sick of the whole lot of corporatists. Of course, that includes ALL republicans, too.

This Progressive Democrat from Chicago has been says for awhile, Obama, Emmanuel, Axelrod et all are corporate machine politicians.

My fellow DUers, Obama, Geithner, Summers, Rubin are doing the business of business not of We The People.

It makes me deeply sad and angry that the man I worked months and months to elect was in fact a Vichy Democrat dressed ever so beautifully in "Change We Can Believe" in clothing.

I, for one, won't get fooled again.

And I am deeply grateful that Ed Schultz and Wendell Potter and Howard Dean and many others are telling these Corporate Vichy Democrats that we will not support this health bill without a robust public option.

This Progressive Democrat from Chicago has been says for awhile, Obama, Emmanuel, Axelrod et all are corporate machine politicians.

My fellow DUers, Obama, Geithner, Summers, Rubin are doing the business of business not of We The People.

It makes me deeply sad and angry that the man I worked months and months to elect was in fact a Vichy Democrat dressed ever so beautifully in "Change We Can Believe" in clothing.

I, for one, won't get fooled again.

And I am deeply grateful that Ed Schultz and Wendell Potter and Howard Dean and many others are telling these Corporate Vichy Democrats that we will not support this health bill without a robust public option.

stomped on the call to end the war, for real reform in health care, we've got the CORPORATE state of Amerika now...we're not united, we're under the corporate stranglehold more than ever.

This Progressive Democrat from Chicago has been saying for awhile that Obama, Emmanuel, Axelrod et all are corporate machine politicians.

My fellow DUers, Obama, Geithner, Summers, Rubin are doing the business of business not of We The People.

It makes me deeply sad and angry that the man I worked months and months to elect was in fact a Vichy Democrat dressed ever so beautifully in "Change We Can Believe" in clothing.

I, for one, won't get fooled again.

And I am deeply grateful that Ed Schultz and Wendell Potter and Howard Dean and many others are telling these Corporate Vichy Democrats that we will not support this health bill without a robust public option.

Good for Ed.

Like so many other Democrats, I have put in my time, energy, money, and votes into the Democratic party.

I do not do these things lightly. If the Democrats are going to only listen to those who pay them the most money, at the expense of even ignoring the Democratic Platform, I will state that I have been duped into voting people into office and that this has been a huge waste of my precious time.

Going forward, my time, energy, money, and commitment is going to people and organizations that actually deserve it!

I AM UN-ENROLLING FROM THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY!

I have always voted Democrat even though many times it has simply been the lesser of two evils.

No more. Actions speak louder than words. I am sick of politicians saying whatever it takes to be elected and then accepting goodies from the corporate lobby candy store and then answering only to them.

Prove to me you have the honesty, integrity, and ethics to deserve my precious time and resources.