TYT: Has Obama Decided Not to Do Health Care Anymore?

Run time: 05:31 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxYYvGWNk6g   Posted on YouTube: February 06, 2010 By YouTube Member: Views on YouTube: 0   Posted on DU: February 06, 2010 By DU Member: The Northerner Views on DU: 924

 

It's understandable the last Pres. a lot of wrongful things but Pres. Obama's motives are not with any malice or ill will to any citizen. Every move he's made so far I can see why he's made it for the grater good, but there some who take another perspective and feel he wants us all dead, well I almost get that impression. Like the appointment of Gates that was taken very harshly but if you look how he's done a very sensible choice, sure we would prefer not to have war but if this is where we are, he clearly is a vast step up from Rummie. Health care is not off the table in his tenure as he's stated it cannot be afforded to be left unaddressed. Cenk does make great points at times, but there's holding their feet to the fire and then there's throwing them in the fire. Sometimes all the President needs is our support to push congress than our criticism. We had a make believe 60 majority with Joe independent and some unhelpful conservative Democrats and here we are not really Barracks fault. If they are easing up health care the Dems are reassessing their options but it wouldn't take them anywhere to abandon it altogether.

Those who go out of their way to see criticism as wishing others dead.

I really can't understand fellow DU'ers who think this way. Honestly, I can't.

Until we stop talking past one another there is going to be no amends no matter how many critics get TS'ed or get themselves TS'ed.

The Obama quotes: http://www.businessweek.com/ap/financialnews/D9DMAF6O1.htm

You might want to watch TDS from last Thursday, Jon was talking to YOU.

After a great SOTU, and a week or two of tough rhetoric that followed, it's time for the party to start waffling again.

Soon, you'll see yourself alongside FDL and the Huffington Post for not being faithful to the party.

Better to be faithful to principles than to a party that has lost its way.

Good job.

I am too aware how issues are framed by this President and underwhelmed by calls for bipartisanship.

Might have to create a dungeon for the principles talk, it really is too radioactive and unwelcome.

I also hang out at the other site. I've decided to speak my mind here. Censors and the threat of a TS be damned. If DU is what it pretends to be, then open speech should be valued. If it isn't, then it's no big loss.

I meant it was a great speech from the perspective that the President is a great speaker. You could see the immediate rally around him by the Obama faithful, and some backing off by the critics.

I've seen a few things from him during the past few weeks that I thought were good. I'm waiting to see how they materialize.

But always in the background, nagging at me every time I want to think something good about Obama, are his failures to reject some of the most repugnant of the Bush/Cheney policies. I see the issue here as a lack of leadership.

The same problem of lack of leadership was evident in Congress. They lack the the courage to go around the veto process; they lack the courage to make the Republicans follow through with a veto threat; they lack the courage, because I think they're too wrapped up in it themselves, to challenge the system. Even the ones I like, such as Bernie Sanders, compromised embarrassingly at the end.

There are only two names in Washington that impress me: Grayson and Franken. The rest are, as Kurt Vonnegut said, "third rate leaders corrupted absolutely by absolute power."

As I have written before, my claws have been sharpened, my fangs are ready. I'm only waiting for enough sheople to grow fangs, abandon the mindless two-party flock, for a pack, and go hunting for the predators. (Metaphorically speaking, of course.) I think what we lack is a leader in the public eye who has been pushed beyond his or her limit and becomes willing to step outside of the system and rally people to challenge it. This kind of action, not the ballot box, has been the source of all significant moves forward in our history. The ballot box was a minor player during those times.

Sanders did get something for his support, as I understand it, expansion of community health centers, and that is more than I can say for my two Senators. I don't know what the current status is and I think HCR contains too many poison pills, but Sanders still works for us afaik. Did you see this?

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/12/21/817467/-14,000-Kennedy-Sanders-Cardin-Clinics-to-serve-45,000,000-Americans

25,000,000 more people served -- another $10-billion on-site, $4-billion personnel.

Sanders-Cardin makes the Kennedy CHC program the single best thing to happen for America's working poor since food stamps:

-- 14,000 total Community Health Clinics nationwide

-- Expanding capabilities

-- 45,000,000 people served

-- $$$$$ to attract 20,000 more primary care physicians

-- Drugs at VHA prices

-- Dental care

-- Patient billing scaled to income

-- 1/5th the cost of Emergency Room treatment

It's possible that pressure (not specifically from Cenk, but from the left in general) from those who interpreted the previous statements as 'walking away' or putting it on the back-burner resulted in these new comments a day later. Even if that's not the case, it's clearly possible, and all the more reason it's critical to provide pressure from the left.

The other option is to sit quietly and let the president ONLY be pushed from the right. That's proven to be disastrous, for obvious reasons. Now, we can debate the specifics, but this general concept is indisputable to me.

If they wanted to do something good that would be great policy and great politics, they could do it in a week. Just expand Medicare to those over 45 or 55. They don't need 60 votes.

If they don't do something along those lines, it means they don't want do what's right for the country - just what's right for the insurance companies.

Sorry if people don't like this, but if you're (that means anyone, politician or citizen) pushing for mandates without a public option and no price controls, you are not helping to make healthcare in this country better.

He'll be "for" healthcare again right before the 2012 elections.

- K&R

a great strategy, if Democrats hadn't been in the majority and in control of the White House, and the vast majority of the public hadn't been in favor of it. (Mandate? No! We must be bi-partisan!)
As it stands, it looks like they drug ass and refused to do anything that might offend the Pharmaceutical and Health Insurance industries. And it looks that way because that's exactly what happened.

Edited to add: What I'm saying is if we run on that, we're going to get creamed.