Dean: "people would rather see a strong health reform bill than bipartisanship"

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The VT Bennington Banner writes about Howard Dean's speech to Democrats in Vermont last week.

Dr. Dean’s prescription for health reform



Amen to the bipartisan remarks. Too much "bipartisanship" leads to one party rule.

and campaign contributions?

that's betrayal --

Obama et al "get it" and are working accordingly. They are not doing what we would like to do, that is a completely different issue. But assuming it is just a simple case of lack of acumen on the issue at hand is naive to the extreme.

Speaking of naivete, can progressives in this country stop acting surprised when a moderate-conservative enacts moderate-conservative policies?

"...can progressives in this country stop acting surprised when a moderate-conservative enacts moderate-conservative policies?"

I am so tired of having to explain the simple fact that Obama's not a liberal to people who just don't get it. At best he's moderate, but each day he's appearing more conservative & more corporate-friendly.

Sorry.... just saying.

... at least in my humble opinion.

Many questions are expressions of dismay and might seem a bit emotionally overwrought to be considered rhetorical but serve a similar purpose.

Additionally, there are less progressive democratic voters that are also starting to experience the disconcerting gap between actual change and what was advertised.

It's hard for many of us to wrap our head around a brilliant black man that pretends to be a liberal when all the while he is a corporatist. Sometimes it isn't naivete. Sometimes it's outright subterfuge.

Or that he adheres to a progressive political ethos. The guy couldn't say enough good things about Reagan during the campaign for crying out loud.

What he did, was to be vague enough to not stand for anything... while allowing desperate liberals in this country to project our expectations on him, so long as we were willing to cast our votes for him. Even in this forum, there were (and still are) tons of people who view that attitude, also known as "pragmatism" as a great quality in a politician. However, not being held accountable to any ideology for a politician, makes as much sense as having an agnostic pope. It reeks as usual of trying to have it both ways: get the liberal votes, without having to support a liberal political platform when in power.

I hate to go into the "i told you stuff" but i did tell them so ..over and over again..and they got pissed at me ..accused me of being ..well everyone who warned other dems about this ..know well what the accusations were..I don't want to think back at them...it was too disgusting..

Senator Obama was the most "liberal" senator based on his voting record. And the Public Option was his idea, his mechanism to deal with a lack of competition in the insurance industry. Is this not true?

We were perfectly reasonable to believe Obama was well left of center. When I vote for a Democrat I expect a Democrat. Why wouldn't I?

...of course.

BTW, Dean is expected to be a guest on TYT Thursday.

The difference between me and a younger Obama supporter is that I have watched the partisan rigidity and fanaticism on the other side grow over the years and know that hoping for cooperation with the other side is just a waste of time. Limbaugh and Gingrich are their heroes, and they are just so vicious, so anti-compromise. Democrats have to go it on their own. And if the balky four conservative Democrats refuse to compromise, they will not be re-elected. If we lose our majority, so be it. We certainly don't really have a majority now. It won't make any difference.

51 votes to pass -- let's stop begging for crums and go for

MEDICARE FOR ALL . . . now!!

and wasn't I just reading something that Gibbs headed up some DLC organization

working against him?

... even when Dr. Dean wins elections for them, Rahm Emmanuel et al are all too happy to be first in line to stick a knife on his back as a "thank you."

It takes two to tango and the GOP wont dance to save their own lives. As usual Dean is spot on.

Bipartisanship is a convenient excuse for Obama to not have to stand for anything. This is why it has become the end for this admin so far. And it is very very very dangerous when the means to achieve an end become the end itself.

if I didn't at least have this man and those in the congress fighting, I'd feel completely despondent.

So thank you once again Dean.

Still no public option.

Still a tax on middle class health care plans.

Still huge restrictions on a woman's right to choose.

Still special protection for drug makers who fight against Medicare drug price negotiation, reimportation and access to cheaper generic medecines.

Still no caps or restrictions on what the insurance corporations can charge it's MANDATED, CAPTIVE VICTIMS.

Oh, there is one "change" -- the bill forces you to pay an even BIGGER FINE if you don't buy the overpriced, under delivering products of the private insurance corporations.



If I had wanted to be treated this way, I would have elected Republicans.

:sarcasm:

I just saw a poll in that shows that young people who supported Obama are deserting. Young people 18 to 29 supported Obama 2 to 1 in the election. Due to Obama's ineptitude they have gone from 62% vs 30% for the GOP down to 54% vs. 40% as of last December. This represented the largest percentage-point jump in those who identified or leaned Republican among ALL voting age groups. Paul Taylor, executive vice president of the Pew Research Center said, "But a year and a half later, they show signs of disillusionment with the president- and, perhaps, with politics itself." As Matthew Dowd an independent political analyst said, "If you don't respond to their needs, hopes or dreams quickly, they're gone."

How long will it be before ALL ages groups desert?

And I do think it is among all ages --

Meanwhile, the right wing elites have worked since the '63 coup on JFK to take our

government, our democracy and the Democratic Party. It's been gradual in some ways,

but they've pretty much accomplished it!

We can begin to refer to "America" . . . "democracy" . . . and "Democratic Party" --

The coup demanded that they have a president in place and that they would begin to weed

out of Congress anyone who tried to challenge the coup, challenge the CIA, or the plotters.

And, needless to say, it also required that the Democratic Party be subverted, co-opted . . .

destroyed.

Nancy-Ann DeParle
Director, White House Office of Health Reform

P.S. I also invite you to take part in a special online video discussion with me today at 1:45 p.m. EST where I’ll answer your questions about the President’s Proposal.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/health-care-meeting?utm_source=34&utm_medium=email&utm_content=ps&utm_campaign=healthreform

Go Dr. Dean!!

:shrug: Just saying.......

But Dean is on the right track as usual.

recommended!

I'm afraid the list of mistakes is so long that now it's no longer possible to begin to correct them.

:cry:

Even if he doesn't have much of a shot of beating Obama in a primary, he should run just so his name is already out there for 2016.

I'm amazed he's still on the air --

heard him on the car radio earlier today --

Advocating NO MONEY for Democrats -- until we get Single Payer/MEDICARE FOR ALL --

PO . . .

Of course, no one wants a PO -- it's crumbs --

and I think we should stop begging for crumbs and get on with what we really need.

And, certainly, we should stop any flow of money to Democrats until they begin to

move in a liberal/progressive manner --

I'm with Schultz on that one!!

And, Rahm is probably sending out an assassination team right now!!

:evilgrin:

the air because he is wildly popular and making MSNBC money. Believe me, they don't like what he says.

Because when MSNBC -- GE/Microsoft? -- put Olberman on I couldn't figure out why?
GE is a very right wing company -- further to the right than Hitler.

And then Rachel Maddow -- and now Ratigan/? think I may have his name wrong, but
evidently he's on at 4pm -- and now Schultz --

But, I was listening to Schultz on the RADIO -- from 12pm to 3pm -- I guess still
Air America?

But coming back to GE . . . why would they be doing this --
and with the right wing it is NOT about $ or popularlity.
They took Phil Donahue off -- #1 -- and money maker.

I thought originally it was to kill Jon Stewart in his 8 pm time slot and I think
they succeeded in doing that. I always forget to tune in at 11pm.

Jon's now moved to 7pm --

The right wing knows that any iota of truth is an overall threat to them because so
much of what they say is lies.

they are putting profits ahead of ideology. Maybe?

and very unlike GE --

Most of the right wing stuff has run for decades on right wing wealth --

Scaife, etal.

GOP gave start up funding for the Christian Coalition --

Scaife and other wealthy right wingers financed Dobson's organization and

Bauer's organization.

US/CIA created the Taliban/Al Qaeda and worked to move VIOLENT Islamic teachings

into ME.

Most of their right wing organizations - Heritage/CATO -- etal are financed by

the right and ignore financial losses.

Neither were T-baggers a grass roots movement -- paid for project.



And, keep in mind the GOP "Brooks Brothers" fascist rally in 2000 to stop the

vote counting mandated by the Florida State Supreme Court.

All of it paid for by GOP --

And in a lot of ways they seem to be doing it.

The GOP agenda is simply to prevent the Dems from being successful. They have no other goals.

Great post.

:patriot:

Kinda hard to believe, isn't it --

Dean hit that nail right on the head -- "bipartisanship" as Obama is swinging that

club is hitting on Democrats and not on solutions!


MEDICARE FOR ALL --

Now -- not three years from now --

have to say about him, but FWIW to me... HE gets it about HCR! And, as far as I'm concerned, he ALSO GETS IT about other issues too!

He just calls it like he sees it, and that doesn't necessarily mean it's one side or the other! I would say however, he is speaking for many American citizens and just stated quite clearly where the HCR problem lies! WITH the WH AND Congress Critters!

I'm so very happy to see Dean speaking out like he is now. I was a little worried a couple of months ago when he seemed to be going along with "the plan" as it devolved down to the depths where it is now!

Glad he's found his voice and I say, I'm with you and happy to support you and your efforts to try to CLARIFY the REALITY of what's REALLY happening!

Again... Thanks Dr. Dean!!

:think: :bounce: :thumbsup:

However, this afternoon - earlier -- was listening to Schultz ... guess on what's

left of Air America???

Anyway, I'm amazed he's still on the air --

He's firing on the Democrats for what they haven't done and all the BS re 60 votes etal --

He's right -- it's all garbage, alibis to cover what they are doing for corporations/pharma.

And Schultz called Obama on that as well -- going right for it -- secret deals with pharm!!

And guaranteed protection for them from White House!!

Schultz is calling for NO MONEY FOR DEMOCRATS until they do what they should be doing --

MEDICARE FOR ALL ...

And, of course, Schultz is saying he doesn't want PO -- it's the least of it --

we need MEDICARE FOR ALL -- the rest is crumbs!!

As I was saying in another post, I'm sure Rahm has sent out a hit group to get him!!

Schultz has really done well on health care and a lot of other issues ---

2012 . . . Dean. . . Kucinich -- !!

Dump Obama if he can't begin to work the public interest!!

Schultz also did a nice job the other night on the shame of Obama "Arlen Specter" deal vs

.... can't think of his name . . . begins with an S... Stepak???

This IMO has RAA-UUUMMM's fingerprints ALL OVER IT!

Dylan Ratigan is on at 4:00 PM MSNBC and he has really impressed me! I think it's close to 3 months ago that he was on at 9:00 AM on MSNBC and I stopped watching the last hour of C-Span because Ratigan had his show!

Some of the Obama Cheerleaders have stated how much they dislike Ratigan, and using some very strong words to define him! Douche Bag and things of that sort. He has all kinds of people on, but many times Eliot Spitzer who along with Dylan really, really call out Geithner & Summers MOST of the time. Ratigan used to work for CNBC and did a lot of stock analysis from what I've gathered.

Today, at the end of his show he had a guy named Paul Hipp on who wrote a song called "We're No. 37" relating to where American stands world wide concerning Health Care. Need to find the YouTube clip because it's really something that needs to be seen! When Ratigan asked him why he decided to write this and do the YouTube thing, he answered with a question mark look, "I guess I'm a Socialist!" It was a great exchange, and the talk between them was very entertaining!

He's also had Ed Schultz on several times talking about health care, AND especially how BOTH of them want PO, but mostly something MUCH better than what's on the table!

Ratigan really doesn't suffer many fools and I know of one time recently where he actually apologized to Debbie Wasserman Schultz for "over-talking" her regarding Health Care. She was touting the present bill, he on the other hand was calling her out on it! It did get a little heated, but he was correct, however some thought he was too heavy handed with her. So on his next show he apologized for "how" it went, but not for what he said.

If you listen to Schultz, you most probably would hear Ratigan parroting the same information. He does it in his own way, as Schultz does his own thing!

So, enough... I like the guy!

Dylan Ratigan is on at 4:00 PM MSNBC and he has really impressed me! I think it's close to 3 months ago that he was on at 9:00 AM on MSNBC and I stopped watching the last hour of C-Span because Ratigan had his show!

OK -- I'll try to keep it in mind to tune in --
Meanwhile, I still can't figure out why MSNBC -- GE and Microsoft/????? --
have given us Olberman/Maddow and Ratigan? Can you figure it out?
GE has always been a right wing company -- more right wing than Hitler.

Some of the Obama Cheerleaders have stated how much they dislike Ratigan, and using some very strong words to define him! Douche Bag and things of that sort. He has all kinds of people on, but many times Eliot Spitzer who along with Dylan really, really call out Geithner & Summers MOST of the time. Ratigan used to work for CNBC and did a lot of stock analysis from what I've gathered.

That's well deserved -- Rahm, Geithner, FED guy whose name escapes me at the moment --
Summers -- should all be kicked out. And, sad to say the way I feel about Obama right now, he
could go, as well. Look at this entire year wasted!! And, "Democrats" re-funding the Bush wars
since '06 election!!
Know what you mean about those here who are aghast at any criticism of Obama.
it's nonsense of course, but we see it with Nader, with Jane Hamsher -- and many others.
Don't know if they're naive or DLC? But I would think one or the other?
And at this point, the disillusionment and disappointment is so vast that it's noticeable here,
IMO -- and in the wider world. Undeniable!

"I guess I'm a socialist!" -- me, too -- thanks for the story.
And, sadly, we've been #37 for like 15 years or more!!
GOP's "third world America."

I used to be very pleased with Wasserman-Schultz, but on closer look . . . not any more!

Thanks -- and will keep in mind!

This Administration has promises to keep - few of which involve anything but loyalty to the Big Money Party that rules UBER ALLES.

I take great pride in the fact that I disagree with these selfish hypocrites.

Fuck 'em.

The GOP douchebags will just have to live with guaranteed health care, they might need it when they don't have a job (which may be sooner than they think).

And fuck the advocates of bipartisanship that go against the will of the voters only to please their corporate masters.

his Republican uber-capitalist sympathies.

He puts a new gloss on the Republicans' rather sacriligious plagiarism/adaptation of scripture. It's not a matter of, 'If you're not for us, you're against us, but rather, 'If your not against us, you must be for us. Join the party.'

and its reform...

bills, get me laid or tip my fucking hat!

Howard speaks for me!

We need someone with backbone!

K & R

I would do the Dean Scream in a heartbeat if it meant anything.