TYT: Oil Spill Kills Obama Energy Bill (According To Senator It's 'DOA')

Run time: 03:53 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wP-pCzILmbk   Posted on YouTube: May 01, 2010 By YouTube Member: TheYoungTurks Views on YouTube: 4813   Posted on DU: May 01, 2010 By DU Member: ihavenobias Views on DU: 1355

 
Summary: Cenk talks about how the oil spill disaster led Senator Nelson to say the energy bill is 'Dead On Arrival' (two NJ Senators are also opposing any plan with offshore drilling). Also, the ONE Republican that claimed he might support it (Lindsey Graham) is using immigration as an excuse to bail. You can http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/30/bill-nelson-energy-bill-w_n_558465.html|read more here>. Finally, Cenk explains how corporate America wins.

PS---The Guardian wrote a great article about TYT that includes which Senator refuses to be interviewed by Cenk again and more!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/apr/26/cenk-uygur-young-turks|Guardian Article (Which Senator Blacklisted TYT?) >.

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the healthcare bill is LAW! It went through! Since when is a bill DOA just because it will have to change during the process?! It's not even written yet, Cenk! How can it be dead?!

NOT!

For healthcare, it's not that 'something' passed, it's a question of how good (or bad) the final product is.

Even the strongest supporters of the bill conceded it has major flaws (many of which exist because of countless and unnecessary concessions to a party that was NEVER going to support it regardless). Critics (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7933996|myself included>) warned that leaving the private insurance industry as strong as ever would mean that outrageous premiums wouldn't decrease. The fact that they're scrambling after the fact to http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/21/health/policy/21health.html?ref=todayspaper|push something through to control costs> is absurd, since access to affordable care was supposed to the point of the bill.

The pre-emptive offshore oil drilling concession was hailed as a masterstroke by some but we see quite clearly now it wasn't so masterful. And by the way, don't worry about waking up Cenk, worry about the Senators discussed in the video and article I linked to. They're the ones who actually get to vote on legislation.

by about 3 or 4 votes in the House. You like it or not it was either this or nothing, ie. a defeat for democrats and Obama. Now, if you don't like it, you should do everything in your power to put in more democrats and more progressives in Congress, especially because this is a redistricting year and elections will have a decade long consequences on bills of all sorts.

I remember Cenk at Air America, he always sounded like a libertarian, now everybody seems to think he is a progressive, whatever. I just point out the fact that it's bat shit crazy to call a bill dead before it's written, ok?! can we at least agree on the "sky is blue" level of basic reality here?! Or that's just too much for Cenk fans....

About offshore oil drilling: it aint over till it's over.

there's a link to my blog about the worst case scenario on healthcare reform. I'd say you should read it to understand my position but I'm not sure it matters.

TYT on Air America was quite a while ago so that couldn't be less relevant, might as well say Huffington Post is right wing because Arianna was a Republican a decade ago (or that Kucinich can't be trusted on choice issues because he used to be 'pro-life'). And again, Cenk is just reporting the story, he didn't write it. Can we at least agree that it was a Dem Senator that said the bill is DOA? And that two Senators in NJ are refusing to sign on to anything with offshore drilling, that the one (R) who was supposed to back the plan is backing out and that in conclusion, the offshore drilling pre-emptive concession was a flop and not a "masterstroke" game of chess?

You know, it's a "sky is blue" sort of thing. ;)

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Other than dissing your president and your party, do you have a plausible idea?! this is what happened in the 90s too: people threw the democrats under the bus, they didn't offer any popular support or positive ideas and we ended up where we did because of that. I am sad to conclude this, but as a european american (meaning I was actually born there and not that I am white) I am disappointed at both the left and the right in this country. It seems to me that both sides offer arcane metaphysical arguments akin to "how many angels can stand on the head of a pin" and no pragmatism at all. I am now watching the debates on derivatives going all the way back to 1994-1995. It's astonishing how little support progressives got in the media and from the public while their fate was decided by corporations. Most of this stuff that's destroying families today was decided at the ballot box in 1994 and not with the Glass Steagall in 2000. It was decided because Clinton failed to close the deal on health care.

Big difference. I care a hell of a lot more about ideas than individuals. I'm not for or against something simply because of the letter next to a name. That's the mistake Republicans made for years with Bush, and the few sensible ones that spoke out got the same in-party anger and backlash. We shouldn't be making that mistake.

The solution is not to make costly concessions unnecessarily when it's incredibly obvious that the Republicans will NOT support anything this administration or party does.

The End

A strong and effective leader Obama is not. We have droves of "Democrats" just so giddy that he's left of Dick Cheney they get all pissy when you point out what a pussy Barack has been. Hey we got "a" "bill" !!!! Wow! If you have to explain to these dupes what happened to single payer and with pharma and their holy man, Barack you might as well forget it. It won't matter. Get in line behind ze pahty!

Fuck off!

Let's get off this short bus Democrat pride.

Off shore drilling - BIG FUCKING MISTAKE! SHOULD NEVER BE SUPPORTED!

If you want your president to be more progressive, push the country and the party to the left, and please stop whining while you pretend you are some kind of righteous rebel or misunderstood prophet of our time, it's pathetic!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZLlnF1rJGE

your recollection of it is a bit odd.
What I remember is people constantly demanding liberals support policies they hated because liberal policies were just around the corner. That line only works for so long.

Liberals get no support from the media because we're considered fringe. It doesn't help that our party helps to push that line whenever they get the chance.

..Obama had stuck to his campaign promises. His "liberal" campaign promises about protecting the shores by not allowing off shore drilling?

The shrill screaming by Palin, Hannity, Limpballs and others would have reached a frenzied level in the days leading up to the oil spill. And then after the spill, the silence would be even more deadening than it is today. His "I told you so" wouldn't have to be said out loud, but its truth would be ear shattering.

The Democrats now have to own part of that devastating spill. Which binds their hands. Just like the Iraq war authority bill, the Repubs will now deflect criticism of their support for off-shore drilling by exclaiming "Both parties wanted it"

Off shore oil drilling would not have been in a bill that the pre-election Obama was willing to sign. That bill would not be in danger of losing support.

Obama makes it twice as hard on himself with this 'trying to please everyone but pleasing no one' way of working.

But after the short-term political fallout from this disaster subsides (which will probably happen before they've even blocked the flow of oil), in the end offshore drilling will probably end up continuing to increase. Obama's all of the above approach was just as bad when it was McCain's campaign platform as it is now, but now it looks even worse because we're seeing the devastating consequences of offshore drilling. Yeah I know, Obama's the chessmaster, but I think we're allowed to be disappointed and distraught. That doesn't mean we have to stop fighting or let the Republicans win, but what's the point of having a Democrat in office if we're unwilling to pressure him politically and just let the Republicans do all the pressuring for us?

K&R

Exxon Valdez, Chernobyl, Three Mile Island, Great Barrier Reef Spill, Deep Water Horizon Spill, etc. etc. etc. Human error will eventually negate any fail-safe systems that does not fail on its own.

This is the first bit of good news I've heard in
a while.

( outside of the Laker win last night)

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