TYT: Scary Report - Anti-Govt Militia Movement Growing

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Summary: Cenk talks about a disturbing new report by Reuters on militias. You can http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE63R2O020100428|read more here>.

PS---The Guardian wrote an awesome article about TYT that includes which Senator refuses to be interviewed by Cenk again and more!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/apr/26/cenk-uygur-young-turks|Guardian Article (Which Senator Blacklisted TYT?) >.

I became interested in them for the simple fact that I couldn't believe just how gullible some of these dumb f*cks could be. Yep. Some real champion geniuses there. Anyway, they talk a good line of crap but it always gets down to what they believe. They are kluckers (KKK) who hide behind some Constitution bu$hit. All of them. Now, when it came down to some political commentators saying that you didn't see any black people in the militias, one just happened to get elected as "leader", then that militia disbanded. I imagine in the background you could hear, "Ain't no N..... going to be my commander". That's for real. I believe it happened in Ohio.

Anyway, the gun sellers had them all pumped up about Obama taking their guns when he was inaugurated. Then, they passed around the rumor that Nancy Pelosi was passing a law that would increase tax on ammunition 500%. That's why sales of assault rifles and ammo went through the roof in late 2008 and all of 2009. The conservanazis like druggie limbaugh and goofy-assed beck got the wingnuts all stirred up.

It's all a racist thing.

Here's the reasons why they are having a hard time with the country and how it's going.
They couldn't believe Caribou Barbie and More-of-the-same McInsane didn't win the presidential election. Then, it had to be rigged.
Then, to top it off, a black man won. Why, he's not even American! Also, he's well educated.

That's a lot for some racist rednecks to chew on. :kick:

One correction:

The spike in gun and ammunition purchases, which is still ongoing, was not driven by gun sellers, nor by the NRA. If they had the power to alter sales in such a fashion, surely they would have done it before now.

The spike in sales is due to some very simple things:

1) The last time we had a Democratic president we had the Assault Weapons Ban.
2) Reinstating the Assault Weapons Ban was part of President Obama's campaign platform, and is still visible on www.change.gov under urban policy. It was also on www.whitehouse.gov under urban policy for the first few months of his presidency.
3) Reinstating the Assault Weapons Ban is part of the current Democratic Party Platform.
4) President Obama's Attorney General, Eric Holder, called for re-instating the Assault Weapons Ban in February of 2009.

Firearm owners are simply looking at past history and the words of the people currently in power and taking them at their words.

Re: the ban on assault weapons. What earthly use does anyone not considering something felonious have for a true assault weapon unless like the Swiss you're part of a more or less permanent ready reserve? For home defense something like the Saiga semiautomatic.410 bore shotgun is a far better choice.These twit's thinking all seems to be based on a belief that the military would revolt along with them and they'd not have to face trained troops equipped with heavy weapons,armor, and air support.Fantasy warriors who've spent too much time playing video games and listening to Oxyrush Limpballs, Glennda the Beckerhead, and who've never seen first hand the effect of a high velocity round on the human body.I don't recall any socially negative effects of the ban on assault weapons.

What earthly use does anyone not considering something felonious have for a true assault weapon unless like the Swiss you're part of a more or less permanent ready reserve? For home defense something like the Saiga semiautomatic.410 bore shotgun is a far better choice.These twit's thinking all seems to be based on a belief that the military would revolt along with them and they'd not have to face trained troops equipped with heavy weapons,armor, and air support.Fantasy warriors who've spent too much time playing video games and listening to Oxyrush Limpballs, Glennda the Beckerhead, and who've never seen first hand the effect of a high velocity round on the human body.I don't recall any socially negative effects of the ban on assault weapons.

The second amendment was not primarily about personal self-defense; It was mostly about securing the freedom of the states, though being able to defend oneself personally is certainly a prerequisite for living in a free state.

The intent of the founders was to have a decentralized military system made up of citizens armed with contemporary infantry-grade small arms, so that they could eliminate the need for, or at least counter the military power of the central federal government.

Contemporary infantry-grade small arms today are weapons like the AR-15 and civilian variants of the AK-47.

The argument that insurgents cannot prevail against technologically superior opponents I have addressed many times in the past. There are several examples in modern history where this has occurred. Vietnam vs. the USA. Afghanistan vs. the USSR. Mogadishu vs. the USA. Iraq vs. USA. Afghanistan vs. USA.

In all these cases save the last two, which have yet to be resolved (but I have no doubt the USA will end up pulling out in defeat), technologically inferior forces prevailed against technologically superior forces.

To be sure, small arms are only a part of any military action. But since no army, large or small, has dispensed with them, they are obviously still an essential part of any military action.

"Assault weapon" is scare-speak for the post popular civilian rifles in the United States. It has nothing whatsoever to do with actual military assault rifles, which are restricted as tightly as howitzers and shoulder-fired missiles by the National Firearms Act of 1934.

You're not talking about banning military infantry weapons; you're talking about banning the most popular centerfire target rifles and civilian defensive carbines in U.S. homes.


Ummm, the Saiga you speak of is an "assault weapon" according to the Brady Campaign, the VPC, and AWB supporters, since it is a self-loading shotgun with a detachable magazine.

The "renewed and expanded" AWB, H.R.1022, would have banned your Saiga example three different ways---because it is based on the Saiga action, because it accepts a detachable magazine, and because it is distantly derived from a design originally developed for military purposes:



FWIW, most "assault weapons" are small- and intermediate-caliber rifles, not high-powered guns. Compare .223 Remington (AR-15) to .270 Winchester sometime, or 7.62x39mm to .30-06.

You must live in a part of the country where gun sellers don't advertise, though I can't imagine where that would be.

Where I live, they capitalized on Obama's election bigtime. There were endless ads for gun shows, sporting goods stores, etc, on the tv, radio and in print, essentially exhorting people to buy guns and ammo "while they still can." Scare tactics to get people to buy. Totally irresponsible.

And now guess what I'm seeing? More bullet-riddled road signs, scrap metal, cans and smashed bottles along with spent casings all over our National Forest and the BLM land than I've ever seen before. The idiots have more ammunition than they know what to do with.

I say that because you said it as good (if not better than) I can. There's as much racism JUST under the surface as there was 50 years ago. The Neanderthals of our time are all to eager to grab their clubs and kick some dark-skinned butt. At the very least, put them in "their place".

I'm wondering which will occur first: The total melding of the ALL races to where we're all a soft brown color - or some galacto-clysmic extinction event that makes it all irrelevent anyways! :crazy:

I wish some virus would come along that would turn everyone blue.

munitions manufacturers have made since Obama was elected. It must be astronomical.

Firearm and ammunition sales are at all time highs.

As they say, no one has done more to further the second amendment that President Obama! :)

or is it just me?

These people want a certain type of person to be in control of society. You know what they look like.

1. We will NOT obey any order to disarm the American people.

2. We will NOT obey any order to conduct warrantless searches of the American people, their homes, vehicles, papers, or effects - such as warrantless house-to house searches for weapons or persons.

3. We will NOT obey any order to detain American citizens as “unlawful enemy combatants” or to subject them to trial by military tribunal.

4. We will NOT obey orders to impose martial law or a “state of emergency” on a state, or to enter with force into a state, without the express consent and invitation of that state’s legislature and governor.

5. We will NOT obey orders to invade and subjugate any state that asserts its sovereignty and declares the national government to be in violation of the compact by which that state entered the Union.

6. We will NOT obey any order to blockade American cities, thus turning them into giant concentration camps.

7. We will NOT obey any order to force American citizens into any form of detention camps under any pretext.

8. We will NOT obey orders to assist or support the use of any foreign troops on U.S. soil against the American people to “keep the peace” or to “maintain control” during any emergency, or under any other pretext. We will consider such use of foreign troops against our people to be an invasion and an act of war.

9. We will NOT obey any orders to confiscate the property of the American people, including food and other essential supplies, under any emergency pretext whatsoever.

10. We will NOT obey any orders which infringe on the right of the people to free speech, to peaceably assemble, and to petition their government for a redress of grievances.

they loved Bush's fascist tyranny

It's a movement of police and military personnel that started under the Bush administration, mainly because of that administration total lack of respect for the laws and constitution of this country.

The republican party is dangerous

it's not Dungeons & Dragons they're playing- Red Dawn is hard core right wing fantasy. You can almost hear "God bless America" and "Thank God for the NRA" under every line of dialog.

is there really a need for militias in modern America?

They may have been deemed necessary at the time of the Second Amendment but is there really a need for militias in modern America?

Has the basic condition of humanity changed since then? I think not. Power still corrupts, and absolute power still corrupts absolutely. Our founders were very afraid of concentrating too much power in any one part of the government, which is why it was created as a series of checks and balances in every institution. This included the military.

Imagine how many imperialistic wars America might have avoided if it did not have a central standing army to call upon? If all the states had to operate in concert to effect them?

A hypothetical premise on what could have happened if there wasn't a central standing army doesn't explain why militias are necessary now. Unless your answer is to disband the army and just let militias replace it?

Apart from extremist right wing paranoid fantasies about President Obama putting everyone in FEMA concentration camps or the UN taking over America, what do militias really have to offer that the National Guard and Army don't?

A hypothetical premise on what could have happened if there wasn't a central standing army doesn't explain why militias are necessary now. Unless your answer is to disband the army and just let militias replace it?

Apart from extremist right wing paranoid fantasies about President Obama putting everyone in FEMA concentration camps or the UN taking over America, what do militias really have to offer that the National Guard and Army don't?

The militias of the founders' day no longer exist, they were federalized in 1903 with the passage of The Dick Act. All that remains are the armed people who make up the Unorganized Militia as provided for in the Dick Act and numerous State Constitutions.

These armed people serve the same purpose today as they did in the founders' day: They are the ultimate reset button for the nation. They provide the people with the means to resist oppression from without or from within.

The National Guard and Army are not counters to federal military power, they are adjuncts to it.

America has to rely on extreme right wing paranoid "end times" nutjobs to be it's reset button? Fuck that!

Are you a member of a militia? If so, it must be the only Liberal militia in America. Unless you're not a Liberal, that is.

America has to rely on extreme right wing paranoid "end times" nutjobs to be it's reset button? Fuck that!

Of course not. All American citizens that have not been convicted of a disqualifying felony or adjudicated mentally incompetent have the right to keep and bear arms.

It is a right and responsibility that falls to all of us.

Are you a member of a militia? If so, it must be the only Liberal militia in America. Unless you're not a Liberal, that is.

Per Federal law, I am an able-bodied man aged 17-45 not otherwise in the organized militia (National Guard) and thus I am, in fact, in a militia. Many states have similar provisions in their Constitutions.

As for being a Liberal, I have voted Democrat since 2006, though many here would no doubt not consider me progressive enough for their tastes. I am pro-choice, pro-single-payer health care, anti-war-on-terror, anti-patriot-act, anti-corporatism, pro-environment, and pro-firearm, to choose a few labels. I tend to be anti-union, though I concede that the masses unable to differentiate themselves from the herd may require some protections from corporations. I support academic testing to judge education effectiveness, though do not feel that you can hold teachers accountable for students who are unmotivated to learn.

Label me as you will.

From what I've read there are huge groups of people who support this NWO/End times conspiracy that involves the antichrist, the illumanti, freemasons etc whose agenda is a world-wide totalitarian government. When Obama said he believed in "spreading the wealth" they went nuts. The religious wingnuts saw the anti-christ, the secular crowd saw Stalin, Marx or Hitler. Any extremist will do. The bigots heard Farrakhan's endorsement and went ballistic. The rest who just hate democrats in general were always there.

Throw in Jeremiah Wright who said..'gd America' and the boiling pot is now volcanic. Add Alex Jones with the Pat Robertsons, the Rush Limbaughs and Glenn Becks you have a recipe for a dangerous mindset of people who feel so threaten and on the edge that it pushes them to the end of rational thinking. They want Obama gone. He's a muslim, he wasn't born here, he's a racist..on and on.

When I googled 'conspiracy websites' the return was: Results 1 - 10 of about 2,840,000 for conspiracy websites.
They're out there alright.

that the anti-Obama rhetoric here at DU is part of what feeds this? People here see the racial undertones in the teahadist movement (despite vehement denialism from "organizers") but fail to see that our own anti-Obama and anti-Democratic Party rhetoric is part of this too?

Where's the logic in our own denialism?

I would say the vast majority of progressives aren't pushing "anti-Obama rhetoric", rather some are (rightfully) unhappy with certain administration decisions. This should always be kept in the context of the fact that there is constant, hard pressure from the right wing and corporations.

Removing strong pressure/criticism from the left pretty much takes a 5% chance of real change and makes it 0. Not to mention the fact that pressure from the left makes the administration seem more moderate (makes it harder to argue that Obama is a radical left winger), which incrementalists should love. If anything, pressure from the left REDUCES the effectiveness of the right wing smears for this reason.

of President Obama..it's just a few haters who are gonna get their hate on matter what and use any little excuse to rage on him.

He's doing an amazing job and again the vast majority are appreciative of that.

But you also have a lot of apologists for the haters.

themselves.

And they feed off each other too.

The teahadists I know deny the connection between racism and militia and brag about how they're not political and how many Democrats they include in their movement.

I have noticed that there is an odd group who calls themselves "Democrats" but buy into every single rightist canard. I'm not sure what their connection is to this, but they do exist.

I just had it out with one of my teahadist friends who denies that she is a racist or that her teabaggery has any connection with militia or violence against the government. She posted something on her Facebook wall about how she met Sarah Palin at her recent teabaggery thing and I posted "Spill Baby Spill." She then launched into some kind of tirade about how horrible I am for blaming the spill on Sarah Palin. I wrote back that I didn't blame the half governor for the spill, that wasn't the point. She then launched into several more tirades about how that wasn't her fault either. Not sure what that meant, but then she deleted my posts on her wall and sent me some kind of PM about how I shouldn't post that on her wall and how it would be like her posting something about Obama on my wall.

And this person is one of the most rational teahadists whom I know.

???

These teahadists are a cancer and we progressives need to be more cognizant of how we may be feeding these trolls.

I personally don't know anyone who is a fan of racist teabaggers with their birther craziness or their 'socialism/communism/marxism' idiocy.

As for pseudo-Dems, they're a huge issue, particularly those who confuse corporatism with being moderate. Unfortunately most of the MSMS perpetuates this false idea that being regressive or pro-corporate (at the expense of the middle class) is being "moderate". For example, the "moderate" Senators who were against a public option who coincidentally took large amounts of money from the health care industry, etc.

It's a wedge. It confuses us and gets us to take our eyes off the prize.

I would say that the number one issue to most militia members is the second amendment. Their entire existence revolves around being armed.

Thus the primary reason for the surge in militias since 2008 is simple: in 2008, with the election of President Obama, that right became threatened. People saw that:

1) The last time we had a Democratic president we had the Assault Weapons Ban.
2) Reinstating the Assault Weapons Ban was part of President Obama's campaign platform, and is still visible on www.change.gov under urban policy. It was also on www.whitehouse.gov under urban policy for the first few months of his presidency.
3) Reinstating the Assault Weapons Ban is part of the current Democratic Party Platform.
4) President Obama's Attorney General, Eric Holder, called for re-instating the Assault Weapons Ban in February of 2009.

Now, as it turns out, thankfully, President Obama's administration has taken a decidedly hands-off approach to firearm rights. But I don't think anyone, least of all militia members, thinks that the actual sentiment has changed yet.

As for emergency preparedness. You may poo-poo the idea of emergency preparedness, as well as any of the scenarios that have been listed as reasons for being prepared. But personally, I think it's a great idea. I believe that the fabric of our civilization is extremely tenuous. Katrina showed just how quickly things can degenerate. We live in the era of terrorism. I believe it is extremely likely that we will see a major nuclear or biological terror attack on the United States within my lifetime. All it will take is one such attack on a major urban center, like, say, Atlanta, and then a phone call to CNN saying there are 5 more weapons in other major US cities. It doesn't even have to be true. Those cities will dissolve into chaos. Food and fuel will be consumed within days, and no supplies or fuel will be delivered in except maybe under military guard, as no one will be willing to go in. People will attempt to flee the cities, and looting and lawlessness will prevail as all turns to chaos. This will be quickly followed by economic devastation.

You had best be able to provide for your family if that comes to pass. You had best be able to defend your family if that comes to pass.

It downright scares me...and the Tea Party plays a huge role in fueling it. Check out this report from "Democracy Now!" for an even more probing look.

http://www.democracynow.org/2010/1/11/white_power_usa_the_rise_of