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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 10:53 AM
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TYT: Students Can't Wear American Flag On Cinco de Mayo
Edited on Fri May-07-10 11:20 AM by ihavenobias
 
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Posted on DU: May 07, 2010
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Summary: Cenk (who's fired up) and Ana discuss how students were sent home for wearing American flag clothing on Cinco De Mayo at a California school. You can http://www.ktvu.com/news/23470391/detail.html|read more here>.

PS---The Guardian wrote an article about TYT that includes which Senator refuses to be interviewed by Cenk again and more:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/apr/26/cenk-uygur-young-turks|Guardian Article (Which Senator Blacklisted TYT?) >.
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X_Digger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 11:06 AM
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1. Agree 100% n/t
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Baalath Donating Member (90 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 11:19 AM
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3. Doesn't that worry you that they'll try the reverse on July 4?
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X_Digger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 11:21 AM
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4. Nope, that's protected speech too.
Edited on Fri May-07-10 11:26 AM by X_Digger
I'd support mexican-american citizens wearing their flag on 7/4 as well.
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AtheistCrusader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 11:41 AM
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7. Same here.
Wouldn't even think twice about it.
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exboyfil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 06:31 PM
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27. Yes Mexican-Americans - Their flag
which is the flag of the United States of America if they are Americans (U.S. citizens).

I don't see an issue if folks also want to display another flag if it is for historical/cultural identification, but it should never dominate the U.S. flag under any circumstances in this country. If you feel otherwise, then I suggest you return to the country of your allegiance.

Cinco de Mayo is equivalent to St. Patrick's Day, and I see lots of U.S. flags flying in those parades. While many Irish flags are also present, the U.S. flag dominates the proceedings as it should in the U.S.

Respectful display of the U.S. flag within the U.S. should never be banned.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 11:40 AM
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6. I doubt they will try it on July 4th unless they have year round school.
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howard112211 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 11:18 AM
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2. I get it. However thinking about those flag loving morons getting dissed makes me chuckle.
Edited on Fri May-07-10 11:25 AM by howard112211
Oh well, they got the news story that they wanted, so I guess everything is fine now.

Yeah I suppose I agree the principle overstepped and should have let them have their shirt.

But yet, that "this is America so an American flag should be fine" line is unnecessary. The flag is
also a symbol of genocide and aggressive warfare. You can't take the killing of the natives and the Iraq war out of the American flag, as little as you can take the swastika out of the German flag.
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snake in the grass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 03:13 PM
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21. Perhaps you haven't looked recently, but...
...the German flag doesn't have a swastika.



Bitte schön!
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howard112211 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 05:42 PM
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26. LoL. Yes I know. Metaphorically. By the way, I am half German.
Danke schön.
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snake in the grass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 11:39 PM
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30. Bitte sehr!
;-)
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 11:39 AM
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5. Why are so many school administrators so ef n stupid?
And why are schools endorsing a Mexican holiday that has nothing to do with American history? They should rather provide a week showing how Mexican/Americans, Hispanic/Americans have played an important part in American history.

If students want to wear clothing related to this holiday. Fine. But they should not dictate students that they must or cannot wear apparel because it doesn't fit in with the holiday. It should be voluntary if a student wants to wear Cinco De Mayo related clothing.

I'm wondering if they have similar policies on St. Patrick's, Bastille Day, or other holidays of other countries?
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20score Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 11:51 AM
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8. Seems a lot of school administrators have trouble thinking.
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YouGotRondod Donating Member (29 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 01:12 PM
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9. This is stupid
No one even celebrates Cinco de Mayo in Mexico. Its just another bastardized American holiday.
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border_town Donating Member (191 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 01:29 PM
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10. What I think is sad
Is these kids were encouraged by their parents to use the American flag as a tool to antagonize certain group of people. That is pathetic. I bet the parents sue the school for millions.
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totodeinhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 01:41 PM
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11. Why should the American flag antagonize anyone?
For Christ's sake, it's the flag of our country.
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border_town Donating Member (191 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 02:29 PM
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15. Oh come on
They knwe what they were doing when they put on the clothes that morning. I am sure it was the first time they even wore that stuff all year. Why now? Why wear those things at this point in time? I agree that it was over blown but that still does not disprove the reason behind the clothes. Which is sad to me. You don't have to agree, it is just my opinion.
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totodeinhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 03:06 PM
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19. OK, for the sake of argument, let's accept your premise.
OK, you say they knew what they were doing. But why would they think that wearing the American flag would be antagonistic to anyone in the first place? I just don't get it. And if it is antagonistic to Mexican students, then why is that? Why should they be antagonized by the flag of the country they are living in? And why should there be any conflict between the American flag and Cinco de Mayo? Why can't the flag and the Cinco de Mayo celebration get along with each other? I don't think that either one is exclusive of the other.
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border_town Donating Member (191 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 03:24 PM
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22. That is my point.
In this case, it is obvious why they were all of a sudden being "patriotic" Why now? I would love to know how many times in the past these students wore these same outfits to school. There is a million other ways to be patriotic. I consider myself patriotic and I don't even own a piece of clothing with an american flag on it. Maybe these kids should have been encourged to show their "patriotism" by volunteering for their community instead.
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The Northerner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 02:57 PM
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18. +100
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DWinNJ Donating Member (147 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 01:44 PM
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12. It's Acorn's fault
check out the clip at 1:25
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DWinNJ Donating Member (147 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 01:54 PM
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13. I agree with TYT
If the clothing is acceptable the rest of the year that shouldn’t change because it’s Cinco de Mayo or any other holiday.

The kids who wore the flag were not just innocently choosing that clothing randomly. All the better, let them identify themselves as Teapartiers in waiting.
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libodem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 02:13 PM
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14. Flag boys got profiled
How'd they like it?
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totodeinhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 03:09 PM
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20. What does the American flag have to do with profiling?
Of course you are talking about the Arizona law. But wearing the American flag is in no way an endorsement of the Arizona law. After all, that flag existed long before anyone ever even thought of the Arizona law.
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ejbr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 02:35 PM
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16. Those who complain only diminish
Cinco de Mayo by giving the choices of others more weight than the importance of their own holiday. If Cinco de Mayo is so great, then it shouldn't matter if a few kids decided to wear American flags. The part that irritated me most was when the girl said, we wouldn't wear the Mexican flag on the fourth of July, to which I respond, "who gives a shit if you do?!" And where the f*ck were all the Mexican flag colors? Although I am not Mexican, I would have at LEAST worn something symbolizing Cinco de Mayo if it really mattered to me!
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thatsrightimirish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 02:50 PM
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17. Ridiculous!
What, did they not hang the American flag up that day either? Newsflash: YOU LIVE IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!
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samrock Donating Member (501 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 03:53 PM
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23. I live in Morgan Hill

A little perspective here most do not know.. There has been a history of fights breaking out at that high school between Mexican/American students and white ( so called cowboys).. Some fights have resulted in serious injuries.. I think the administrators were wrong, but I understand where they were coming from.. and what would be the story now IF they had not stepped in and some student got serious hurt??.. I have heard reports that not only were these kids wearing shirts with the flag but also taunting and being provocative..
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Capitalocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 04:53 PM
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24. I agree that they should be allowed to wear the shirts, but...
I can't come down so hard on the administration because it's not unlikely that these kids were literally looking for a fight.

These kids are probably just some racist little shits.
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 05:18 PM
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25. I totally agree with Cenk - it was stupid of the Principal to make an issue of this
It is the American flag, dammit. It is my flag too.
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 09:05 PM
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28. Cenk's right
They've been having conniptions about it on Faux and they magically made it Obama's fault: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3k-68iq16U
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teknomanzer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 09:30 PM
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29. American of latin descent checking in here...
Edited on Fri May-07-10 09:32 PM by teknomanzer
This was totally out of line on the part of the administrators there. All this is going to do is give wingnuts ammunition to say that liberals want to ban the American flag. I don't really care what the student's intentions were as I do not find the flag of my country offensive in any way shape or form, because no matter what anyone else may believe or wish, I am in fact an American through and through until the day I fade away. Anyone who has adopted this country as their own should feel the same way.

Edit to add: These days school administrators are only concerned with covering their own asses regardless of how stupid their decisions are.
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