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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 01:01 PM
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MSNBC: Dylan Ratigan Guest-Hosting The Young Turks (5/27) & New Obama Plan, Immigration Law...
Edited on Wed May-26-10 01:43 PM by ihavenobias
 
Run time: 07:08
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzrM-SzDQfA
 
Posted on YouTube: May 24, 2010
By YouTube Member: TheYoungTurks
Views on YouTube: 21505
 
Posted on DU: May 26, 2010
By DU Member: ihavenobias
Views on DU: 3501
 
Ratigan shares the news at the end of this clip where Cenk and another guest discuss Obama's alternative to the line item veto, AZ immigration law and a newly announced Fed protest in Washington.

Ratigan's Latest Blog: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dylan-ratigan/mr-president-defend-ameri_b_590123.html?ir=Daily%20Brief|Mr. President, Defend America>

Cenk's Latest Blog: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cenk-uygur/ask-goldman-sachs-to-give_b_586828.html|Ask Goldman Sachs to Give it Back!>
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Capitalocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 01:17 PM
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1. K&R nt
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 01:32 PM
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2. I saw that when Cenk was on his show
That's big news, an MSNBC show anchor guest hosting TYT, that's great news. Hittin' the big-time!
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Royal Oak Rog Donating Member (506 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 01:47 PM
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3. It's exactly why I don't watch your show anymore
Less and less of guys like Wes Clark Jr. or Ben Mankiewicz and more of Dylan Ratsagain, really Cenk is just a new style republican, can you say I'd sell my soul to make the big time, I know Cenk can.
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 01:50 PM
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4. Ben Mankiewicz was on last week and he's guest hosting today and Friday.
Edited on Wed May-26-10 01:51 PM by ihavenobias
And Ratigan has done a damn good job on financial issues on his show, but that's IMO. Maybe you're watching another show.

PS---Wes Clark Jr has been busy. You know what they say about people who make assumptions...

;)
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Royal Oak Rog Donating Member (506 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 01:56 PM
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5. No
Edited on Wed May-26-10 02:01 PM by Royal Oak Rog
Same show. I know Cenk has some progressive views, but he's so borderline republican on many issues that I can't take him anymore. I think my last straw was when I saw him on a movie review of "Exit Through the Gift Shop", he was just so appalled by "street art" and how they mess with the establishment.

If the price was right, Cenk would take a show on Fox News, now tell me I'm wrong?

PS I got rid of cable so I don't have to hear guys like Dylan Ratigan.

PPS Thanks for the tip on Ben I'll watch tonight and on Friday.
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 02:14 PM
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9. Huh?
He's not big on art in general (which you can disagree with), it wasn't an "establishment" issue. Have you ever watched Ratigan's show? As another poster noted, he rails against unchecked greed and bought politicians. What more do you want him to do other than not be on MSNBC (in which case you should also take issue with Olbermann and Maddow).
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Royal Oak Rog Donating Member (506 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 02:33 PM
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14. Rewatch the review
Edited on Wed May-26-10 02:49 PM by Royal Oak Rog
It was too an establishment issue. The "he's not big on arts" is weak. As far a Ratigan is concerned, well he's to the left of "Morning Joe", but that's not saying much.
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 02:42 PM
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19. Not a very compelling argument. On the other hand
Edited on Wed May-26-10 02:43 PM by ihavenobias
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dylan-ratigan/the-cost-of-corporate-com_b_312516.html

"...those powerful individuals who have failed, been passed over by technological advancements, innovation and flat-out smarts, have commandeered our government to unfairly sustain their wealth and power.

Unfortunately, they use our wealth and laws not only to benefit their outdated, failed companies, but also spend a small pittance of their ill-gotten gains lobbying and favor-trading with politicians so the government will continue to protect them from competition and their well-deserved failure.

The massive spike in unemployment, the utter destruction of retirement wealth, the collapse in the value of our homes, the worst recession since the Great Depression have all resulted directly from the abdication of proper government..."


Those commercial breaks don't make it any less true. And if these are the words of a corporate sellout/corporate shill/corporatist, we're using different dictionaries.
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Royal Oak Rog Donating Member (506 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 02:48 PM
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20. I don't pay attention Ratiagan
Edited on Wed May-26-10 02:50 PM by Royal Oak Rog
Didn't he work for CNBC before he got his show? That tells me all I have to know. It's not like I'm gonna have objective argument with you about Cenk anyway, I mean he's your boss. To quote him; as far as progressives go he's turned into some mighty weak sauce...IMO
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 02:54 PM
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21. Thank you for proving my point.
You're ignoring an article where he blatantly rips the establishment (and countless videos and shows where he does the same). Then you when you realize you can't refute my argument with specific examples of corporate bias (etc.) you resort to trying to undermine my credibility.

Feel free to post the articles or clips that prove Ratigan to be a corporate shill. In the mean time everyone else can skim his blogs here and make up their own minds:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dylan-ratigan
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Royal Oak Rog Donating Member (506 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 03:06 PM
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22. That's pretty dumb
You cherry pick what a guy say's and therefore that makes him a progressive. You can do that with every cable anchor out there including half the dopes from Fox.

Cable news is the worst, even MSNBC, that being said I'll still listen to Olbermann and Rachel they are the exceptions.

Dylan Ratigan makes it on no one's list of progressives

If Dylan Ratigan is a progressive then "Morning Joe" is a middle of the road, and no I won't go through the trouble of cherry picking remarks.

I just don't like how Cenk appears to sell his soul at every turn to get on the network, it's sad.

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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 03:13 PM
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23. Last comment
I posted a link to all of his blogs and encouraged people to read them. That's the opposite of cherry picking. In fact, I encourage you to read through them to find evidence that supports your opinion.

Nice double standard on Olbermann/Maddow BTW since your only evidence against Ratigan is that he has commercial breaks. If Olbermann was guest hosting TYT you'd keep quiet because, er, um...you like his show better (rhetorical question)? And in that case he wouldn't be 'selling his soul' (again, rhetorical question)?

The End
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Royal Oak Rog Donating Member (506 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 03:45 PM
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26. Well that and the fact
that Olbermann or Maddow didn't come from CNBC. Again I don't know about Ratigan, nor is anyone else from the progreesive sphere quoting him. This really is more about Cenk anyway. The only thing I can say absolutely for sure is that you are a paid lobbiest for Cenk.

I noticed you never denied that Cenk would not sell out if the price was right.
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 04:00 PM
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27. Keep digging.
Edited on Wed May-26-10 04:00 PM by ihavenobias
I was a fan of the show for years before I was hired, not the other way around. Also, he's denied contracts for more money because they meant ending the show as we know it.

Next time try facts instead of personal attacks if you want to convince anyone other than yourself.
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Royal Oak Rog Donating Member (506 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 05:26 AM
Response to Reply #27
43. A friend of mine once said somthing about marketing
"By the way if anyone here is in advertising or marketing... kill yourself. No, no, no it's just a little thought. I'm just trying to plant seeds. Maybe one day, they'll take root - I don't know. You try, you do what you can. Kill yourself. Seriously though, if you are, do. Aaah, no really, there's no rationalisation for what you do and you are Satan's little helpers, Okay - kill yourself - seriously. You are the ruiner of all things good, seriously."

I don't feel exactly like Hicks, but everytime you come in here and lobby for ideas which you get paid for you cheapen the board.

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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 12:20 PM
Response to Reply #43
53. seriously... give it up. Most here Appreciate both Cenk and ihavenobias
go harrass somebody else.
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 04:11 PM
Response to Reply #23
30. You Know... If Some Here Watched Him REGULARLY They Might
realize that he is really not taking sides! I KNOW he's had on some RW'ers, but I've seen him give them a lot of grief too!

What I SEE from him is that he's TRYING to shine LIGHT on PROBLEMS, and IF that includes the likes of some of our DEMOCRATS... then SO BE IT!!

There are PLENTY of DEMOCRATS who have turned me off of late!! Are they ALL working for us these days? I DON'T THINK SO!!

And this IS my LAST comment on him!


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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 11:30 AM
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52. He's as aplotical, fair, and balanced as any single personality in cable 'news'. n/t
Edited on Thu May-27-10 11:50 AM by Subdivisions
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 05:45 PM
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34. Ok, so it wasn't the last. n/t
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DRex Donating Member (531 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 07:24 PM
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37. Ever since the Netflix thing went down...
TYT has been in the pocket of big DVD!

How do you sleep at night Tom? On a bed full of free rentals?

Lol...
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theFrankFactor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 11:26 AM
Response to Reply #37
62. LOL!
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dchill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 03:31 PM
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25. Yeah, he worked for CNBC, and that's where...
he started to get angry and yelling about Wall Street becoming nothing but a gambling casino that uses taxpayer money without risking any of their own. In other words, he didn't fit in there, anymore. You should check into his backstory, because working for CNBC is not all you really have to know. You need to know more about anyone than that to constructively or correctly slam him. And it's spelled Ratigan.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dylan_Ratigan
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pattmarty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 06:12 PM
Response to Reply #14
36. Why the fuck don't you enlighten ALL of us here on your "leftist"...........
............views on important issues like education, civil rights, police powers, rights of corporations and all the other mundane/unimportant things going around your sorry ass.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 08:14 PM
Response to Reply #36
38. * cricket noise * cricket noise * cricket noise * cricket noise * cricket noise *
Are you at all surprised?
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pattmarty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 10:41 PM
Response to Reply #38
40. It's just what I figured, an instigator.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 04:22 PM
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33. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
icee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 02:04 PM
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6. I agree 100%. I now have as much use for Cenk as I do Ratsagain. I
think the hidden text here is that corporate money is finding its way into the Turk's hands. That Ratsagain is a champion manipulator.
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CherylK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 02:10 PM
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7. ...
Edited on Wed May-26-10 02:10 PM by CherylK
:eyes:

Ratigan rails AGAINST the big banks!!! Where do you guys get this stuff??
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Royal Oak Rog Donating Member (506 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 02:17 PM
Response to Reply #7
10. Now, that's funny
I saw you just edited corporations for banks. I think you just proved my point. Ratsagain is a corporate sell out, I'll pass.
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CherylK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 02:21 PM
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12. LOL!
Banks is more specific. Please explain how Dylan is a corporate sellout and be specific. Calling him stupid names like Ratsagain does not really prove your point in any way!

:evilgrin:
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Royal Oak Rog Donating Member (506 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 02:31 PM
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13. How bout the
five minutes of corporate interuption between every story? I've seen Ratigan a couple of times, I agree with icee he's progressive like Obama's a progressive. Is Morning Joe a progressive? I'll bet he's railed against the big banks on his show at one time...I don't watch him either.
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CherylK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 02:35 PM
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15. So you have 0 examples....You just hate that he's on TV!
Colbert and Stewart must be corporate sellouts too in your eyes....

:popcorn:
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Royal Oak Rog Donating Member (506 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 02:40 PM
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17. Stewart at times
Colbert never. You're not exactly discerning in who you call a progressive. I calls em' like I see's em'. Just because you lobby for Cenk doesn't mean I have agree with his every move. I don't agree with this move, it stinks.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 04:08 PM
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29. OMG! You mean to tell me his show has ... commercials!?!?


Oh, and dude? Mix in a spell check once in a while. You'll look marginally less freeptardish.
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icee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 02:17 PM
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11. Not really. He appears to rail against big banks. But to each his/her
own. He is doing the same thing Obama did to get elected President.
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pattmarty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 04:18 PM
Response to Reply #3
31. Are you fucking high?????
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provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 10:09 PM
Response to Reply #3
39. I see we've got another DLC paid clown masquerading as a progressive.
Save it, fuzzball. You aren't fooling anyone. If you don't like progressives like Cenk and Ratigan, stop going Orwellian by calling them Republicans. Your DLC panties are showing.
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theFrankFactor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 11:29 AM
Response to Reply #39
63. Nailed it!
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 02:10 PM
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8. K&R
That is great news!
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libodem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 02:38 PM
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16. These banks
and their bailouts, what a racket. The rich get richer and the poor...get babies.
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20score Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 02:41 PM
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18. Very cool!
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 03:17 PM
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24. Ratigan f'n rocks -- and so does Cenk. big kick and rec!
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 04:05 PM
Response to Reply #24
28. nashville_brook... I'm A BIG Ratigan Fan... I Don't Understand What Some
people are missing here?? I really don't! He's been "eyeballing" so much of the financial crisis for so long now and routinely has Spitzer & Cenk on to discuss it!

Now, he fuming about the GUSHER and somehow he's an ass! And to those who will bash me for my support of him, don't bother...I've heard it before!

JMHO!!
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 04:20 PM
Response to Reply #28
32. at some point he must have (gasp!) disagreed w/the big O on something
that's a big no-no.
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theFrankFactor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 05:52 PM
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35. Jealous Much? - Cenk Doesn't Suck Obama's Balls So He's a "Republican"?
Edited on Wed May-26-10 05:59 PM by theFrankFactor
So much idiocy! Cenk is going where the MONEY IS!!!!!!!?????? You absolutely MUST have your head up your ass to say such a moronic thing. This place HATES Cenk because he is outside the puppet show that so many here are in love with!

I have really learned a lot about my party since Obama the Corprocrat took the reins. Real Progressive values are doomed. Too few have the brains or balls to stand up for what is clearly right and proper for such values. Weak kneed cheer leaders that hide behind Obama's coat tails.

This place will be completely pulled out from under our asses by corporate power and the damage will be HUGE. All because "Liberals" can't fucking fight their way out of a wet paper bag. The sixties will not happen again. The populace is doped with propaganda instead of weed.

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jennied Donating Member (547 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 11:20 PM
Response to Reply #35
41. Perfectly said.
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 02:12 AM
Response to Reply #35
42. Mr. FrankFactor, that last sentence is the truth, sadly.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 06:50 AM
Response to Reply #35
44. eggactly FF. have you seen this?
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 08:16 AM
Response to Reply #44
45. GREAT Dailykos Article!! Yes, I'm Still With Dylan & Cenk & His Bunch
of "groupies" BECAUSE they ARE trying to shine the light on REALITY!

Of course repeating myself won't help, but wanted to respond with MY support once again and keep this going!!

And again, I don't understand why being informed is SUCH a negative trait!!!
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 09:12 AM
Response to Reply #45
48. it's even better read out loud -- :) -- CLAP FOR TINK! she might not make it thru the night!
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 10:10 AM
Response to Reply #48
50. Good Old Tinker Bell... Fables Are Fables! Guess I'm In The Water
or walking the plank these days!! Captain Hook must be waiting for me!!
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spiritual_gunfighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 08:48 AM
Response to Reply #35
46. I learned a lot about our party when Obama took office too
Like all those people we on DU constantly railed against, the people who supported Bush no matter what he did, Katrina, Iraq, torture, US Attorneys, it was all okay to those people because their guy was in the WH. Now it is the same exact fucking thing on the left, it is totally pathetic and honestly I didnt see it coming. I thought there would be more "feet to the fire" moments from us collectively.

I should have seen it coming but I didnt... either that or these people are all DLC shills, posting in a smokey room somewhere in DC.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 09:10 AM
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47. amen.
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 10:07 AM
Response to Reply #46
49. HOW Could You Have Seen It? Yes, I KNEW He Was To The RIGHT Of
me, and I've posted this many times... but NEVER did I think it would be THIS way after almost TWO YEARS!

I don't WANT to feel as I do, I would be MUCH happier to join the KUMBAYA Chorus, but I still HAVE to look in the mirror almost every day! I feel as you do... following behind someone who is essentially like a Pied Piper must not be in my DNA!

Maybe I only react to what's NOT being done, what promises that seem to have broken and not looking for the pluses, but right now the NOT GETTING DONE is outweighing the WHAT HAS GOTTEN DONE!!

JMHO!!

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theFrankFactor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 10:57 AM
Response to Reply #46
51. Truth!
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Royal Oak Rog Donating Member (506 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 08:30 PM
Response to Reply #35
58. You're clueless
Dylan Ratigan and Cenk Uyger are the Obama to truly progressive shows like "Democracy Now". You are totally misunderstanding what I'm saying, Cenk is selling out to the cable stars. I think Dylan proved that tonight.
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theFrankFactor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 11:22 AM
Response to Reply #58
60. My Bad, I Thought Calling Out Obama Wasn't Mainstream.
Because it's not! So Cenk isn't Amy Goodman and therefor all he's doing is repeating MSM talking points? Please!
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big lu Donating Member (152 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 12:50 PM
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54. K&R ..
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 06:16 PM
Response to Reply #54
55. You can watch live 5-7pm PT/8-10pm ET tonight with these links...
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Royal Oak Rog Donating Member (506 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 08:24 PM
Response to Reply #55
56. I even tried to watch a little
and it was totally disastrous. I don't think Dylan will be filling in for Amy Goodman any time soon. Want to know why that is? Because she's not whoring herself out to get on cable TV, she has principles. I think Dennis Cao from your forum said it best:

"Dylan Ratigan Guest Host-- Epic Failure

posted by Dennis Cao

Weee what a big show event Dylan Ratigan is guest hosting this must be awesome!

Not. Instead of Dylan going off on random issues and any other entertaining action he talks in a monotone to extremely boring guests.

The first guest talked not about washington, oil, or politics but instead about "cognitive resonance"... seriously I almost fell asleep.

The second guest... code pink. This may have made for some entertainment seeing how crazy the group is, but instead we get question-lame answer-question-lame answer-agreement-thanks-question-lame answer.

How boring can this get"

Maybe you guys can try for Cambell Brown next week. I hear she's a hot new progressive that's out of a job.

Yea Ihavenobias that's a real progressive show you're shilling there!

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CherylK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 08:30 PM
Response to Reply #56
57. LOL
Someone is super jealous!!! Give it up already, stop spamming this video!

:silly: :dunce: :spray:
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Royal Oak Rog Donating Member (506 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 08:33 PM
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59. nope, just someone
who's not on the payroll. Did you watch that epic broadcast tonight? What progressive television! LMAO!
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theFrankFactor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 11:25 AM
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61. Holy Shit! Cenk isn't Amy Goodman! C'mon man, really?
Desperate much?
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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-10 08:38 AM
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64. Congrats! ":D
Sorry, I'm to late to rec.. Been on vacation and celebrating my 27th anniversary!!!
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