FBI start targeting Peace Activists in the USA

Run time: 10:00 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zm3ukOBwuXc   Posted on YouTube: June 11, 2010 By YouTube Member: 91177info Views on YouTube: 1297   Posted on DU: June 12, 2010 By DU Member: arcadian Views on DU: 2105

 
Wow! Police State USA!

What a couple of dumb-ass feds those two are.

Nothing new about the FBI investigating anti-war groups though. We had Cointelpro in the '60s. I have a pamphlet from the '50s, put out by the House Un-American Activities Committee that lists every peace group that existed at the time. The HUAC existed from 1938 to 1975.

My original ( never lost/ replaced) birth certificate, was adequate to get me a passport in '55, 68, & 87.....................
Now all I want is a passcard to get across the Canadian border & back...................NOPE! The N J birth certificate doesn't have the DATE IT WAS FILED. It DOES have my BIRTH DATE! Not only that but I paid $20. too much for the passcard I can't have, until I spend MY TIME & TREASURE to send for a new B C from Trenton.. Will it be any different? If the state doen't require the filing date, what happens then?
I didn't have my passport with me when I initiated it, at the PO. Hopefully if I show that they will give me a refund.

to sneak off to Canada and come back any old how? Without letting die heimatslandsicherheitsamt know? for shame.

They are Robert Gates, the Secretary of Offense and his commanders in Afghanistan for starters!

Clearly in cahoots with BP.

Our Pentagon, and our CIA.

Most of everyone in Congress and the WH.

Every person who has ever enabled Depleted Uranium to be used in our "NATO-led" attack against Serbia, against Iraq, and in Afghanistan.

Climatology experts know that whatever comes down on the land at any spot in earth, whatever part of it doesn't embed itself in the soil ends up in our atmosphere. Then, within FIVE DAYS it is distributed equally to every spot on earth from the penguins in Antartica to the polar bears in the Artic Circle and all spots in between.

Breathe deep, earthlings, the air you breath could be Depleted uranium dust.

If you are scared, the best to do is to to do like this lady.
But do you think all FBI agents are bad people? Most are just doing their job.
And their visit can be an opportunity to do exactly what people do at demonstrations: try to convince other people about your cause.
Of course that is only true if you don't NEED to use the 1st.

And if FBI Agents are directed to interrogate activists who are clearly not terrorists do you know what a "good" FBI agent should do?

Refuse to follow those order and expose any and all FBI orders, directives and activities that clealy violate our constitutional rights.

In any case, follow the advice. Copy down their identification information and ask them if they would like to have an "on the record" meeting with you in the presence of an ACLU or National Lawyers Guild attorney.

If you don't have an attorney contact the ACLU or NLG and they will help you.

And just follow the advice of your civil liberties attorney if the FBI should agree to such at meeting. The chances of that happening are somewhere between none and zero.

In any case, don't answer any political or personal questions and don't try to convert them to your political views.

It ain't gonna happen!

I think they'll leave you alone after that!

but she degrades her complaint about civil liberty violations by bringing the Israel occupation concept into the fray.

I have no respect for the simpletons of the FBI. However exposing their foolishness should be the main subject material. Not as a side issue to supporting Hamas.

If I had to choose between Hamas and the FBI?

I'll take our Feds. Not by much but by a little.

In my mind that is the same as complicity. Hamas LOVES video displays like this. Helps them recruit more rock throwing little kids. Ever growing cannon fodder for future generations of Gaza victims.

Now granted I don't think that she is about to blow someone up. Not like the supposed "Al Qaeda" types. However she degraded her very useful video by making it effectively a "Death to Israel" photo-op.

Best to stick to one thing and do it well kiddo

And claiming it is totally dishonest. Just like claiming that recording a really bizarre and out-there visit by the FBI is a "Death to Israel" thing.

Dissing Israelis for acting in self defense directly supports Hamas.

The main reason that conflict has gone on so long. Again, this woman is carrying water for the wrong reasons. Her expose of the FBI is all well and good except that she draws the Palestinians drama into the act. This devalues her goal.

Sours the whole video.

I think yr having massive problems comprehending that most people don't have any issue with Israel when it acts in legitimate self-defence. But there are many things it does that aren't self-defence by any stretch of the imagination.

What's happening to the Palestinians isn't a mere 'drama'. What Israel has done to them is very wrong, though I suspect you think that anyone saying that must be supporting Hamas. And what don't you understand about the fact that the only protests this woman had ever attended were ones protesting Israel's actions towards the Palestinians?

No good can come to them prior to that. Thus supporting Hamas, as the O/P does just drags the violence out over and over.

You can actually trust the Israelis. Somewhat anyway. Isn't like they are barbarians with no sense of justice. They have some credibility. Hamas are simply hostage takers. Holding the Palestinians for ransom.

The more the "squeeze" tightens up Gaza? The less rocket attacks hit Israel. No other solution has helped Israel. Thus all solutions that encourage Hamas and diss Israel are doomed to fail.

I support the squeeze. 100%.

That's a big picture where Israel gets excused for anything and everything it does. And painted by someone who 100% supports the collective punishment of the population of Gaza and who defends the killing of innocent Palestinians in the name of 'self-defence'...

No, I can't actually trust the Israelis. Why are you trying to peddle an extreme bunch of right-wing hardliners including fascists and those who advocate expelling all Arabs from Israel and the Occupied Territories? I'd call those sort of people barbarians with no sense of justice, wouldn't you?

'squeeze'? Have you got any more harmless sounding euphemisms to trot out to try to justify the collective punishment and abuse of Palestinians?

and loathe the thoughts of those who jump on the bully train.

It's like D/U'ers have lost the ability to think outside the pack mentality. When it comes to Israel that is.

"the collective punishment and abuse of Palestinians?" is caused by Hamas's refusal to recognize Israel and look for a two state solution. Thus those who see Israel as the bigger problem advocate more war. Which is your position whether you know it or not.

No one is sending rockets into your mom's house. Or the park across the street. However I assure you you that if or when this does happen you will scream bloody murder and demand massive retaliation.

I guarantee it. Future hypocrisy.

Opposing the occupation and daring to criticise Israel when it does the wrong thing is NOT supporting Hamas, nor is it supporting more war. And there is no pack mentality at DU, though I notice that you have a habit of regularly slagging off DU. If you look at threads about the I/P conflict, you'll realise there's a wide variety of opinion on the issue....

So yr admitting that Israel is engaging in collective punishment and abuse of a civilian population? btw, trying to blame someone else for what Israel is doing is like a rapist trying to blame the victim for getting raped...

No one is sending rockets into your mom's house. Or the park across the street. However I assure you you that if or when this does happen you will scream bloody murder and demand massive retaliation.

So then you'd understand it if Palestinians are screaming bloody murder and demanding massive retaliation? Or does yr 'compassion' only apply to Israelis?

not because of any religious idea. merely because they are there. Several million people trying their best in one of the worst neighborhoods on the planet.

At times i kinda wonder why anyone would want to live either there or in the Occupied territories. I wouldn't fight to save Gaza. Or even certain parts of Richmond, California. Not worth saving...


You have to get realistic in order to understand the equation. No Israeli politcal leader could elected dog catcher if he/she ran on a campaign of allowing Hamas to rearm and blow fucking holes any time and everywhere they wanted to. Thus the Israelis retaliate massively for which I reluctantly concur.

I don't like it. Wish to hell it wasn't necessary, but it is a situation that is demanded by Hamas.

Hamas is the one asking to get whacked. .

Conversely Hamas is only capable of using non military weapons of terror. A few rockets may kill civilians (and often does) but has no effect at all on the armed forces of Israel. Thus the only purpose of the rocket attacks if to generate the expected (necessary) Israeli massive counter attack.

Hamas is the one making a career of the hostage situation. These hostages include ALL the Palestinians people. They LOVE it when their people get killed. Hamas encourages ever growing numbers of women, children, and old people to work as human shields in their sickening disgusting game.

So we squeeze the people into rejecting Hamas meanwhile making sure that those assholes don't load up with rockets and other weapons of war. Sending a clear message: The only true progress you will make is through renouncing Hamas and supporting a two state solution.

And it works! that's the beauty of it. Only when Hamas has it's back to the wall do they sue for peace. It took Arafat a while to finally figure this out. But even that corrupt ugly bastard had sense enough to look for a negotiated solution. The current generation is, frankly kinda stupid. Either that or they like to profit through war. The whole "victim game" Show pictures of wounded Gazans and get exposure through the media to create MORE victims and so on and so forth.

We all should be sick of their stinking game. So i support Israel. 100%.

And it's absolutely revolting that such ugliness is being displayed here at DU by you.

I hope one day you gain the compassion and empathy needed to be able to move beyond such a blinded and hateful view and you'll be able to see that the lives of Palestinian civilians are every bit as valuable as that of Israelis.

I'm sick of the stinking game of Americans like yrself who are so extreme that there's absolutely no room for moderation in their hyped up uber-nationalism and their mindset that Palestinian civilians are nothing but faceless pawns and their suffering isn't worth worrying about at all...

As for yr nonstop carry on about Hamas. I'd actually believe you if you hadn't gone and shown yr blinded support for the extremism and hatred of the current Israeli govt, who, btw, just LOVE it when their own people get killed...

You do not have very good debating skills. You always seem to take the 'freeper' side of issues. But I know a secret about you. You just forget to add the sarcasm icon every post. That's it, right?

That's right! Making fun of them is nothing more than an ugly bullying attempt to destroy Israel. Stop it! Now! You anti-Israel bully! ;)

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really is no need for her to have to pick the FBI over anyone for that matter. Israel is probably fine with her being dead just like Israel is OK with Rachel Corrie and other US peace activists that were slain by the Israeli Military. Or the guy in Dubai that was assassinated illegally. Or the many ambulance drivers who died from Israeli missiles and babies too. And then there is the men onboard the US Liberty who were murdered by the Israeli military. And the FBI seems not too much worried about who they serve either. Horiuchi ring a bell? He was a crack shot that somehow missed and killed a woman holding a baby and then lied about it in court.

FBI DIRECTOR LOUIS J. FREEH TODAY ISSUED THE FOLLOWING STATEMENT:

"We are very disappointed that the court concluded that further fact finding is necessary, especially given the prior court decisions in favor of Agent Horiuchi.

"We have the utmost respect for the process, however, and will continue to support Agent Horiuchi and his family as this litigation continues.

"As so often happens in law enforcement, split-second life and death decisions must be made by those sworn to enforce the law. We continue to believe strongly Agent Horiuchi met the legal standard that protects law enforcement officers when they carry out their sworn duties, even when the consequence in hindsight is regrettable."

http://www.fbi.gov/pressrel/pressrel01/freeh060501.htm

This woman is both brave and smart.

...silet in 5th amendment not 1st as I understand it.

...have asked what property or accusation brought this complaint under the FBI rather than state, county or local police.

be likely to incriminate her. And as I see it the freedom of speech allows me the free speech of not saying anything.
It is the rogue government that committed the crime of torture and the rogue government that allows those crimes to go unpunished. And it is the director of the department of Justice that is not bringing those crimes to court.

...constitutional scholar but doesn't the 1st amendment enjoin the government from making laws that abridge the 5 rights therein. It is directed at limiting the government not granting rights to individuals. If it was then a business owner could not ask you to leave if you decided to scream obscenities. And when being questioned by any police force they are seeking to incriminate someone. OH and BTW I don't know if she has any info that would incriminate her but since I bet her knowledge of of all the laws of the US is about a slim as mine so remaining silent is best.

that I have or will be doing some crimes. Using it is like saying that you are guilty of something or will be. And those FBI seem to be on a fishing expedition. Those agents were not even investigating crimes done but were fishing for an admittance that there will be some in the future.
It all seems like an attempt to intimidate a protester into silence for somebody's hidden agenda or worse.

to get people they ID'd at protests in trouble.

The FBI has to follow up on these calls, regardless of how outlandish they might seem. The Agent seemed quite apologetic and embarrassed about being there.

I think the problem lies elsewhere.

This is the very important point she should have stuck to. Rather than dragging a secondary/flawed cause into the fray.

Her advice to close and lock door behind her is sound and very important. Ditto invoking fifth amendment. She also does well to mention that lying to federal agents will put you in the slammer.

She did very well. Again except for bringing the secondary issue of the Palestinians problem into the video. Devalues much of the show.

I would bet that they assign people to follow the protesters back to their vehicles to get their tag number, which they can use to get a name and address.

Firstly, it was the agent that pointed out the flag in her window and so started that conversation.

Secondly, it was an opportunity to educate a fellow American. Hell, I didn't even know about the $7,000,000 a day.

Thirdly, it put her reasons for activism about I/P out there in a clear way, and IMO helped give credence to that activism. (ie. she wasn't just a shit-disturber)


It seems you just felt devalued by having to listen to the "other" side of the argument on a YouTube video.

Kudos to nurse mom for having some backbone, but this is not a good example. Everyone needs to review key procedures when encountering police. There are only two phrases to memorize, because talking to police is politically pointless and legally dangerous.

1) "Am I free to go?" (Remain calm and repeat as needed. 'Yes' means you walk away.)
2) "I'm going to remain silent. I want to speak to my attorney." (if you are taken into custody, this must be re-affirmed after you say anything at all - 'May I have some water,' 'I need to use the toilet,' anything...which you should avoid.)

That's it - no talking with cops for any reason. As for your living space, never re-enter your home after opening the door and finding police present. It's an opening for the premises to be searched on a pretext. Exit the house, locking the door behind you. Please relate this advice to everyone you know. Police routinely lie in the course of their work and do not exist for your protection. These are simple ways to minimize legal exposure while practicing all your political rights. (see also Katya Komisaruk's "Beat The Heat" and check YouTube for similar advice.)

Hopefully none of us will need it. It is sad that our country has come to this.

I thought things would be much different under an Obama White House. In this case in terms of our civil liberties, things have taken a turn for the worse for us poor citizens.

This advice is for all seasons and is based on the nature of police in the US and not just some passing crisis.

perhaps BP?

:sarcasm:

All this will get worst before getting better.I'm almost surprised that they didn't grabbed the camera and pushed her inside for a more "aggressive" interrogation.But if all this continues to escalate it will happen.

I feel pity for the FBI agents "just doing their job," whether they know what they are doing is wrong or not.

I applaud this woman's composure! I'd be seething and very upset and agitated if I were in the same situation! Very educational and this shows how important it is to know your rights.

The FBI can legally lie to you to get information, but if you lie to them it's a crime? That's really good to know!

Another thing that's good to know is that your local military recruitment office can legally lie to you when they're selling you on signing up for the armed forces.

What kind of country do we have where law enforcement and perhaps other government agents can legally lie to you? How the fuck are we supposed to believe anything an FBI agent says to us?

Nice, huh?

-90% Jimmy