Hostile Teabaggers attack me as I ask questions at Glenn Beck Rally - PART 2

Run time: 10:37 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFGUcA06DVY   Posted on YouTube: August 29, 2010 By YouTube Member: VRAdmin Views on YouTube: 0   Posted on DU: August 29, 2010 By DU Member: ThirdChoice Views on DU: 4396

 
Watch the lady at the end who doesn't want to admit that Reagan was also a commie Marxist for bailing out Chrysler.

They were right about Ford not getting a "bailout", but they were wrong about GM...GM has paid the loan back and both GM and Ford are now posting profits.....

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omg... so ignorant...

fits. stupid. these people are stupid. aargh.

Where in the bible does it say that if you don't work you don't eat? The last guy gave me a headache. The government can force you to buy auto insurance but can't force you to buy health insurance? And how can they say a man with 2 kids is pro abortion? I have never heard Obama say to go out and get an abortion. I think this headache may be a migraine.:hangover:

...talking to rightwingers makes your head hurt, its like a bad trip. Their twisted and incoherent NON-logic makes your head spin.

there is none... they talk in a pattern of dissociative thoughts loosely coupled together. It's ignorance on steroids.

...they call that "word salad." Perhaps in other areas, as well.

gave me a headache. Those people bought into every single piece of right wing misinformation.

Washington is known to have made some official statements of public piety, but this is not one of them. Though this assertion is very widely reported to have been said in Washington's Farewell Address (17 September 1796), this is not actually the case, as any search of the documents would reveal. It has also been presented as having been part of his Proclamation on January 1, 1795 of February 19th, 1795 as a day of national Thanksgiving in this form:

It is in an especial manner our duty as a people, with devout reverence and affectionate gratitude, to acknowledge our many and great obligations to Almighty God, and to implore Him to continue and confirm the blessings we experienced. It is impossible to rightly govern the world without God and the Bible. It is impossible to account for the creation of the universe, without the agency of a Supreme Being. It is impossible to govern the universe without the aid of a Supreme Being. It is impossible to reason without arriving at a Supreme Being. Religion is as necessary to reason, as reason is to religion. The one cannot exist without the other. A reasoning being would lose his reason, in attempting to account for the great phenomena of nature, had he not a Supreme Being to refer to.

In the above paragraph the italicized portion appears to be entirely bogus, and there is no actual record of such a statement ever having been made by Washington.
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/George_Washington

Later, I'll spend some time Googling for complete verification, but I expect it'l confirm your statement.

Of all the "Founding Fathers", ONLY John Jay would be considered a "real Christian" by those Teabaggers. Washington was undeniably a Deist, and the others were even worse!

GM hasn't repaid the loan...

Snip:
Uncle Sam gave GM $49.5 billion last summer in aid to finance its bankruptcy. (If it hadn't, the company, which couldn't raise this kind of money from private lenders, would have been forced into liquidation, its assets sold for scrap.) So when Mr. Whitacre publishes a column with the headline, "The GM Bailout: Paid Back in Full," most ordinary mortals unfamiliar with bailout minutia would assume that he is alluding to the entire $49.5 billion. That, however, is far from the case...

... The vast bulk of the bailout money was transferred to GM through the purchase of 60.8% equity stake in the company--arguably an even worse deal for taxpayers than the loan, given that the equity position requires them to bear the risk of the investment without any guaranteed return. (The Canadian government likewise gave GM $1.4 billion as a pure loan, and another $8.1 billion for an 11.7% equity stake. The U.S. and Canadian government together own 72.5% of the company.)

But when Mr. Whitacre says GM has paid back the bailout money in full, he means not the entire $49.5 billion--the loan and the equity. In fact, he avoids all mention of that figure in his column. He means only the $6.7 billion loan amount...

Even that's not the full story given that GM, which has not yet broken even, much less turned a profit, can't pay even this puny amount from its own earnings...

... The company is using this escrow money--government money--to pay back the government loan.

http://www.forbes.com/2010/04/23/general-motors-economy-bailout-opinions-columnists-shikha-dalmia_print.html

It is a very convoluted message out there, especially from Faux News, but you are correct, the loan won't be completely paid off till probably 2014. BUT they ARE turning a corner and posting a profit, and most importantly they are about to become a publicly shared company. AND A LOAN has been paid off (a $7 Billion dollar loan)

FROM USA TODAY:

It's far too early to declare the GM bailout an unqualified success. But it is certainly going a lot better than critics thought likely. News of the initial public offering of stock follows a lightning fast exit from reorganization, two profitable quarters, the repayment of a $7 billion loan and rising consumer satisfaction scores. GM, in fact, could now be in better shape than the economy as a whole, which is saying a lot considering that two years ago it could have been mistaken for roadkill. It certainly is a leaner, healthier company, thanks to the forced restructuring, and the devastated Detroit economy is looking better.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/editorials/2010-08-20-editorial20_ST1_N.htm

I will look forward to how much the insiders get to pay for stock.

They appear to have turned a corner and have posted a 2nd. quarter profit. If Mr. Whitacre had waited for real progress the accolades would have followed and the results would have provided him the under pinnings for greater public support.

Instead Whitacre chose the path of self aggrandization, deception and selective disclosure to steer many in the public to a false conclusion. What he did tells me he's nothing more than another unscrupulous, contemptible s.o.b.

Maybe someone can tell me where in hell ethics and morals have disappeared to in the corporate board rooms of our nations?

Why is GM continuously singled out for bailout money when the mega-banks took TARP assistance?

That is rhetorical because we know that GM and Chrysler are unionized, and the banks are white collar. It confirms the ignorance and confusion of the public that the banks, who have not even said thank you and continue to gamble with derivatives are rarely mentioned, and certainly won't assist underwater mortgage holders. But that is okay with these fools.

For me, the most frightening aspect of the Tea Party, and our current political environment is the conservative media driven narrative. The Tea Baggers know only what Fox and hate radio tells them, and as inconsistent as it is, they accept the message.

I debated some (white male) in-laws recently and all they could discuss was GM and the unions destroying GM. Would not listen that GM management continued to sell SUV's for short-term profit while ignoring long-term market trends towards fuel efficient vehicles.

Of course they did not want to talk about Wall Street bailouts. They also could not answer my question that why are unions are so "bad" if they demand health care for employees. My in-laws support the (stupid) employer based health care system, so they should be in favor of employees demanding health care from their employers.

They argued that unions get "too much" then declare that employers should supply benefits. No logic at all, and these are educated people. One with a college degree, another a successful contractor, and the third a financial adviser. All have some quality education, yet their emotional need to be superior overrides obvious logical inconsistencies. Frightening.

Refused to talk about Wall Street. Privileged oligarchy betting for failure, then taking bailout money and not a peep. But let a union worker get assistance and watch out! Socialism!

Furthermore, as it has been said often on DU, the Tea Baggers are struggling because they want the facts to fit their emotional beliefs and you have to assume that some day the light will come on for them. The free market, left alone will destroy itself and without government involvement capitalism fails.

When these people were asked about health care, they ultimately concluded that everyone should have access to it and disabled persons should receive assistance. Take away the sick white supremacists and corporate plants and you see the Tea Baggers are decent people, who are afraid because of lack of intelligence or weakness of mind.

They are afraid or as often is the case with ignorance, so certain of their own positions, they really believe leaving corporations to their own devices will allow the invisible hand to get health care to everyone. They are not evil, just simple and intellectually lazy.

Must buy car insurance, that is okay, but not health insurance. Also did you notice how Medicare is usually favorable to the Tea Baggers? They really don't grasp that it is government.

What do we do? Tell the truth and wait and see what happens. Until we can change campaign financing and require term-limits on Senators, we will always be at the mercy of the rich.

(I recommend a focus, a campaign against the privilege of the U.S. Senate.)

We have over-reached militarily and we have spent more money than we have. Classic symptoms of dynasty failures. It is happening before our very eyes, and the Tea Party fights for the collapse and we fight to prevent it.

The American humans are victims of our successes. Even the ignorant could prosper and have a good middle class life, and generate wealth due to policies that favored the middle class. The ignorant believe it is God and the free market that gave them those riches and don't understand it was unions and Democrats.

Interesting times indeed, and I worry that my wife is about to lose her job and we will have to cut off all services except electricity. Maybe not, but they may not make payroll. I cannot afford all my bills on my salary. I chose to work at a university, not accumulate wealth.

I guess I deserve to lose my stuff and even my home. I should have been a banker or entrepreneur.

"Not always right, but never in doubt."

He had several expressions like that, and I still use them.

It's important that people understand that what we're told isn't the whole truth.

:banghead: You can't fix stupid.

Seriously, what event or events are those morons talking about?

the election itself was "playing the race card"... ie nobody complained about a black president before we elected a black president.. loosing the election was an act of racism... see its all our fault for electing a black guy..

Bill OReilly or Sean Hannity or ... the man, himself..Glenn Beck, told them Obama is a racist!!

So it MUST BE TRUE!

:sarcasm: :rant:


Seriously, this is the best evidence ever that Fox News is destroying America but poisoning minds with LIES!

Of course, these people were probably NOT Obama supporters in the first place...they somehow look like Palin folks who understand PERFECTLY what Sarah has to say!!! They understand Sarah because Sarah is JUST LIKE THEM!

Obama specifically went out of his way NOT to "play the race card". It is just more of White Fauxpression garbage. These people live in a bubble of non-reality.

-They did it by proxy when their supporters pointed out that signs depicting Obama as a monkey or a witch doctor are racist. (Since Obama manipulates all liberals though mind control) (You can draw your own conclusions as to why teabaggers are immune)

I guess when you have 24/7 spin you can get people to believe anything!

I don't care for their answers.

I hope that people can come away from my interviews and see how I engaged them politely, and debated with them slowly and intelligently and got Teabagger (see video 1) to admit that there is a role government has to play in getting healthcare to people. Let's change the narrative from "keep the government out of the market" to "let's limit the role of the government in the market". If we just yell at them and ridicule them they will dig their heels in. It will probably won't change them overnight, but we can plant small seeds of doubt in their conservative philosophy.

And they're doing their best to hide it.

For the teabagger mentality, it's a start.

As I have been saying all along--the tea party is about creating a religious dictatorship, Christian, of course. While they espouse charity, that means CHARITY IS EXTENDED ONLY TO THOSE WHO BELONG TO THEIR RELIGION AND THEIR CHURCH. ALL OTHERS CAN JUST DIE.

The young Bible Guy with the sign probably has insurance paid for by his parents....I would assume that if they suffered a catastrophic health problem, he would take on their indebtedness...........???

That is what the Tea/Theocracy Party wants.

I like the guy who coined the word "Theocon", a cross between Neocon and Theocracy. I don't like Muslim extremists, I don't like Jewish extremists, and I don't like Christian extremists. They are all very tribal and only care about "one of their own". Abrahamism is the worst religion ever.

:shrug:

I have researched it and it says those who "would not work":

For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.
2 Thessalonians 3:10


He is partly true. But it doesn't say anything about those who "CANNOT WORK" (the disabled, elderly, etc.) Plus, it shouldn't be used as a verse to promote no compassion for people. The Bible stresses compassion hundreds if times, and says this once. Plus the Bible also says, don't marry a foreigner, don't whip your slaves too hard, and women should be subservient to men; so just because "the Bible says..." doesn't mean much to me.

The guy makes a strawman argument. We want the public option not for idle and lazy people, we want it for people who work but cannot afford health care because it is getting too expensive, and we think health care companies are being too greedy and are gouging people. Virtually everybody works, It is the old Reagan "welfare queen" argument scaring whites that their money will be taken away ans given to lazy people that don't work. I know of no one on the left that supports that.

You know what else the Bible says?

"All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any of his possessions was his own, but they shared everything they had… There were no needy persons among them. For from time to time those who owned lands or houses sold them, brought the money from the sales and put it at the apostles' feet, and it was distributed to anyone as he had need." (Acts 4:32,34,35)

THAT IS PURE SOCIALISM!!!!!!


BWHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Paul was a pharisee who persecuted christians before his conversion. This is his first letter to Corinth. The corinthian were a group of immature and quarrelsome people. In this letter he attempts to correct and encourgage them to common sense and discipline. He had heard they were not following what he had taught them but returning to old ways. Gossiping and encroaching on each other. He admonishes them by reminding them he had not acted this way when he was with them but tried to set an example.

7 For you yourselves know how you ought to follow our example, because we did not act in an undisciplined manner among you, 8 nor did we eat anyone’s bread without paying for it, but with labor and hardship we kept working night and day so that we would not be a burden to any of you; 9 not because we do not have the right to this, but in order to offer ourselves as a model for you, so that you would follow our example.

10 For even when we were with you, we used to give you this order: if anyone is not willing to work, then he is not to eat, either. 11 For we hear that some among you are leading an undisciplined life, doing no work at all, but acting like busybodies.

The corinthians would fawn over Paul, wanting praise for serving him. To set an example he worked alongside them to show that no teacher is above the servant but equal. Just as Christ did. Can you imagine a CEO today working alongside his employees? lol The lesson was to lift their thinking towards humility. He also wasn't happy about their gossiping..suggesting that working would keep them focused.

Less time transgressing.. more time growing. He's encouraging them to let go of the immature things they were accustomed to for a better life of helping one another as he had tried to show them. It's not saying someone who has no job shouldn't eat. He's saying someone who is spreading malicious lies should work or keep busy doing something productive.

and I wholeheartedly agree. These people could be more productive in helping those in need in their community than demonstrating or listening to Beck.

if they care how others see them? My bet is they'll say they don't care how others see them, especially if the others aren't like them. This is how criminals and the insane think.

They are very self-centered by nature. They take care of their clan members, but everyone else is "people like you", or "those people", or "you people".

:rofl:

he is not racist because he has a black friend:sarcasm:

The only person that would "look like a racist" is maybe a guy wearing a Klan outfit. People don't "look like racists", they ACT like racists.

Is you baiting them, and I'm not sure why.

you seem to set a very low bar for baiting someone. It seems to me that he is trying to draw them out to try to find some thread of logical underpinning to the points that they are making. They all seem incapable of articulating why they are there.

This level of ignorance and tribalism in a large percentage of the population of the country is scary.

Their brains are shut off and they are all ripe for the picking for a demagogue like Beck.

How did so many Americans get so stupid? What will the country be like in 10 or 20 years?

...it was Carter that 'bailed out' Chrysler. Or maybe not...the memory wanes.

but RayGun helped as well and supported it.

http://mjperry.blogspot.com/2008/09/lessons-from-1979-chryslyer-bailout.html

There was something else as well, but I've forgotten and will watch the vid again later to remind myself and come back with it.

I try to point that out as much as possible. The government is what we want to make of it. We can interpret that "general welfare" covers creating a "public option" to provide affordable health care to people. If you listen, they think that this is free money and free health care to supposed "lazy people" that don't want to work and pay for their own healthcare, a strawman argument; because Progressives want a public option for people who work, but cannot afford the high prices these gouging and greedy for-profit companies are offering. We want freedom and liberty, and more individual choices!!!

The young guy talking about insurance, for example. So a guy that's been badly injured who doesn't have insurance is supposed to work it off? Obviously, these people don't have a clue how much hospital care costs, and supposing the man was rendered unable to work due to his accident. Supposing the man was only making $10-15/hour. There's no way he could ever pay off a $100,000 + hospital bill.

try to answer the question you can almost see a question mark over their head. What you hear is they're angry. They don't know why they're angry they just are. Obama played the race card. I believe Obama is the only president who publicly addressed racism. Why. because he had to. The right-wing made an issue out of everything his former pastor said. He went so far as to use his election as an example of unity. But did they hear that?

Helping the poor makes them lazy. Where do they get this from? What's ironic is they don't understand the words of Christ themselves. The parable of the Talents is used many times to castigate people who don't work at making money.(Mat:25:14) That would mean missionaries are sinning. The parable is about the servant who was given a talent and hid it in the ground while the others doubled theirs. Jesus goes on to expose that this is the way people think, you will be penalized in this world for not expanding your wealth,or that of your boss.

For to everyone who has, more shall be given, and he will have an abundance; but from the one who does not have, even what he does have shall be taken away.

Christ however uses it to promote generosity. It is in giving to others in need that will bring a depth of satisfaction and emotional growth in a person. Not making lots of money to put in the bank.

For I was hungry and you fed me, I was thirtsy and you gave me drink, I was naked and you clothed me..
Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did it to one of these brothers of Mine, even the least of them, you did it to Me.

Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy, and where thieves break in and steal. 20 “But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys, and where thieves do not break in or steal; 21 for where your treasure is, there your heart will be also. (Mat:6:1)

Sorry for the Bible lesson but they're trying to rewrite it in their deluded translation yet they want it to be the authority for governing..and that scares the stuffing right out of me. Kudos to you for bringing it to us.

What do you call a gathering of morans?

...but I felt we need to Get Out The Vote, and stop the Angles, Ruibios and Pauls by getting to the Polls. Tell your friends about these brain dead morns! They are energized and going to the polls, we need to match their enthusiasm!

from "WHO"...it seems that the country should lock these fools up and throw away the key. I've never seen so much ignorance in my entire life. They want this country to be in the hands of them??????????? If that happens...then i'm leaving.

They want to take back their country from the non-white, non-Christian people. Sorry, that is the way Democracy works. The majority of people voted Obama and the Dems in..Get over it Teabaggers!

has become nothing more than the pat answer that Beck formulated very later on and during his "speech". I wonder what the answer would be from these people before they came from wherever to the question, before they were given the "talking point" as to why they are here.

but BOY they sure go crazy over bacon grease

- and Beck is an endless supply of it

What attack? Watched the whole thing. All I saw was a few people who didn't really have the sack to really defend their position in the face of hard questions like "do we just leave the guy bleeding in the street?"

If you watch the people behind me as I interview the man w/ the sign the woman points the stick of her "Don't Tread in Me" Gadsden Flag and shouts at me, "Why are you picking on that man!". I consider that an "attack". I was merely interviewing people the way I saw fit, with a tad of editorializing (I have that right) and she wanted me to stop and disrupt it. That is an attack. Not an attack like with fists or whatever, but an attack nonetheless. She interfered with the freedom of the press, because I wasn't going to do the Leni Roesenthal Fixed Noise thing of just repeat their rigthwing talking points and be "friendly".

But if you want to get noticed sometimes you have to try and stick out. If "Channel 9" news was standing there interviewing someone, and someone came up and said, "Why are you attacking that man!" I would consider that a disruption of their job. Plus THEY are also guilty of hyperbole by saying I was "badgering" that "poor helpless man". He came out in public with a sign claiming that our current government wasn't a government of the people; and I was pointing out to him and the Teabagger crowd we DID have a democratic election and the Dems won. His statement was inaccurate and I wanted to point that out.

...the cameraman taking the route of "does that mean that people who aren't hear aren't good American citizens/care about the constitution" was a dumb question, and he pushed it. Stopped watching there. A better question would have been "why is it necessary to rally for the constitution..how is it in danger?"

this guy pushed a stupid question just to bait/troll.

To me it did honestly seemed the Teabagger WAS implying that the people there were part of America and the people that weren't there were not part of America. I was thinking on my feet, perhaps it was a little provocative. Maybe I was trying to provoke thought? I will stand by my impression that Teabaggers think they are real Americans and other people are not. Sarah Palin tacitly implied people at her rally were real Americans, and one Teabagger told me, "I don't talk to people like you!". They are very divisive and hostile, and their ways will lead to Americans being divided as "us" and "them".