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activa8tr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-10 08:53 AM
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TYT: Kids To Be Denied Health Care - Reform Fail
Edited on Thu Sep-23-10 08:54 AM by activa8tr
 
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Posted on YouTube: September 23, 2010
By YouTube Member: TheYoungTurks
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Posted on DU: September 23, 2010
By DU Member: activa8tr
Views on DU: 1356
 
Very depressing if true, and I have no reason not to believe Cenk.
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theaocp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-10 09:16 AM
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1. It's like hearing Obama
nearly trip over himself to tell people his HCR has nothing to do with government intervention; sir, I WANT government intervention! These sick, leech-like, corporate FUCKS are still in charge and will do EVERYTHING they can and want to get around your rules. If you don't have another option from a non-profit like, oh, say, the GOVERNMENT, they will continue to do whatever they want with their armies of lawyers and other such daemon-spawn.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-10 12:43 PM
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8. the insurance corps wrote the rules with Obama's blessing!
Edited on Thu Sep-23-10 12:44 PM by flyarm
Obama's Rules..were written by the lobbyists for the insurance boys with Obama's full approval in back room deals!

The loopholes were put there by Obama allowing the Insurance boys to protect their own asses by writing the very bill that had nothing to do with Health Care....but was nothing but a Health Insurance Corporation and Big Pharma Corporate / Big Hospital Conglomerate Corp profit bill.

This bill never had anything to do with Health care for we the people.

It was Corporate bail out. Period!
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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-10 01:37 PM
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12. You are right. That is all it was.
It was a massive re-distribution of public wealth from poor people to insurance companies.

We will be required to give them our money, up to 22% of our income. But as we are seeing here, they are not required to provide us with anything in return. They can refuse to provide any insurance to anyone they don't want to cover. Nothing anywhere in these negotiations really cuts costs for us.

There are loopholes everywhere for insurance companies to take advantage of, because insurance companies were at the table writing the rules, and we weren't. They were given huge concessions just to come to the table, but nobody representing us was allowed to be at that table at all.

So of course all the rules are rigged to benefit them. :(
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lumpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-10 04:45 PM
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19. You are so right. Insurance companies are still running the show.
And will continue to do so until the medical profession regains, and takes control of, the medical industry once again.
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lumpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-10 04:40 PM
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18. Corporate bailout ? Insurance companies are still one of the
biggest money makers around. They hardly need bailing out.
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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-10 08:45 PM
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25. Oil companies are amazingly profable, but we give them
huge amounts of tax money too. The same is true of the agricultural giants that control most of our food supply. Pharmaceutical companies. And now banks too.

The larger and more profitable an industry is the more likely it is that our government will give them massive millions of dollars in subsidies just because they ask for it, not because they actually need it.
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sallyseven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-10 10:46 AM
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2. I have a lot of reasons to disbelieve Cenk
He is a big jerk. twists things to suit him. I wish he would shut the f k up
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-10 10:48 AM
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3. Washington Post: Some insurers to halt new child-only policies
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activa8tr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-10 11:10 AM
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4. Well, I guess you were wrong, seeing that it is in other print media now.
Edited on Thu Sep-23-10 11:12 AM by activa8tr
See post above this one for details.

What has Cenk ever done to hurt you? Oh, maybe disagree with Obama about kissing butt with conservatives Republicons?

By the way, calling some insightful progressive commentator a "big jerk" and wishing he would "shut the FK up" doesn't do your own reputation as a thoughtful poster much good here. We usually see those kinds of comments about Sarah Palin and the like, not about Cenk.
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-10 11:11 AM
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5. That was WaPo, here's the LA Times
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activa8tr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-10 11:13 AM
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6. Thanks for your wonderful links. As I thought, Cenk is usually right-
on the money about his critique of Obama's failures.
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20score Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-10 01:13 PM
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11. You'll have to do better than that.
As they say on Fark - 1/10.
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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-10 01:39 PM
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13. What makes you even a fraction as credible than him?
He presented information. It has been confirmed by other sources.

What have you presented? Insults. Yeah, that makes you credible.
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ShamelessHussy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-10 05:35 PM
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22. lol
fail
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Kajsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-10 11:44 AM
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7. This is awful!
Anything to increase profits,at the expense of childrens
health!

K&R!
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-10 12:47 PM
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9. well many of us Retarded Liberals warned of this! and we were shouted down and told to STFU! eom
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20score Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-10 01:11 PM
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10. Absolutely! And so easy to see the reform they did, was not reform. As easy to call BS on
heath care reform as it was to call BS on the Iraq War.
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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-10 01:41 PM
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14. But as it always is,
The people who were right from the very beginning will never be considered credible.

The people who were wrong again and again and again will insist that they are the credible, intelligent ones who everyone should have to listen to and take seriously.
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lumpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-10 04:50 PM
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20. Not making excuses, but Obama had to take what he could
get to get the ball rolling. As long as there are pro-corporation/capitalist Congress people fighting against reform of any kind, things will remain pretty much the same.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-10 03:38 PM
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15. How many people buy a child only policy?
:shrug:
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-10 04:51 PM
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21. According to the Washington Post story, up to 700,000.
The larger and more important point is that the underlying system was not changed. Sure, there were some positives in the bill but the fundamental for-profit system remains the same.

This is just the start, as even the most die-hard supporters of the bill have to concede that many more examples of these loopholes will pop up between now and 2014 (and each time the dishonest private insurance industry and Republicans will blame the bill and sadly many moderate Americans will believe them.

And who knows what the GOP will do with more power in Congress between now and then. That's exactly why I always hated the argument that this was a solid foundation to improve upon later, when in fact I think the opposite is true. The GOP is likely to drill holes in an already weak 'reform' as they get more seats in Congress.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-10 08:25 PM
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24. Of course there are loopholes
that will need to be filled. Only time will tell if the foundation will be built upon, or eroded.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-10 10:13 PM
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26. I would bet the farm on the latter..the erosion began with the Bill that was signed! and sold out !
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 12:12 AM
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27. I would bet on improvement over time.
Either the insurance companies quit abusing customers or we'll have a case for ditching them, completely.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 12:29 AM
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28. how is the Kids getting cut out working for you????????? eom
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 10:50 AM
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29. I don't have a child only policy.
Edited on Fri Sep-24-10 10:52 AM by mzmolly
I think a boycott should be launched against companies that don't accept children as the only insured. I also wonder how SCHIP might enter the picture if a company denies a child coverage?
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 12:02 PM
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30. oh because you are fortunate enough to not have that kind of policy for your children ..it's now not
a problem ?

I get you now!!

No pre-exisiting anything?????

You think not?

Understand this ..every time you go to a doctor and the bill goes to your insurance company..you have pre-existing something!

And you can be cut out as well! With the fucking loop holes that were allowed when Obama allowed the insurance big boys and big Pharma and the Huge Hospital conglomerates write the fucking bill he signed!

I will remember to not feel sorry for you and those who sold this nation out on Health Care reform and only signed a bill written by the fuckers who will control your Health care or lack there of!
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 02:15 PM
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31. Where did I say it wasn't a problem?
Edited on Fri Sep-24-10 02:33 PM by mzmolly
What I said was, the company denying children coverage should be boycotted.
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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-10 03:43 PM
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16. nutbagger gop and insurance industry are the real death panels. n/t
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lumpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-10 04:37 PM
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17. This problem was created when doctors let their industry be
taken over by insurance companies. Apparently doctors have no say in who they will medicaly treat. I know one doctor that took an early retirement because he had lost all control of his practice because of medical insurance policies. My son got a letter yesterday from the clinic who has treated his 5 year old daughter for minor problems. It states that they will only give emergency medical treatment for the next 30 days; at that time he must seek help from some other clinic. It is not that she has any pre-existing medical problems. It seems it is just a way to eliminate treating children.
This is the same clinic that,a couple of years ago, came down with an edict that they would discontinue taking new Medicare patients. They let me retain using my doctor at that clinic if I would change insurance companies handling Medicare that met with their approval. I did comply. I have had to change insurance companies twice in the interim. I am wondering when I will have to search around again to get coverage. It is disgusting that doctors are willingly letting insurance companies run their this important medical industry.
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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-10 05:43 PM
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23. K&R. My congressman was talking about this just last week...
When I went to the opening of his campaign headquarters. He's up for re-election this year and his teabagger opponent is speaking out against "Obamacare," hoping to overturn the progress we've made by dropping kids with "pre-existing conditions" from coverage. How he can sell this is beyond me, but I live in a traditionally red district and I'm worried... :scared:
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