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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 02:51 PM
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Wikileaks and the El-Masri case
 
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- Sure, Julian's the problem. Not us.
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Pharaoh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 03:49 PM
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1. Wow!!
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pam4water Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 05:00 PM
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2. K&R
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 05:04 PM
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3. K&R- done in our name and kept secret. Are those things the America we believe in?
If we continue to permit these things, it is.

PB
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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 05:34 PM
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5. We do permit it.....
...and we always have. The question is: will we ever have the courage to face the truth about ourselves?



"The mendacity of American capitalism is once again so clearly visible that most adults, with or without a “higher” education, can see it. That the “lower classes” blame the “higher classes” for it is not surprising, since they see that mendacity seems to be one powerful ingredient of “higher” education.

It’s not a new condition but one that is historically habituated. Most of the people who came here from Europe were pushed into it by destitution. They came determined to “make a better living.” For them, capitalism was “freedom” and “liberty”—the freedom to steal land from the “Indians”, the “liberty” to tolerate the importation and slavery of Africans for decades, followed by more decades of racial discrimination. They accepted unjust competition and the build-up of huge personal fortunes as “inevitable”. With the exception of the Civil War and the labor rebellions in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, they did not struggle to change things. They just moved West—until the West ran out.

When they were told by their overlords that they must fight wars because “communism” and “socialism” would “take over”, they did not have the mental tools necessary to unmask the deceit and evaluate the overall situation more accurately. Besides, they were afraid because they knew the “isms” were complicated, and they were ignorant—and helpless.

Even today a large proportion of the population still believes in social and political injustice. They still are mainly interested in their own well-being and are misled by their unflagging hope that they can “improve” their condition, most often meaning “make more money.”

The system of capitalism feeds on these attitudes and fights against anything that refutes them. A measure of how insecure capitalism is, how vulnerable and frightened of falling on its face, is the degree to which media and surveillance must be used to constantly brainwash and frighten “the public” and prop up this rickety structure.

It’s a top-heavy house of cards, and can’t help itself because it has separated itself from balance, criticism, originality and change. ~ http://www.truthdig.com/report/page2/the_origin_of_americas_intellectual_vacuum_20101115/#366695">By gerard
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1monster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 05:16 PM
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4. I hope Mr. El Masri does receive justice, and not just against the CIA agents who kidnapped him,
but against their bosses all the way up the chain to the top person or persons responsible for such a travesty.

But I also hope he will find peace in himself and his world, regardless of justice or injustice, for his children's sake. I hope he learns, in time to teach his children, to find whatever joy there is available in this world in the fleeting moments that life allows. I hope he does not let this experience rob him of the simple enjoyment of life that comes to him.

K&R
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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 05:45 PM
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6. Sorry.....
...but the current administration has shown in word if not deed, that it prefers looking forward -- not back.

"We're still evaluating how we're going to approach the whole issue of interrogations, detentions, and so forth," he said. "And obviously we're going to be looking at past practices, and I don't believe that anybody is above the law. {pffftttt, well maybe a few people}

"On the other hand, I also have a belief that we need to look forward as opposed to looking backwards. And part of my job is to make sure that for example at the CIA, you've got extraordinarily talented people who are working very hard to keep Americans safe. I don't want them to suddenly feel like they've got to spend all their time looking over their shoulders and lawyering." {said the Constitutional law professor}

http://thinkprogress.org/2009/01/11/obama-special-prosecutor-torture/">link


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1monster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 08:09 PM
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11. That justice is unlikely to come from the US government goes (unfortunately)
without saying. But there are other roads to justice, including the world court. The US may not subscribe to it, but that does not make US citizens all the way up the latter immune to it. What is that old saying? Something about justice grinding slowly, but exceedingly fine.

I'm just wishing the gentleman and his family healing regardless of how long justice takes getting here.

I have learned that justice does come eventually, but not necessarily in the method expected. And justice does not ever give back what was taken. The satisfaction of justice does not heal the wounds or replace the loss. It is merely a step in the right direction. Justice is at best bittersweet. It cannot replace the loss or heal the wounds, physical and mental, but it can give a sense of satisfaction that the wrongdoer will not be able to do it to anyone else.
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 05:46 PM
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7. The real crime here is that we know about it--thanks to that rat Wikileaks!
just kidding--I don't want to kill the messenger, but I am very upset with those CIA agents and the superiors who ordered them to torture this innocent man. If it weren't for Wikileaks those villains might still be hiding out and avoiding accountability (oops, they are anyway)
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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 06:06 PM
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8. "The point of Wikileaks is to make Wikileaks unnecessary." ~Julian Assange
It's too late now Julian.....
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civilisation Donating Member (456 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 07:49 PM
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9. unchecked power,. fully corrupted..,
This will only end badly if we the people let these crimes go unanswered.
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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 08:07 PM
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10. At this point.....
...I think that it'll end badly no matter what. It's more a question now of how badly.

"We must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The
potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist."
~President Dwight D. Eisenhower, 1961 Farewell Address


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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 08:17 PM
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12. Can someone amplify the connection between the leaks the the video?
I gather from the producers that this video was not suppressed.

Did this video come out since the leaks?

Do the leaks confirm the history of what happened to him.
Do the leaks contain more information?

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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 08:33 PM
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16. OK, I found the connection - I'm a little behind times - this is from
another site:

"When Wikileaks released thousands of classified US diplomatic cables this week, a familiar criticism was repeated by the project's foes: these leaks could harm innocent people. There's no evidence of that yet, but within the documents there is evidence the American government has harmed innocent people.

One of them is Khaled El-Masri, a German citizen of Lebanese descent, and a victim of so-called "extraordinary rendition." He was a car salesman in Germany, a father of six. The CIA kidnapped him by mistake (his name sounds and looks identical to that of an actual terror suspect), and sent off to receive months of torture in Afghanistan.

When the CIA realized he was innocent, he was flown to Albania and dumped on a back road without so much as an apology.

El-Masri's futile efforts at receiving justice in the U.S. are well-known, but the cables published this week by Wikileaks include revelations the U.S. also warned German authorities not to allow a local investigation into his kidnapping and abuse.

snipped more at the site:
http://www.boingboing.net/2010/12/01/wikileaks-and-the-el.html
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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 08:33 PM
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17. The US renditions the wrong person and then tries to act like nothing happened.....
Leaked cable: U.S. warned Germany against arrests in Masri case

Washington Post
Posted at 8:58 PM ET, 11/29/2010
By Jeff Stein

A top American diplomat warned Germany against issuing arrest warrants for U.S. commandos involved in the 2003 abduction of a German citizen wrongly suspected of terrorist ties, a classified State Department cable obtained by WikiLeaks reveals.

Khalid al-Masri, a Lebanese who had lived in Germany since 1994, was abducted while on holiday in Macedonia and flown to Afghanistan, where he says he was beaten and sodomized during repeated interrogations before being transferred to the detention facility at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. In April 2004 CIA Director George Tenet decided Masri had been mistakenly detained, according to news reports, and the following month he was released.

A prosecutor in Munich subsequently investigated the Masri affair, and on Jan. 31, 2007 issued arrest warrants for 13 of the suspected kidnappers, all thought to be CIA personnel.

MORE: http://voices.washingtonpost.com/spy-talk/2010/11/leaked_cable_us_warned_germany.html


Wikileaks and the El-Masri case: Innocent CIA torture victim more than just a leaked cable

Boing Boing
Xeni Jardin
9:16 AM Wednesday, Dec 1, 2010

When Wikileaks released thousands of classified US diplomatic cables this week, a familiar criticism was repeated by the project's foes: these leaks could harm innocent people. There's no evidence of that yet, but within the documents there is evidence the American government has harmed innocent people.

One of them is Khaled El-Masri, a German citizen of Lebanese descent, and a victim of so-called "extraordinary rendition." He was a car salesman in Germany, a father of six. The CIA kidnapped him by mistake (his name sounds and looks identical to that of an actual terror suspect), and sent off to receive months of torture in Afghanistan.

When the CIA realized he was innocent, he was flown to Albania and dumped on a back road without so much as an apology.

El-Masri's futile efforts at receiving justice in the U.S. are well-known, but the cables published this week by Wikileaks include revelations the U.S. also warned German authorities not to allow a local investigation into his kidnapping and abuse.

The nearest he's gotten to justice is an arrest warrant for 13 CIA agents issued by prosecutors in Spain, which they entered on forged passports.

In this video, originally part of the Witness.org documentary OUTLAWED, El-Masri relates his experiences. Boing Boing presented a portion of this documentary on our video channel back in 2008; the documents brought to light by Wikileaks provide an opportunity to revisit the story with new context.

MORE: http://www.boingboing.net/2010/12/01/wikileaks-and-the-el.html



How the U.S. protects CIA kidnappers

Salon.com
Monday, Nov 29, 2010 15:12 ET
By Justin Elliott


Here is an item to add to Salon's list of significant WikiLeaks revelations: A top U.S. diplomat strongly warned German counterparts against issuing arrest warrants for CIA agents who were involved in the kidnapping of a German citizen, who was brought to Afghanistan and tortured before officials concluded that they had the wrong man.

That's according to a February 2007 cable in the WikiLeaks trove. Germany ultimately opted not to pursue the case against the CIA agents.

At issue was the 2003 kidnapping in Macedonia of a German citizen of Lebanese descent, Khaled el-Masri. El-Masri was taken to a secret prison in Afghanistan, where he says he was questioned and tortured before being released several months later in a remote area of Albania. U.S. officials later conceded that el-Masri was mistakenly taken because his name was very similar to that of another man who was suspected of terrorist ties.

So when German authorities began the process of pursuing the CIA agents responsible, John Koenig, deputy chief of the U.S. mission to Germany, intervened. Ultimately, the case did not go forward. Here's the key section from the cable (emphasis ours):

    In a February 6 discussion with German Deputy National Security Adviser Rolf Nikel, the DCM reiterated our strong concerns about the possible issuance of international arrest warrants in the al-Masri case. The DCM noted that the reports in the German media of the discussion on the issue between the Secretary and FM Steinmeier in Washington were not accurate, in that the media reports suggest the USG was not troubled by developments in the al-Masri case. The DCM emphasized that this was not the case and that issuance of international arrest warrants would have a negative impact on our bilateral relationship. He reminded Nikel of the repercussions to U.S.-Italian bilateral relations in the wake of a similar move by Italian authorities last year.


The DCM pointed out that our intention was not to threaten Germany, but rather to urge that the German Government weigh carefully at every step of the way the implications for relations with the U.S.

MORE: http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2010/11/29/wikileaks_germany_el_masri/
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 10:35 PM
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18. Thanks for your great text summation. Very effective. Thanks for the links. DU is still great!
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 08:20 PM
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13. It's interesting that everyone he describes was dressed in black.
It's like evil can implode and implant into the bodies and souls of humans.

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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 08:21 PM
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14. Was Merkel implicit or did she save him? Is he alive because of his citizenship?
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 08:28 PM
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15. I wrote down all the names of the organizations that supported the film.
Does anyone have objections to any of these entities and the two funders? If yes, what is it as it relates to torture, rendition, and non-ending prison by the government of the US?.

ACLU
Amnesty International
Breakthrough (US/India)
Brennan Center for Justice at NYU (New York Univ) School of Law
Center for Constitutional RIghts
Center for Human RIghts and Global Justice at NYU School of Law
Freedom House
Human Rights First
Human Rights Watch
International Committee of Jurists . Switzerland
Liberty (UK)
National Council of Churches of Christ in the USA
Redress (UK)
Reprieve (UK)

Support/Funding:
JEHT Foundation
Kate Schregardus
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