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Segami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-11 02:22 PM
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Mr. Potato Head Joe Scarborough: Wisconsin Public Unions Are " GREEDY ", Free Riders.
Edited on Fri Feb-18-11 02:32 PM by Segami
 
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This morning, in apparent opposition of the protests, MSNBC host Joe Scarborough said that the unions “free-ride” and are “greedy“:


SCARBOROUGH: Are you kidding me? They are shutting down the state. You see these young students, mike, instead of trying to end a war, they are trying to make sure state employees don’t have to pay off 3 percent of their salary to our — or 4 percent of their salary for health care benefits. They are trying to make sure that these people do not have to pay what every other American who works outside of government has to pay. Are you serious?


You’re going to shut down schools because you have a union that is so greedy that they want their people to be held to different standard than working class americans who sometimes pay 15 percent of their salaries to benefits? <...> hey, we are not going to let you get a free ride on benefits.


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SlimJimmy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-11 02:27 PM
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1. Thanks for posting the quote in context. It seems that the union is against
having the public employees pay *anything* for their health benefits? Or did I get that wrong?
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EC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-11 02:38 PM
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7. You're wrong
Edited on Fri Feb-18-11 02:38 PM by EC
Walker is requesting 30% but that is beside the point. He's taking away any bargaining rights. Also, consider that in Dec. there was an agreement to settle for about what Walker is asking for. Walker made the demand that it not be agreed to or passed in the Lame Duck, that he would sit down with the unions and bargain. Then after he took office he said there would be no bargaining, they would accept whatever he decided and that was that...


Oh yeah and on edit: The state ended the year with a SURPLUS not a deficet.
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SlimJimmy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-11 02:53 PM
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11. Walker is requesting 30% in regards to what? The amount of insurance premium paid
by the union employee? And as to collective bargaining rights, I wouldn't give those up either.
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EC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-11 02:59 PM
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12. Combined pay cuts and insurance payments
would amount to a 30% loss per employee.
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SlimJimmy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-11 03:19 PM
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15. I would consider no pay cut and 3-4 % of pay towards
health care premiums to be reasonable. What Walker wants goes *well* beyond that. Even if the state is running a surplus, I don't think trimming budgets is always a bad idea. And having employees pay for a portion of their health care is not asking too much. But with that said, we have our share of problems with our own Governor in Florida. Don't get me started.
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EC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-11 03:59 PM
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18. It's hard to decide who's worse
your Scott or our Scott.
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SlimJimmy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-11 04:40 PM
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20. Well, at least ours isn't trying to screw public sector workers ... yet. (nt)
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yourout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-11 02:33 PM
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2. All the right wing assclowns know damn well this is not about money...it's about union busting...
and the striping of workers rights.
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Angry Dragon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-11 02:34 PM
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3. How much does this man make and what does he produce to earn that money??
And I still think he killed that woman in his office and that is a scumy thing to do
So why listen to anything that comes out of his mouth??
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cutlassmama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-11 02:35 PM
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4. "greedy" "working class Americans"??? How much does HE make?
I bet it's more than the "workers" make and I bet HIS health insurance is paid for.
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Segami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-11 02:42 PM
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9. Republicans are masters of making you watch one hand while the other is picking your pocket.
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jjewell Donating Member (78 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-11 02:36 PM
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5. How is receiving
a negotiated benefit being "greedy" or seeking a "free ride"?!

Blatant union busting in an effort to lower the living standards of all Americans to
facilitate the US labor force becoming wage competitive with child workers in China.
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A Simple Game Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-11 07:07 PM
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25. Republicans don't seem to understand what collective bargaining means.
It is the unions obligation to get the best contract they possibly can for their members. It is the managements job to get the best dead for the government, company, or who ever they represent. If you negotiate a poor contract you have to live with it until it runs out or both parties agree to reopen the contract.

If your union or management representatives don't get you a fair deal then you need to get better negotiators the next time. But you have to live with it until that time. To void a contract is illegal and makes you look like you are taking your ball home because you are losing. Breaking a contract can set a very poor precedent for many reasons, many having nothing to do with labor disputes.
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CrownPrinceBandar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-11 02:37 PM
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6. Joe is wrong on so many fronts here, I wouldn't know where to begin...
First, Joey, the union didn't shut down the schools. The teachers pretty much had a "sick-out" to demonstrate at the Capitol. There's a huge difference between a Union-organized activity and members showing solidarity by doing an action. Second, collective bargaining for better wages, benefits and representation has been a right of publicly-employed Americans since 1962 and JFK. I think its pretty funny that you're not all outraged that Gov. Walker has allowed the police, fire and state troopers to maintain their "free ride".
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-11 02:40 PM
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8. Joe SCABoro is a real lady killer I've heard!
A true RAT!
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Shiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-11 02:51 PM
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10. Joe SCABoro just insulted my mother.
Okay bastard. It is fucking on.
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muntrv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-11 03:01 PM
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13. Speaking of "free rides," Joe should repay the taxpayers all the money
Edited on Fri Feb-18-11 03:02 PM by muntrv
he took while he was a congressman. In short, our taxes supported his whiney teabagging ass!.
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BigD_95 Donating Member (728 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-11 03:10 PM
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14. Y the hell does he have a show on MSNBC anymore?
get him the hell off the air
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border_town Donating Member (191 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-11 03:52 PM
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16. What I find ironic
Here you have a group of people that work from 6am-9am and take a 15 min break at 8am, and make millions of dollars for their time. Yet they have the nerve to complain about the "perks" that people making $51,000 a year get.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-11 03:54 PM
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17. Come to Madison, Moron Joe
We'd like to take you on a tour.

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iamtechus Donating Member (868 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-11 04:09 PM
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19. Our country's biggest "FREE RIDERS"
Edited on Fri Feb-18-11 04:21 PM by iamtechus
Wall Street
Bankers
Insurance Companies
Those in top 2% income bracket

And their paid lackies in our legislature.

edited to add rich people
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AsahinaKimi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-11 04:56 PM
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21. I would like to see a showdown between
Edited on Fri Feb-18-11 04:59 PM by AsahinaKimi
Joe Scarborough and Ed Shultz. Ed needs to educate him on what its really about.
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Segami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-11 05:16 PM
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22. Potato Head Trolls out in force.
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sulphurdunn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-11 05:51 PM
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23. Not so long ago
most private sector workers with unions had defined pension plans to which they did not make direct contributions. Now most of them who still have unions or pensions are vested in 401 schemes and thus tied to the fortunes of Wall Street. Many of them lost their asses during the last and biggest cyclic crash in living memory. Rather than resenting public employees who have defined benefit pensions and other benefits you'd think private sector workers would wonder why they don't. In order not to wonder, one must accept the corporate propaganda that says employees are dependent upon and inferior to their employers, and as such deserve nothing the employer is unwilling to freely give.
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suzanner Donating Member (396 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-11 06:29 PM
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24. I thank the people of Wisc becausetheir fight is for all of us.
The RW agenda is back to sweatshops and poorhouses, debtors prisons, the wealthy high-and-mighty corporate kings and the down-trod poor. Unions pulled us all up in wages the past 50 years until Reagan, the Wrecker. Scarborough, always a moron, can't imagine a world where we bring people UP to what he 'thinks' is Union privileged benefits instead of bringing these underpaid public servants DOWN to poverty level. Disgraceful. I've written to Starbucks, who sponsor. Hope you do too.
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