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GoLeft TV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 04:57 PM
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Papantonio: Democrats Should Abandon The South
 
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When Lyndon Johnson signed the civil rights Act into law, he made the comment that he just cost the Democrats the South for a generation. Little did he know that Democrats would still be struggling in the South more than 50 years later. So that raises the question about what move the Democrats make now – Do we abandon the South or do we continue to spend time and money on people who couldn’t care less about democratic policies, even though they depend on them more than the rest of the country. Mike Papantonio hopes to answer those questions with Mark Schmitt, executive editor of the American Prospect magazine.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 05:02 PM
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1. That is why nixon implemented his racist southern strategy, because he realized that whoever takes
all the south win the electoral votes

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Skip_In_Boulder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 05:07 PM
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2. I have thought for years that the whole country would be better off
If we did just let the south secede from the union. They have always been a problem for the country and don't really contribute anything to society as a whole. Let them secede and form their Theocratic utopia.
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 05:11 PM
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3. Great! That will really work!
And meanwhile, Texas is moving to a majority of minorities. There are already patches of blue (Austin and Dallas, and the Hispanic south); and that can spread. And note the southern states that Obama won in 2008.
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wilt the stilt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 05:13 PM
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4. Papantonio has got it right
We are starting to look around and finally thinking about leaving this shithole. My daughter is at UGA and my son is going next year. It's the best school in GA(along with GT). It's what we can afford. It was Robert E. Lee day the other day and that was much bigger then MLK day. The amount of diversity is so very small. There are confederate flags at many frats and even a noose or two. Change don't count on it.
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 05:19 PM
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5. This northerner will never abandon the South
That is an abhorrent idea. We have DEMs in the South who need our support now more than ever.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 05:20 PM
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 05:21 PM
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7. I don't agree.
Edited on Mon Feb-21-11 05:23 PM by rosesaylavee
I live in a very RW county. Will y'all start abandoning us next?
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 07:17 PM
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12. so is the midwest ... and the west...
:sarcasm:

What do you want to just make the NE into its own country? Even Pennsylvania went red last election. Remember much of the South went blue as recently as 2006 and 2008. Just last year, Arkansas had two Democratic Senators while Massachusetts had one Republican.
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Skip_In_Boulder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 05:22 PM
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8. We have DEMs in the South who need our support
Then rent them a U-Haul.
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 05:25 PM
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9. I am assuming you meant that to be funny
but living in Boulder as you do... imagine the collective DEMs decided that you and your area were not worthy of fighting for and it was suggested that you leave your home, your roots, your family and friends. I don't think you would find it funny.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 05:39 PM
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Justitia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 05:54 PM
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11. The third largest contingent of Democrats in the US House are TEXAS Democrats.
Do you want to get rid of that many Democrats in Congress?

Texas sends TRIPLE the amount of Democrats to Washington that Colorado does.
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 08:33 PM
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14. Tennessee Williams, William Faulkner
New Orleans Jazz, New Orleans, Baton Rouge, Louisiana period.
George Peaches, MLK Jr., Atlanta, Savannah
Montgomery, Alabama holds a lot of history for this country - great victories in civil rights happened here.
Memphis,Nashville - great music comes out of both these cities and it's the home state of Al Gore.
Texas has all our friends in Austin and others spread out thru out that state.
Missouri has the Ozarks, St. Louis, Kansas City
South Carolina gave us Stephen Colbert among others.
North Carolina just turned blue this last election.

Our country would not have been the same without the art, music, and leaders born in these states.

Our friends are counting on our support. I will not abandon them as I don't expect they would abandon me. When you say 'southern' states you are talking about individuals. And a lot of them are here on this site gathering strength and information to use in their home areas.

I will not abandon them.
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unc70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 11:04 PM
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15. Slave trade run out of New England, not the South
So tired of all the idiots who want to bash the South all the time. Yes, we make a convenient target; and yes, white Southerners (particularly males) are about the only ethnic group where it is PC to ridicule them. But until you find a clue, I would suggest that you spend your time learning some actual history (not the mythic) before you start posting about things you don't know or understand.

Slave trade was based in NY to Boston, with its center in Newport RI!! Read about the DeWolf family in "Inheriting the Trade" and other places.

There were still slaves in the North in 1866.

I have a few posts in my journal on all this; you might want to read some of the articles I link there.
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democracy1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-11 01:17 AM
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16. +1
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UrbScotty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-11 01:25 AM
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17. +1! Obama won Florida, North Carolina, AND Virginia!
North Carolina hadn't gone to a Democrat since 1976.

And Virginia, not since 1964!

Now both states have Democratic governors and a Democratic Senator (in Virginia's case, two)!
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Rageneau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 07:35 PM
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13. The last three decent Democratic Pesidents all came from the South.
What the South needs is attention, not abandonment. If Howard Dean were still head of the Democratic Party, you would soon seen more Democrats in the South.

Why not abandon "red' Wisconsin or 'red' Michigan, or 'red' Ohio instead? These days, they all seem to be causing liberals more trouble than the 'red' South.
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Kennah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-11 02:46 PM
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18. I mostly agree with Papantonio
There is a caste system in The South, but I disagree with the idea of abandoning The South.

I grew up in the D.C. suburbs, and my first exposure to The South came around 1977. We visited my oldest sister and her husband in Columbus, Georgia. We were there for a day or two, and my Dad very unexpected commented, "I would not want to be black and live here."

I was only 10 years old, but I had some rudimentary understanding from my public school education of America's past vis-a-vis slavery, the Civil War, the battle for civil rights, etc. However, my Dad's words set me back on my heels, and I was uncharacteristically speechless. All I could muster to ask was, "Umm, why?" He talked about behavior he had observed in which a black person walking down the street would cross the street to the other side so as not to pass a white person walking the other direction on the same side of the street, and he noticed this after just a day or two. At 10, it was hard to fathom and process this reality, and I had no words, but a thin veneer of what I was seeing around me crumbled. There was more there, but I didn't really understand it. I vividly remember this today at age 43.

From 2001 to 2003, I lived in Burlington, North Carolina for about 18 months. A couple weeks into work, a couple of coworkers and I were talking. One of them asked whether I ever went over to Greensboro, and if so did I take the Interstate or the back roads. I answered both, but usually the back roads since it was more scenic. He asked me about a specific location with a gas station on one corner and a generic looking white building across the street. Yes, I had seen and knew of that location. Don't ever stop there he told me. When I asked why, he said the Klan meets there. I was once again rendered speechless as I stared intently at him trying to figure out if he was pulling my leg in a perverse attempt at humor. He was absolutely serious. I had to ask if he was serious a couple of times, and I had to ask my other coworkers if he was right. Yes, everyone confirmed it, including some long time residents who weren't at all proud about this reality.

Fast forward about a year. We were in line at Costco in Durham. I heard a little girl in line behind us quietly say, "Mommy, he's cute." I looked back, and there was a family in line: Mom, Dad, son about 10, and a girl about 8. Little girls like babies, and my son was about 16 months old sitting in the cart just quietly but intently watching everyone around him. The Dad said, of my son, "He's just checking out his environment." They were watching him, he was watching them, and I watched him just scanning from one person to the next taking in everything. The Dad and I chit chatted briefly in line, and as we left I waved and wished them a good day.

It was only after we got outside to the parking lot that it hit me. That family was black, and they talked to me. A series of these insignificant encounters with strangers in line at stores was mostly with black people. The white people by and large would not talk to me.

There is a condescending Southern expression, "You ain't from around here". "Yankee" is often used with the venom that accompanies the N-word. More than once, I got a dismissive look followed by someone turning their back or walking away from me. They did not speak the words "Yankee" or "You ain't from around here", but their actions said it.

In the caste system of The South, black people who would talk to me were in some way saying, "Oh, you ain't from around here, so you're not part of the white aristocracy. We can talk." This was an epiphany for me to realize I was a second class citizen living in a caste system. If it were Apartheid, then I might be "Colored".

South Africa was not abandoned because of Apartheid and neither should we abandon The South because of it's caste system.
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Charleston Chew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-11 03:31 PM
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19. 2012 Democratic National Convention
Pap is responsible for getting the security deposit back from the Time Warner Cable Arena located in Charlotte, N.C.


But for real, Pap is just on like that as to give Mark Schmitt a jumping off point.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-11 04:19 PM
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20. Like Wisconsin?
Ohio?
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