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Shallah Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 09:19 PM
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Can Prayer Make a Difference in California? (prayer based crime fighting, New Apostolic Reformation)
 
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ewark's Prayer-Based Crime Fighting Effort Isn't Working
Bruce Wilson

A radical notion: who needs cops? Just pray down crime. But in Newark, where the murder rate has risen over 70% from 2010 to 2011, the approach doesn't seem to be working very well. Privatizing government services has long been a key goal of the American religious right, and as a 2-part new Talk To Action report details (1 http://www.talk2action.org/story/2011/4/20/232844/831/ , 2 http://www.talk2action.org/story/2011/4/24/22559/1547/ ), the push for education vouchers has been orchestrated by right wing funders dedicated to eradicating public schools altogether. But voucher initiatives are presented as secular. Then, there's prayer-based crime fighting, an even more radical privatization scheme. {video, below, touts Pray For Newark's alleged crime fighting prowess as a model for all of California}


Pray For Newark claims amazing results as its Christian volunteers "prayer walk" the Newark city streets, seeking to pray down crime. As shown in the slickly-produced video (featured in this story) from Harvest Evangelism, the ministry credited with launching the Newark effort, by 2010 the effort had 100% coverage in the city, at least one prayer-walker per city street (Newark has over 1,000 streets) and exults that consequently, by March 2010, Newark had its first murder-free month since 1966.

Then, in late 2010, after a cost-cutting proposal led to a showdown with the local police union, Newark Mayor Corey Booker fired 167 city police officers. The results are unsurprising. By mid 2011, reports CBS, murders were up 71%, shootings up 29%, and auto theft up 39%. The magical results of Pray For Newark's prayer-based crime fighting effort seemed to suddenly evaporate.

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As I've described in previous articles (see 1, 2, 3), the Pray For Newark bills itself as being inspired by the writing of evangelist Ed Silvoso who, at his 2008 yearly conference, repeatedly likened enemies of his movement to rats that would be, when the time was right, exterminated (see conference video footage from Silvoso's 2008 International Transformation Network conference, held in Mar Del Plato, Argentina: 1, 2, 3.) Ed Silvoso's ministry is also tied to a key co-author of Uganda's so-called "kill the gays" bill.


this movement has political ties like with Hawaii gov. candidate James "Duke" Aiona - see this: http://www.talk2action.org/story/2010/10/22/182349/92

Lots more info so please click through and read this and associated articles.
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nebenaube Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 09:41 PM
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1. wow
Boy are they going to be upset when the big one occurs...
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 10:26 PM
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2. crime in LA is down to 60`s levels.......
praying it not going to do anything at all....
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 11:44 PM
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5. Chicken soup and prayer never
hurt anyone.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 08:17 AM
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6. you are right....
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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 11:03 PM
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3. K&R
Most religious prayer simply reinforces the victim-savior paradigm, thus reducing the participants to supplicants who are weak and ineffectual and unworthy (as Twelve Step programs attest), and underscores a belief that the participant is helpless to stop or change any aspect of their lives -- without a savior guiding the way. That savior, while spoken of as some god (Yahweh, Jesus, Allah, etc.) is in reality their earthly dictator/controller.

However, http://www.pnyv.org/fileadmin/images_articles/reports/Tm-Maharishi-Study.pdf">meditation has been http://www.informaworld.com/smpp/content~db=all~content=a903853120"> shown in a number of http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=meditation+reduces+crime&hl=en&as_sdt=0&as_vis=1&oi=scholart">studies to reduce aggression and crime. This is largely because meditation focuses upon relaxation and control of the self. It focuses upon the will and desire of the participants in such a way as to translate their thoughts and emotions into actions and to reduce stress and mental confusion. It's principle aim is to let the participant know that they have the power. That they are the one's in control of themselves. Which is not the kind of message that religions nor prisons normally seek to advance among prisoners.

No matter how beneficent they may seem on the surface, or how they go about doing it -- rough and hard for those to whom fear works best -- or the soft-sell lies about Jesus-prosperity and how He wants you to help your pastor get a new jet, in the end all religions ultimately seek to dominate the lives of their adherents with their dogma. But dogma is rigid and immovable, while reality -- as with all life -- is dynamic and ever-changing. Religion seeks to forcefully expurgate undesirable ideas and emotions through mindless ritual and unfocused and trivialized ideas and beliefs. All designed to render one incapable of controlling their own lives based upon the erroneous ideals about reality they've adopted under the aegis of their inherent sinful failings -- which they were born with. Meditation takes the participant at face value for what they are and seeks to assist them in changing and controlling their own lives for their own sake. It makes no judgements of an individual's worth.

- We create reality. And there's no getting around it.....

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wxgeek7 Donating Member (189 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 10:19 AM
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7. Prayer
Prayer is a form of meditation. And praying to Jesus Christ, our Lord and Saviour, makes us STRONG, not weak. :)
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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 12:21 PM
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8. Note that I said to: "most religious prayer." n/t
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 11:33 PM
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4. knr
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 12:57 PM
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9. It's not a radical notion.
We've tried to pray away all sorts of stuff throughout history. This is nothing new.

It is however, ridiculous.
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