Arnie Gundersen: Fukushima - no water in Mox reactor, hyrogen explosion possible, criticality

Run time: 11:44 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xqs-fh79suI   Posted on YouTube: May 13, 2011 By YouTube Member: fairewindsenergy Views on YouTube: 124   Posted on DU: May 13, 2011 By DU Member: flamingdem Views on DU: 3745

 
Gundersen says Fukushima's gaseous and liquid releases continue unabated. With a meltdown at Unit 1, Unit 4 leaning and facing possible collapse, several units contaminating ground water, and area school children outside the exclusion zone receiving adult occupational radiation doses, the situation continues to worsen. TEPCO needs a cohesive plan and international support to protect against world-wide contamination.

Also, he calculated that there was a detonation in Unit #3, no water, only air cooling (!), and prompt criticality going on.

Bad news all around. And the Japanese government is not expanding the exclusion zone? That is medieval and criminal. There is a swath of ground contamination that extends in the NW direction from Fukushima that's way longer than 30 km, and they are doing nothing about that. Those people should be evacuated. Fuck this.

because it would contaminate the plant with so much radioactivity I doubt anyone could work there.

I am assuming it's a top priority for them, well after the certain meltdown at Nuke #1 and the meltdowns yet unconfirmed at #2 and #3, yikes to many things to keep track of .. would like to see their to do list!

and Japan's government started expanding the evac zones, there would be mass panic?
Where could all those millions of people realistically go?
This is FUBAR indeed.

and the board of Tepco is made up of CEOs of the biggest banks and insurance companies in Japan.

They need to give a choice to anyone who wants to relocate and pay for it.

...always. "You can't handle the truth". Yet the elites can handle the truth, and they have time to get themselves and their own loved ones out of harm's way, without having to deal with the great unwashed and their unseemly "panic".

Funny how that works.

..due diligence.

There are things we can do to lessen the chances of harm. We can't eliminate the harm
from the incoming radioactive isotopes--but we can do some things to improve our chances.

I'm hoping--that as TEPCO begins spilling some truth, for a change--we can pivot this
conversation from the denial phase to the action phase. That will make it easier for
all of us to share ideas, tips and information.

Same as it always was. Survival of the basest.

"What shall it profit a man if he shall gain the whole world and lose his soul?"

Well, those who are essentially soulless to begin with don't have to be bothered with that choice.

That there's a fucking media black-out on this catastrophe is unconscionable.

and in other news....the Japanese harvesting of seaweed begins soon. Seaweed that Greenpeace says is off the charts with radiation. Are they going to send it to market, (and your local sushi bar)like it's no problem?

but their economic survival is at stake, and the government keeps saying "not harmful to human health" so it would be easy to justify sending radioactive food out, and very little is inspected upon arrival in the US, for instance.

and "Made In China" is on my avoid list.
Now, I'll be leery of any foodstuffs coming from Japan.
Hell....I'm a West-Coaster so I should now be leery of my own backyard garden.
They're contaminating the planet and they don't want it known. Fuckers.

Talking to the lady who usually waits on us at the fish counter. I asked when the fresh salmon would be showing up. She said supplies would be spotty because Japan can't fish their waters and would be importing as much salmon and any other fish as they can.

Expect supplies to be short and prices to rise.

CBC. I was searching yesterday for mention on the meltdown in No1 and found nothing.

HIllary colludes w Japan PM to block radiation monitoring "rumors and reputation" damage

http://upload.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard...

http://blogs.forbes.com/jeffmcmahon/2011/05/04/epa-halt ... /

Thanks a lot Hillary for blocking our access to data in an ongoing catastrophe for the sake of our "friend$$$" in Japan.

--- snip from article:
The joint statement follows an April 29 meeting between Secretary of State Hilary Clinton and Japanese Foreign Minister Takeaki Matsumoto. The two agreed to fight “rumors and reputation damage” that might harm Japan’s place in the supply chain, Matsumoto said.


EPA Halts Extra Radiation Monitoring; Focus Shifts To Seafood
May. 4 2011

The Environmental Protection Agency has halted accelerated testing of precipitation, drinking water, and milk for radiation from the Fukushima nuclear disaster, the agency announced yesterday.

“After a thorough data review showing declining radiation levels related to the Japanese nuclear incident, EPA has returned to the routine RadNet sampling and analysis process for precipitation, drinking water and milk,” according to yesterday’s Daily Data Summary.

Milk and drinking water will return to a regular quarterly schedule and will next be tested in three months. Preciptation will be tested monthly.

---snip

But the situation at Fukushima remains unstable, with plumes of white smoke continuing to escape from two reactors.

Radioactive emissions continue at the plant, Virgilio said, and they are difficult to monitor accurately:

political office? What is her thought process?

Once they are in office it's about the status quo and relations with Japan are critical since they are such an important ally and the economic issues outweigh a few hundred thousand cancers (+), sadly.

I also think they simply get bad advice from "science" people who can't see the big picture.

but think also they get disinformation from "science" people who are doing

bidding of elites/corporates in control --

Probably difficult to buck the tide when so much has been covered up --

Sadly, very FEW politicians resign as a statement, giving us a signal as to what's

going on -- !!

My personal experience and that of many colleagues is that scientists get routinely ignored by management and politicians. Most political appointees in government agencies do not have a science or engineering background, and the few that do are too busy currying favor and politicking to stay up with current developments.

Management is concerned with the bottom line, and any concerns that scientists and engineers send up the chain of command get diluted at each level and replaced with concern for how it would affect profits.

When the truth comes out, we will learn that: (1) there were engineers that were concerned about these very problems before they occurred and they were ignored; (2) the engineers were asked to remedy the problems and then given an inadequate budget; (3) engineers wanted to err on the side of caution, but politicians and management did not want to alarm the population; (4) there were proposals which, if implemented, could have ameliorated the problems much earlier, but management balked because of the cost; (5) scientists were aware of the "big picture", but they were blown off as being impractical. This set of truths is not unique to Fukushima, I think the same truths are leaking out slowly about the BP festivities in the Gulf of Mexico from last year.

If you think #5 isn't true, you need to learn more about the history of atomic power. After a couple of small reactor incidents in the '60s, many proposals appeared which called for putting nuclear power plants far underground (e.g. in abandoned mines), which now looks like a pretty good idea. If Chernobyl and Fukushima were both 500' underground, the 'exclusion zone' around them would be orders of magnitude smaller.

Needless to say in a politicized atmosphere scientists will be pushed aside vs profits --

the very basis of capitalism is exploittion of nature, natural resources, animal-life and

even other human beings according to various myths of inferiority.

Capialism -- and politics -- are suicidal for humanity and the planet.

A third-grader could figure that out -- yet here we go racing off the cliff!


Seenms the Mayor Fukushima more than 5 years ago wanted to close down the nuclear plants there --

they were aged and built to withstand ONLY 7.0 earthquakes while seismic activity continues to

expand -- and Global Warming will bring more and greater earthquakes.

The Mayor seems to have been moved aside and others brought in to keep the plants open.

A coup for corporate power -- but a coup on Japan and humanity!!


And -- agree -- BP another similar disaster -- with Obama/government protecting BP and oil

because oil is now a "national security issue." No oil/no war --

at least not until the Air Force develops some solar jets!!


If you think #5 isn't true, you need to learn more about the history of atomic power. After a couple of small reactor incidents in the '60s, many proposals appeared which called for putting nuclear power plants far underground (e.g. in abandoned mines), which now looks like a pretty good idea. If Chernobyl and Fukushima were both 500' underground, the 'exclusion zone' around them would be orders of magnitude smaller.

Nothing is a "better" situation with nuclear power --

Keep in mind that we exploded a number of nuclear bombs in outer space in the 1960's --

some think it was an effort to knock out the Van Allen Belts --

We also conducted many nuclear tests underground -- think we also permitted England to conduct

their tests at our testing grounds!

None of this could have been a benefit to the planet -- in fact, every possibility all of that

was highly destructive.


However, the SILENCE following the 1992 World Scientists' Warning to Humanity

by our "free press" is clear enough --

http://www.ucsusa.org/about/1992-world-scientists.html

One was an advisor to the PM and he quit on camera in tears, his issue being the doses the kids are getting.

with low level radiation.

HIllary colludes w Japan PM to block radiation monitoring "rumors and reputation" damage

http://upload.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard...

http://blogs.forbes.com/jeffmcmahon/2011/05/04/epa-halt ... /

Thanks a lot Hillary for blocking our access to data in an ongoing catastrophe for the sake of our "friend$$$" in Japan.

--- snip from article:
The joint statement follows an April 29 meeting between Secretary of State Hilary Clinton and Japanese Foreign Minister Takeaki Matsumoto. The two agreed to fight “rumors and reputation damage” that might harm Japan’s place in the supply chain, Matsumoto said.


EPA Halts Extra Radiation Monitoring; Focus Shifts To Seafood
May. 4 2011

The Environmental Protection Agency has halted accelerated testing of precipitation, drinking water, and milk for radiation from the Fukushima nuclear disaster, the agency announced yesterday.

“After a thorough data review showing declining radiation levels related to the Japanese nuclear incident, EPA has returned to the routine RadNet sampling and analysis process for precipitation, drinking water and milk,” according to yesterday’s Daily Data Summary.

Milk and drinking water will return to a regular quarterly schedule and will next be tested in three months. Preciptation will be tested monthly.

---snip

But the situation at Fukushima remains unstable, with plumes of white smoke continuing to escape from two reactors.

Radioactive emissions continue at the plant, Virgilio said, and they are difficult to monitor accurately:

the "what if's" and "what would we do if" -- kind of thing --

No one offering any VISION of what could happen here and what we could possibly

do in response --

And that is the job of journalism as well as reporting -- i.e., giving the public

an indication of possibilities and remedies --


There had been a movement to shut these plants down more than 5 years ago due to their

age -- and increasing seismic activity and because these plants were only built to

withstand 7.0 earthquakes. Think there were also problems with age of these plants/?

As they say, "there is no way to tell how Global Warming will compound" --

How many Americans know this includes more and stronger earthquakes --

and that earthquakes generate volcanic activity?


$300 billion so far to just try to recover from this disaster -- much more complicated

than simply trying to recover from natural events -- earthquake/350 aftershocks/tsunami.

What's the Pacific Ocean worth?

And -- this is not something that any private company should be controlling --

it's up to government to answer for this -- they gave license to it -- !!

My heart just sunk upon hearing about these kids. He said everything I've read on the matter. Here's a graph I saw this morning, and the guardian put out a report about the plans to flood Unit 1 could set off a blast. Reaching new highs in coporate crisis these days.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/may/13/fukushima-reactor-meltdown-flooding-warning



http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/dy/national/T110512006539.htm

Thanks for this well informed video with Mr. Gundersen

but they do seem desperate so it's good someone is sending a warning.

and since they're still letting children attend a toxic school area..Greenpeace is just a nuisance. We need to stay on this flamingdem. The media is silent as the grave. Am really worried. Will look for next week's update. He's really good.
:thumbsup:

in not moving its citizens to safer areas. That a high school is open but the "students have to wear masks and long sleeves" to avoid radiation is unbelievable but no doubt true.

I fear for us all!