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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-11 05:10 AM
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The End of the American Dream - Decaying Empire (Part 1)
 
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Laura Flanders speaks to Chris Hedges


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Stuttgart77 Donating Member (58 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-11 05:22 AM
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1. Chris didn't put his butt on the line to get OBL
Edited on Wed May-18-11 05:26 AM by Stuttgart77
Disgusting arm-chair quarterback.

Yes, the SEALS should chase OBL around the house they have no floorplan and idea about and roll around on the floor trying to subdue him all while he could have had the place rigged to blow up. They should put their lives at risk for that.

:sarcasm:

I'm sure Bin Laden would have loved to go out in a blaze of glory on HIS terms.

And then the ensuing side show of where to try him.... in New York City or Gitmo or The Hague or Timbuktu.

No thanks. Give it a rest. He's dead and will NOT be missed. They did it correctly.
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truth2power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-11 07:57 AM
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2. "Disgusting arm-chair quarterback"? ...
:rofl: :rofl:

Chris Hedges Speaks with eloquence about the complex situation in which we find ourselves.

As opposed to engaging in simplistic and juvenile flag waving.

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dotymed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-11 08:03 AM
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3. Obviously, this interview/conversation
went right over your head.

Most people agree that OBL was not put on trial because he "knew too much." In a Democracy, we are entitled (you must hate that word) to know AT LEAST as much as our "enemy" knows.

That is the whole problem, most Americans do not understand "WHY." Why we have so many enemies, why their numbers grow exponentially every day...etc..

Americans deserve to hear the reasons (from an enemy preferably) so that they can decide if our current foreign policy is worth following and are aware of the consequences. It is not all up to the politicians. they(are supposed to/used to) work for us. Ultimately it is the poor and average Americans who suffer and sacrifice for (IMO) this twisted policy we maintain. It is not the children of the wealthy/elite or the politicians (most of whom are in the first group...wealthy/elite) who die and or are permanently damaged in pursuit of this policy. Yes, the troops are great and they deserve much better.

Most of them, after returning from war, realize this and are against war and especially the "for profit" reason we are involved. I hope you never have to go to war (yes, economically, they HAVE to go to war). I wish that no one would ever have to go to war, except maybe the greedy bastards who start it.
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90-percent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-11 09:12 AM
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4. good post above
"That is the whole problem, most Americans do not understand "WHY." Why we have so many enemies, why their numbers grow exponentially every day...etc.."

this sentence says it all.

Your point about Servicemen "getting it" once they come back may be statistically erroneous. I saw a Army Recruiter at his bench outside the local supermarket last summer. I gave him a buck and said "Thanks for your service. I'm sorry you all had to go to Iraq for a lie". He said "We had to take care of the people responsible for 9-11."

It leads me to question how much our servicemen do end up understanding about American foreign Policy (or historical accuracy) after they come home?

I think this is most classic "cognitive dissonance" for them. They can't accept in their brains they fought for bullshit!

thank you for your profound post.

-90% Jimmy
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civilisation Donating Member (456 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-11 09:41 AM
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5. is sad to see comments like this,.
this is representative of how far the fascist right have pushed the line,. you cant' talk about "fighting for justice", and then go around murdering people, with no trial or justice system applied, just because you have claimed that they are "bad". There once was a thing called a trial, where evidence was introduced,. .

The fact that so called freedom loving Americans are cheering the corporate-military running around (most of the planet now), killing random people with remote controlled drone launched missiles, and secret unnamed assassin teams, is just an indication that the fascist have indeed taken over the debate (murdered it in fact) and now have the public so mind-fcked they they will support any insanity. OBL = Emmanuel Goldstein. Network news now provides the Two Minutes Hate every night at 6 and 11. Welcome to the end of freedom; the corpo-fascist endless war.
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neoralme Donating Member (812 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-11 09:52 AM
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7. Do we have payback yet for the false flag op carried out by the
Edited on Wed May-18-11 10:22 AM by neoralme
old testament enablers? Or do we need to kill a billion more Muslims in search of a new malleable bogeyman? I'm sure Seal Team Six is at the ready.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-11 11:40 AM
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12. Bush didn't put his butt on the line either
neither did any of the others who made political hay from the "war on terror". And here's a clue for you: there will be another bogeyman soon. The oligarchs can't live without one.
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neoralme Donating Member (812 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-11 09:47 AM
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6. This interview was exceptional. Chris Hedges, who I admire as
Edited on Wed May-18-11 10:39 AM by neoralme
a truth-teller supreme, is simply outstanding. Thanks for posting this.
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2banon Donating Member (794 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-11 10:27 AM
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8. Yes, Chris Hedges, Jeremy Scahill, Matt Taibbi, Naomi Kline
to name a few in this superior league of journalists, anaylists. Those that claim that killing the bogeyman was justified are simply of the historical facts underpinning the events we are witnessing. A agit prop and complacent press serving as State Sponsored Ministery of Propaganda, not withstanding. It's imperative that a free society is actually a factually informed society.

That is not where we are, nor we will ever be.
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neoralme Donating Member (812 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-11 10:41 AM
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9. Agreed. We are moving toward a USSR mentality.
ddd
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90-percent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-11 11:30 AM
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10. Moving towards?
It's my contention that America has already turned into a full blown totalitarian police state. It's just that "the Powers that Be" are still very selective and restrained about which "enemies of the state" they choose to ruin or murder.

Like Spitzer about to come down on Wall Street. Using the "total information awareness" capability made into law with the un-American Patriot Act, our government can "get the goods" on anybody that becomes threatening, and do their best to ruin them.

-90% Jimmy
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neoralme Donating Member (812 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-11 11:46 AM
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13. One needs to characterize gingerly here. But of course you are
right.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-11 11:37 AM
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11. My only quibble with Hedges
I read his column religiously each Monday. He's one of the few who actually speak the truth the state of the once-great nation. I would disagree with his contention that standing in the rain in Madison is going to accomplish something. It won't.
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2banon Donating Member (794 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-11 08:04 PM
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14. I'm afraid you're right..
but I try to give Hedges a few points for hanging on something that I've given up on.. faith in the American Citzenry to recognize what the hell is going on, and a willingness to take action against TPB.
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