Dr Helen Coldicot Japan Radiation will Kill Millions of People (18.03.11)

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Nothing much more I can add to this... The picture she paints is pitch black.

before I watch that.... :sarcasm:

I'm in bad news overload, so I think I'll leave that one for a bit later...sigh

the black plague did a good job in the 1600`s and now the japaneses reactors in the 2000`s

for the next few billion years.

Just a reptilian post alluvial pineal and pituitary at the base of the scull directing them to march in numbers and destroy everything in sight and eat our brains.

The opposable thumb seems like a bad evolutionary turn, in retrospect.

Living like the Morlocks underground, might be better.

I sure hope that we will be increasing worldwide morphine production to deal with the protracted agony of those of us who are hit hard with the impending and inevitable results of our radiation dosing.

Not just pain meds...everything..mushrooms and even the brown acid.

lol - on the opposable thumb bit..I needed a laugh.

They don't want the commoners to have any expectations that anyone is going to pay for all that cancer treatment that millions of us are going to need. :(

they sure as hell don't want to be held accountable for any of this suicidal

exploittion of the planet and humanity!!

And, I'd suggest that the food supply is probably where we are going to be hit

hardest and earliest -- radiation -- and chaotic weather all over the planet.

Imagine the secrets they've managed to keep covered up !!

There is nothing we can do about it. Humans don't deserve this planet.

that the TEPCO people aren't disclosing where all the TONS of radioactive water they poured onto the damaged reactors have gone? Did they have MASSIVE containment ponds where they could store this MASSIVE amount of water?

Don't even get me started about depleted uranium...

Likely, some is escaping the buildings into the groundwater, and sea. Some is accumulating in the buildings, and connected turbine and outbuildings.

Beyond that, they probably cannot be more specific at the moment. They've stated clearly, they do not know. That IS a disclosure.

but there were videos up where -- think his name is Gunderson -- talks about all

of this -- not much different from what Dr. Caldicott is saying --


Dr. Caldicott has been warning about all of this for at least 40 years --

:cry:

"We apologize for the inconvenience"

And I say, Don't panic and have your towel ready.

Since we now live in exponential times, we are experiencing the inception of our species' likely demise, even as we blog about it. We're too late to stop global climate change, and must 'go along for the ride.' And, we are witnessing the MIC and energy cartel pulling out all stops to guarantee we'll continue our insane addiction to oil, coal, and nuclear energy--all of which fatally pollute our planet every second of every minute of every day of every week of every month of every year that we exist.

Now, we have a nuclear disaster that is so horrific, even the pro-nuke activists on DU have gone silent about the 'future' of nuclear energy. One might think they're biding their time until the immediacy of the Fukushima event has faded into our hedonistic population's dim memory, but this is an unlikely outcome. We have yet to see the full extent of this disaster, and we can only predict the mortality rates, based on sketchy information that industry officials are loathe to release.

Our species' hubris will be our epitaph.

That is simply overwhelming.

It was 1974. I was coming home from college. My mother was driving. I said how concerned I was about nuclear power. I find it odd that a youngster could be so far ahead of so many high level engineers. I was frightened by the very thing that has just happened. And all people could say was don't worry until you see the whites of their eyes. Well, just like global warming, you don't wait for the symptoms. It's too late by then.

And now what. It's almost prophetic that I should have had dandelions for dinner tonight. I feel sorry for those who will suffer the consequences of this disaster. And we still cannot discuss why we got here. Just like corporate farming, we couldn't supply all the people without it. Argue as you will, our population growth brought this on.

The situation is more complex, with multiple reactors involved (technically, Chernobyl reactor 3 also caught fire, but it did not end up emitting radiation for it). It currently is not as bad. It COULD get as bad, possibly worse, but it isn't yet, and has a long way to go, if it is to become so.

The fuel may have escaped the Reactor Pressure Vessel, and the containment may be leaking water, but as long as the fuel remains INSIDE the containment, this is quite a lot less of a problem than Chernobyl was. Still boggles my mind how people seem to want to minimize the reality of what happened at Chernobyl, or even Chelyabinsk, or others. Just amazing.

I was going to post about trusting her. But then I saw the post below about her space shuttle ozone prediction. That's not good. I was totally trusting of Dr. Caldicott after hearing her great talks on DU in the middle east.

Now I'll just have to see.

And I think it was Democracy Now. She was just describing the situation with children playing with discarded weapons, and the soil contamination with depleted Uranium. She comes across as being legitimate. And the facts do back her up. The children are seeing increased tumors and birth defects. As for Fukushima, I don't know. I would imagine it's going to be a monster of a problem.

2 local people ( military) personally, who are affected by DU from Iraq. Not pretty!

It was a serious issue raised by the designers of the Russian Energia rocket.
It was serious enough that NASA flew jets in the rocket plumes to measure chlorine and aluminum concentrations.
I posted some references down below in post #90: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=385&topic_id=584724&mesg_id=585392

the people most concerned and pessimistic about this problem are those who live far from it.

and we've had articles posted here at DU discussing that --

It's remarkably fact-free, hysterical, and non-actionable information.

Don't eat food from Europe? REALLY?

Well, good to know I guess...

insider information. Trust me, this is indeed "fact-free, hysterial and non-actionable information" as AthiestCrusader so aptly put it.

I alway get my facts 2nd or 3rd hand via speculative hearsay on Teh Internets, now I can sleep tonight.

The person who said the space shuttle was destroying the ozone layer. By her words, the ozone layer should be half gone by now.

Why do people keep posting the babble of loons?

Thanks. I really should be a bit more skeptical until proven wrong. I thought she was on top of her game.

It was enough of a concern that in 1997 jet fighters were flown through the shuttle and other rocket plumes to measure the chlorine and aluminum concentrations in the plumes:


Project Censored reported on the subject in 1990 based on a report by Russian scientists:

At one point they were anticipating 2 or 3 shuttle launches a week - they never came anywhere near that, but that launch rate could have been disastrous based on the science at the time.

In her 1992 book, on the bottom of page 19 she wrote:

I read that about her on Wikipedia. WTF?

I think she's a bit of an anti-nuke kook. Going to extremes to promote her agenda. I mean she actually said, not to eat european food! (i.e. due to chernobyl disaster)

I'm anti-nuke too, and believe Fukushima's bad for Japan. But it seems like she's going overboard, making us all think something like a world-wide apocalytic scenario is here/near.

I'm trying to come to a conclusion myself. I'd like to hear what why you think that.

First of all, 6 reactors aren't at risk. 5, 6 are cold shutdown. Dead. Safe. 4 has an empty core, only the storage fuel pool (and building integrity are at risk).

Then she describes chernobyl as a meltdown. Chernobyl was a prompt criticality excursion, and explosion, not a meltdown. Much of the core was not available to melt down at all, because it had already been vaporized, carried out by the explosion, and sent on it's way around the world.

None of the ideas she is trying to stich together map to reality.


The Chernobyl deaths numbers are hotly disputed to this day, and I think that is fair. But Fukushima, in it's current state, cannot possibly be orders of magnitude worse, as Fukushima has not released much more than 80 petabecquerels of radiation (best estimates based on NHK, TEPCO, and actual people crowdsourcing radiation monitoring readings.). When Chernobyl went a-glitter, it released, according to most reports, around 120,000 petabecquerels, and as much as 300,000 petabecquerels of radiation.


What's going into the sea, at Fukushima, is pretty much a local threat only. One would have difficulty cataloging all the reactors, warheads, and nuclear waste dumped by various parties, around the world at sea. Yes, ocean pollution is something we should fight, but scale is important, when considering how damaging Fukushima is. That's a big damn ocean, and it has swallowed entire operating reactors before, never to be seen again. Nary a burp. Dumping there on purpose would be asinine, but if I were given a choice between the modes of release, airborne at Chernobyl, or mostly waterborne, at Fukushima, I'd take Fukushima in a heartbeat. Even with it's proximity to Tokyo (not a comparable issue at Chernobyl), and even with multiple reactors and more fuel involved.

I cannot promise you Fukushima Dai-ichi won't get worse. It probably will, or at the least, things that have already happened, but not yet realized will likely be reckoned, in the future. I would be foolish to tell you it can't get worse. It may. But as things stand, right now, to the best of everyone's knowledge, this event is not as bad as Chernobyl was.

Glenn Beck's poisonous end-of-the-world diatribes. She takes basic facts about nuclear fission and then she DHMO's it.

http://www.dhmo.org/facts.html

Understand that DHMO, dihydrogen monoxide, is WATER, but all of the facts are true. That is what she is doing. And as far as "harnessing the power of the sun" is concerned...uh, fission has nothing to do with the sun. That's FUSION, which we have not yet harnessed for anything other than thermonuclear bombs, but if we could harness it, would be a safe, clean and nearly endless source of energy for millennia to come. I put this hysterical over-reaction on the same level as climate-change deniers cherry-picking facts to support their own agenda.

being dumped into Pacific Ocean -- that's not propaganda --

We have at least one reactor in meltdown and strong indications that the others

are not much better off --

Plus warheads. Plus drums of nuclear waste.

Exposure isn't the issue. We're talking about ingestion of radioactive particulates. This is the big issue. And it isn't just confined to the local area. I strongly suggest you read up on the effects of ingestion.

Also, Plutonium 239 is not even the same animal as Pu 238. Weapons grade Plutonium versus reactor Plutonium.

I've been trying to find fault with Dr. Caldicott's statements. I've been searching a little. But I'm coming up empty. I have yet to find a valid refute.

is one way of measuring how much particulate matter has been released. Fukushima's proximity to densely populated areas is a concern over Chernobyl, but on the flipside, Fukushima hasn't released nearly as much radioactive particles of all involved isotope types. As things are currently trending, Fukushima will never release anywhere near as much particulate matter. Not airborne, not via the sea.

I didn't make any comments on the Plutonium issue (maybe another poster?) so not knowing why you are pointing out the two isotopes, I'm not sure where you're going with it. Certainly, ingestion is a problem. The heavier elements don't carry very far in the atmosphere though, so that's helpful.

Even her comments on Americium are alarmist.
I just about guarantee you have a one eighth, to a half a microgram or more of it in your house, right now.

Yeah, really? So which decade are they going to potentially have these things cooled? They've run out of places to store the contaminated water they have already generated in the past 60 days and are leaking/dumping it into the ocean. Maybe once this is brought under control you're wonderously confident statements about this disaster with respect Chornobyl can be taken as anything other than a pro-nuke advocate pretending like there is a solid position of control and understanding from which to make categorical statements about Fukushima.

In my view, Fukushima is already worse or at the very least going to be worse, depending on which data sets are not considered utter bullshit at the present time.

because of Chernobyl?

Because if you haven't found that, seeking a rebuttal as you do is like breathlessly reporting that you haven't found a rebuttal to the thesis that there are transvestite unicorns prancing on Jupiters rocky core.

To help you along, I'm going to remind you that international organisations employing hundreds of scientists and not affiliated to the nuclear industry have put the number at roughly 3000 deaths on the weight of several years of evidence.

If you can magic up the as-yet-unpresented evidence that this lone crusader (who doesn't appear to have spent a lot of time actually researching, rather than cobbling together newspaper reports and obscure Russion research papers that don't actually support her assertians) has for her outlandish claims, perhaps those of us with a little more respect for the scientific process will think there's something to rebut

You better go read up on the differences of Plutonium isotopes and where the come from.
Try wikipedia on 239Pu for starters.

If the water gets higher, the cooling systems on 5 and 6 will fail, so yes, they are at risk. :nuke::nuke:

Fortunately both reactor buildings are fine, storage pools are fine, and the reactors themselves are some physical distance from the brouhaha going on at 1-4.

(5, or 6, or both are Mark II containments, as well. Not that I would like to see it put to the test)

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Impression we should ALL just put a gun to our heads and pull the trigger now..after all, to her, were all dead already. She could have been in this scene:


"SIR, HE'S DEAD ALREADY..."

Sadly the oil industry - ExxonMobil, especially -- was able to take advantage of a

50 year gap in Global Warming during which we were feeling very little of its effects --

to run it's 50 years of disinformation and misinformation and lies about Global Warming

to confuse and deceive the public --

That's where we are now -- only up to about 1960 re our human activity which has so

negatively impacted the planet.

Scientists have had models of Global Warming since the late 1950's --

They also knew by the end of the 1880's and the Industrial Revolution that the populations

and activities were harming nature -- seriously so.

And, after all this time when we could have done something to STOP this suicidal exploittion

of the planet and humanity which we call capitalism --

We still don't want to know?

She is correct in some of her points, but she has some of her facts grossly wrong. Which does not help her message...

The test is for radiation because the boars eat wild mushrooms, which absorb radiation. The killed boars are taken to a kind of tierheim, or animal shelter, for testing.

I spoke to a German hunter recently, and he said he hadn't heard of an incident of a positive test for some time.

Alsace, France has had a higher than normal incidence of thyroid cancer since Chernobyl.

to bring little ones here to this callous uncaring hellhole would be sinful, I think.

but I am concerned about the ramifications of all this radiation being spread throughout Japan and then the rest of the World. Either way, I'd rather be alarmed than put to sleep by some apologist in the media.

She may be nuts, or exaggerating. It's hard to believe someone with her degree of education would be far off the mark.

Either way, nuclear has to stop. There are better ways. And we're already in enough trouble from other things. It's adding up.

and the crazies are in charge.

I still boggle at the existence of so many reactors, 200 yards from the coastline; in the most earthquake and tsunami prone country on Earth.

What a horrible disaster!

we're playing around with things we don't fully understand and can not control - on top of that placing them in horrible places - we're screwed.

Caldicot is speaking rubbish and there is no evidence to support her outrageous claims. I don't give a damn how you feel about nuclear, spreading this kind of disinformation without a shred of credible evidence is thoroughly irresponsible.

George Monbiot does an excellent job of rebutting Caldicots wild claims here, if anyones interested

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/apr/05/anti-nuclear-lobby-misled-world



If you want to become as patently absurd as the ideologically motivated climate-deniers who trot out Lord Monckton like he isn't just an upper class clown with a radio friendly speaking voice, carry on treating Caldicot's fabrications as serious commentary on nuclear power

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None.

If you think there is, please be so kind as to post it? Apparently she couldn't provide a shred of evidence to Monbiot, a highly respected columnist with scientific qualifications who's usually meticulous with his fact chacking. If not, your appeal to authority is as empty as Caldicots claims appear to be.

This is beyond the point. Some "reporter" who knows a little about science is your support against her?

Her life long education and qualifications are far far beyond that. Her work is supported by her peers and the fact that many just cant accept or process what she is saying does not undermine her validity. She just has the guts to say what others wont or are paid not to say.


She is closer to the truth than many here are. I dont like to hear it either.

at global organisations that are not in the pocket of the nuclear industry, with a mandate to monitor the long term effects of events like Chernobyl, that flat out disagree with her and have substantial research to back their assertians. Color me unimpressed until you an dredge up one credible piece of evidence to support her claim of a million dead.

Just one

There seem to be some nagging little academic articles from Ukraine, Belorus and Western Russia that might have you less equivocal.

From 3 mile island, kindergarten of Nuclear disasters! I was exposed to radiation 120 miles east that day & within 2 years, my thyroid was turning cancerous & had to be removed.
I am one of those who need a daily pill to stay alive! 2 years ago, Armour stopped making thyroid pills, from pig thyroid, I had to go to CANADA TO GET PIG THRYROID .......FORREST LABS THE ONLY ONE IN USA PROCESSING THE
PORK THYROID! IT IS NOT financially rewarding by the time they feed & raise the pigs, etc etc. Synthetic drugs exclude T 2 needed for full human functioning..............WHY? Don't have that answer.
WHAT SIZE LAND USE DO I PERSONALLY NEED TO SUSTAIN LIFE?
WHEN YOU EXAMINE THE inefficient way the thyroid meds are handled..is it a stretch to think the administering of Nuclear Power plants is well & safely done??

Your thyroid problems do not prove that a million people died because of Chernobyl. Do you honestly not understand this?

She made a ridiculous claim for which there is absolutely no evidence. She did not claim that one person near the site of the disaster had a thyroid problem. She claimed that a million people died.

And a global organisation with no ties to the industry, employing hundreds of scientists, established a figure of roughly 3000 after several years of research.

Your manner of reasoning is akin to climate change deniers yelling "It was cold here yesterday, so global warming is a lie!!!!one11"

As another poster said, its depressing to realise this kind of idiocy isn't limited to right wing evangelicals.

Are you refering to WHO? With the hold IAEA veto on nuke related publication since the '50s?

She's never worked as a researcher, so there is no way she could be "peer reviewed"

If you mean respected by fear mongers, then yes, she is.

If you mean scientists, then no, she is not. scientists work with facts and evidence. She works with fear.

It's an embarrassment to DU to have this idiocy posted here. This is the equivalent of the Repigs Birthers and Global Warning is a fake types - no brain cells, lots of hysteria.

She told us that French wine was radioactive and that Hershey bars were bad because they have some ingredients in them that come from France. Needless to say, my Environmental Science professor and I got a big laugh out of the whole show.

All the commentators here trying to discredit the messenger yet not one has referenced to a single scientific peer review article that does just that. Where's the beef?

I thought we were gonners?

thinking of ourselves as "a little lower than the angels"
and started thinking of ourselves as a little higher than the chimpanzees...we might just get humble enough to save ourselves.

.

And the effects of Chernobyl are continuing.

I thought Fukushima, with its multiple meltdowns, would be a sobering opportunity for us to close down our nuclear plants and quadruple our support of conservation and renewable energy technologies.

It could be. But the effects of Chernobyl and Fukushima are so frightening that we want to turn away and pretend they can't be true. If we don't look, maybe dumping millions of gallons of radioactive cooling water into the ocean won't matter. If we don't look, maybe having three meltdowns in Fukushima instead of just the one in Chernobyl won't make it much worse for humanity.

This is the real thing. And no one in the media seems to sense the urgency. Or they are deliberately downplaying the message.