Must See Rachel Maddow Segment on Terrorism

Run time: 07:08 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-6DjC6eNq4   Posted on YouTube: June 08, 2011 By YouTube Member: onehandle Views on YouTube: 1   Posted on DU: June 08, 2011 By DU Member: onehandle Views on DU: 2563

 

Their arms are coming from somewhere and I'm pretty sure that "somewhere" is in this country. What's to stop a citizen with no criminal record from simply buying guns retail and then selling them illegally to drug smugglers or terrorists? Frankly, requiring FBI checks at gunshows and limiting purchases of the prefered weapons of mass violence to one per month seems pretty reasonable. At the very least, a high volume purchase ought to result in a notification to the FBI the same way that large cash transactions trigger notification to the IRS.

stolen from military depots. The also get some from China, Vietnam and North Korea. That is according to Wikileaks and non US news sources. The Mexican drug gangs are using machine guns and crew serviced weapons. Stuff you can not get at a gun show in the US.

Despite what she says, you can't buy full-auto at any FFL gun dealer. That problem was solved in 1934 with the Gun Control Act of that year. Nor can you easily convert a semi-auto to full auto. Any semi that can be easily converted is labeled as a machine gun by the BATFE and is subject to the GCA of 1934.

Further, the Mexican cartels will not be willing to pay American prices ($1,000 for a semi-auto knock off of an AK-47)for guns that they can get from China (and other countries) for a fraction of the price ($50 for a genuine full-auto AK-47)and smuggle in. After all, they smuggle in drugs so why not smuggle some guns too?

Many of those guns that you see are Cold War leftovers. During the 1970s and 1980s both the US and the USSR supplied piles of guns to the area for the proxy wars. Those guns didn't vanish with the end of the cold war. Guns are very durable items and can last for over a hundred years with minimal care.

Some of the guns whose serial numbers were traced to the US have turned out to be M-16s that we supplied to the South Vietnamese forces during that war. After the war they were gathered up and supplied to Communist rebels, and are now sold to the cartels.

The 90% figure that you have heard is bogus. The real statement is: 90% of the guns submitted to the US for tracing were found to come from here. The Mexican government isn't going to both submitting a full-auto AK-47 with Chinese markings to us for tracing when it obviously came from China, or Russian markings for the same reason. A higher percentage of handguns may come from here but that would be because China doesn't make a lot of pistols.

Also the so-called terrorist watch list was soundly opposed by just about everybody here at DU, until it became suggested as a no-guns list as well as a no-fly list. Then suddenly some progressives loved Bush's secret list. That list is not a list of people but a list of names. If you happen to have the same name as someone one the list then she would deny you the ability to buy a gun. So if you name is John Smith or other common name, you would be out of luck. You would be denied a right without any due process.

She would do better to become well-informed about guns instead of believing the VPC, Brady's and other anti-guns groups lies. And she should be consistent in her view of the Bush secret list. If it is a bad list for no-fly then it is a bad list for no-guns. Except that I think she would prefer no one at all to have any guns.

Thanks for the explaining the gun regulations. My only problem is why the handlers of this Gadan guy would like to restrict our gun laws any further. Btw the terrorist watch list wasn't ok under Bush and its still not ok under Obama, scrap the stupid list already

I'm assuming you are relying on something since your information is pretty detailed.

I don't disagree about the no-fly list.

Stratfor.com has done excellent reporting on the issue. I also found it in Mexican and Central American media. That plus when I see the pictures of the "finds" there are a lot automatic weapons (machine guns). There is no way those came from gun shows or Wal Mart because the background check and registration required by the National Firearms Act of 1934, which is about the same as getting a SECRET security clearance. Besides almost all privately owned machine guns are antiques and are very expensive. In case you are wondering why congress did not ban them in the 1930s, it is because the sponsors of the bill did not think a ban would survive a SCOTUS challenge. At least that is where I found the information.
I noticed it was meant for Greenstorm after I posted. My bad, long day. :blush: I have no idea where he gets his, so he will have to speak for himself.

Some of the information is from other DU threads. We have frequently discussed the 1934 Gun Control Act that all but banned full-auto. You just can't go into a gun store or gun show and buy a full-auto firearm.

Comparative price of AK-47s is from Googling "Price of AK-47 in Africa" gets lots of hits with prices ranging from $30 to $150. Doing the same for China gets and average price of $50. American prices are from http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/SearchResults.aspx . I was a bit off when I said $1,000. Depending upon manufacturer the prices run around $650. It is logical that a smuggling operation would decline the high American prices of semi-auto knock-offs in favor of such cheap genuine full-auto items and bring them in the way they do drugs.

Wikileaks provides some of the info. That both the US and USSR flooded the region with small arms during the Cold War proxy wars is common knowledge. Remember Iran-Contra?

There have been various excellent DU threads here in the gungeon regarding the fallacy of the US supplying "90%" of the guns to Mexico. The actual figure is around 15%, mostly handguns.

And it makes sense.

Guns are plentiful and cheap here and the drug cartels are coming here anyway to drop off the drugs. So it makes economic sense to get guns to sell back in Mexico where regulations are tighter.

http://data.grip.org/documents/200911231753.pdf

Not to say they aren't getting guns from any other source. But it's silly to act as drug cartels can't figure out simple economics like this.

And we really don't have an organized way to track straw purchases (which is what you described)

I am sure at least some will flame me but this isnt' abotu the 2nd amendment or even guns per se. It's simply one more way for these guys to make money.

Southern border. Why pay 800-1200 for a semi auto when you can pay half that for a full auto? Since they are using machine guns and crew serviced weapons, that is the reality. While your point is well taken, it is based on incomplete information.
Since straw purchases are a felony, how would you track it? Why track it when you can prosecute?

The document says it is written by the VPC, which I take about as seriously as you would believe anything from the NRA.

A Chinese genuine full-auto AK-47 costs about $50. An American knock off of an AK-47 that is semi-auto only cost about $650. As you said, the cartels aren't stupid about economics. Why pay $650 for an inferiour product when you can get a superior one for $50 plus smuggling costs from China or Africa.

Why are they not trying to kill the Adam guy? He releases videos, promotes terrorism and in fact teaches tactics and techniques (even if they are wrong)on how to kill Americans. Please don't tell me we do not know where this guy is, heck Bill Maher interviewed him in person for his Religilous movie. My guess is that he is CIA bogeyman who is put out every now and then to keep Americans fearful of the Arabs.

Sad to see Rachel buying into their propaganda.

that he was a CIA bogeyman. Now that the Soviet Union is gone we have to justify military spending somehow. Not to say that this adds up to justification.

a CIA mole.

Who has yet to find out first hand that doing favors for the CIA shortens your life expectancy.

terrorist watch list that had 6yr olds, Nelson Mandela amongst many other innocent people in it? A list you cannot dispute or even check to see if you are on it. And btw what is the difference between semi automatic and regular 1 trigger 1 shot guns? Btw if all those so called 249 terrorist that bought guns last year, how long should we wait before they start committing terrorist acts?

One last thing, none of the hijackers on 911 had any criminal or mental illness record that would prevent them from purchasing guns, so how exactly would background checks prevent those guys from committing gun crimes. The truth is that there are some crimes we cannot prevent in a free society and to a point, we just have to hope that people would do the right thing and not try to blow us up

Cognitive dissonance or good old fashioned hypocrisy reigns.

~~98 percent of Rachel Maddow's broadcasts ARE MUST SEE!

of total BS.

it might be worth protecting, but we've given away our freedoms anyhow, so what's the point? The idea of the 2nd amendment was to avoid having a standing army and a police state, and maybe it worked for a while, but not for a very long time now, at least since WWII. All guns do now is increase the fear we feel the powers that be exploit to keep us subjugated and manipulated and divided against ourselves.

Did congress repeal the National Firearms Act of 1934? If not, you can not buy an automatic weapon without a background check from a gun show or Wal Mart. In fact, you can not buy one at either place. So this AQ guy reads a couple of Brady talking points and really thinks he can go to a gun show (where all federal and local gun laws do not apply, according to the canard) and legally walk out the door with machine guns or buy a gun from a FFL holder at a gun show without going through NICS. So what? He does not know what he is talking about. It knowledge US gun control laws matches disinformation put out by the Brady Campaign.
Even if AQ could, why pay thousands for an antique Thompson when it would be cheaper for them to simply buy a bicycle repair shop and make WW2 era Sten submachine guns by the dozens. That is exactly what the Polish and Danish resistance did during WW2. Rachel knows this or could easily research it. She did not and chose to be dishonest on this one issue.

I have to question their motives.

Rachel isn't stupid , she knew she was lying