"This Is The Most GUTLESS Institution!" Congresswoman Marcy Kaptur

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Representative Marcy Kaptur (D - OH)

http://www.kaptur.house.gov/

Someone should remind Dr. Fate that Obama campaigned on a liberal, progressive agenda. That's what got him elected; that and GWB fucking the country from one end to the other. No, the American people aren't "center-right", but the Presidency and the Senate might be. The politicians of today do not represent true mainstream Americans. They represent the corporate elite.

And welcome to DU!

Obama's a conservative guy. From what I saw, he always voted, and campaigned on a center-right platform. I agree that much of the country is well left of the Democratic Party, but we're not going to get representation so long as people keep arguing that we just need to suck it up and vote for someone who will abuse us less than the other guy we could vote for.

I'll never vote for a conservative from either party again.

I've almost always voted for Democrats, and I probably still will. What we really need is electoral reform, but almost no one is campaigning on that, so I still have to go with the guy who I think won't make matters worse. Of course primaries are important, but my state fucked up our last primary, so I had no say in who the party nominee was.

And corporate money is not needed to run for office...

Republicans AND Democrats will be owned by corporations.

I would elaborate, but for some reason, my font size when I post is tiny.

Any help on this is appreciated.

When I read it, it is normal (after posting) but when writing, it is tiny....

hold down the ctr key and use the scroll wheel on your mouse--that will affect the size of how your font looks when you're typing a message. Or press ctr and 0 (zero) and that resets the screen.

I wish I were more savvy in these matters. The ctr and scroll worked wonderfully.

that the incumbent party will bite the hands that feed them and enact laws that will curb the insanity of campaign spending/financing? Why would they even the playing field for those not in the club? What we have here is a Gordian Knot that no one has the tools to cut and a Supreme Court with a majority on the same gravy train. I heard that Obama is talking about reform. I have no idea how he will get there.

Are there any solutions? I swear I can't think of any.

don't they?

But I'd prefer to kick them in their greedy, skanky @$$es till they run crying to their mommies.

Repugs do it for fun and personal gain, despite the suffering they know they bring.

:applause: who's the dirt wad sitting behind her? He's about as interested as a cadaver

he has been ungoing treatment for colon cancer since late april.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maurice_Hinchey

he seemed as though he was tired of hearing her. But then not being there am probably reading it all wrong. Thanks for the info

eom

Anyone who votes to take food away from children doesn't belong in Congress (or any church for that matter)!

Marcy Kaptur should be given a bigger job. She is wonderful! She has a moral backbone and would be the perfect person to bring an ethical, values-driven voice to the President's cabinet. At this time, Obama seems to have collected a crew of amoral egotists. No wonder he can't get the economy to improve.

they have earned the anger and hatred of the lower classes.... and one day, it will come time for them all to stand in front of these angry people and try to justify what and why they did what they did.

Watch people try to throw her under the bus for this.

But, I'm like you. If she keeps it up and starts getting a little TOO close for the powers-that-be's comfort, they'll do something like implicate her in some scandal, find a real ringer to run against her, or something. I'm waiting for the Citizens United decision to lead to massive smear campaigns against her. She goes after big money like Wall Street and calls them out for what they've done to this nation, its people and its economy. She understands the root causes of our economic problems in this country.

and she will probably need it when the time comes.

What the republicans are doing to this country is going way beyond politics. They are driving this country into poverty and either they see it and don't care or are blinded by their self-interest.

I don't know if I could ever get the smile off my face. As it is, we have a perpetually UNchallenged dolt (Rethug) that makes Tums and Naproxen daily staples. :puke:

She is one smart and tough lady.

K&R

I like the way she speaks - forcefully and with conviction......I've never seen her back down with anybody.

the list goes on...

The Far Liberals just need to move on.

They remind me of the folkies who cried when Dylan went electric.

Guess what- the times are a changing- this is a center right nation, not the 1960's.

Get with the new normal, folks.

Her comments are mainstream and resonate with a majority of working-class citizens. Her delivery may be that of a thoughtful grandmother (vs. some right-wing male blow-hard), but the content of her message is true and should be echoing in every working-class home in the USA.

If she is so "mainstream"- then REAL mainstream politicians like Pelosi, Reid and Obama would be having press conferences parroting her rhetoric, or otherwise backing her up 100% in an official capacity.

Not gonna happen, because it's not mainstream at all- but extremely far left, Jane Fonda, Partty Hearst stuff.

You dont call Republicans and conservatives "gutless" and expect to win elections- voters are tired of all this fighting and disagreeing. All the polls say so.

And they will win b/c they dont go round saying far left liberal stuff.

Centrism WINS. That is why centrists are strutting up and down the halls of congress and the WH, while Liberals are struggling to even sound mainstream.

Ask Grayson, Dukakis, Carter and McGovern how the 60's, Micheal Moore stuff worked out for them.

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Yes- that means you might not get your pony, but it does mean that Obama et al will sail into re-election. I realize this disappoints many far lefts.

re-elected.

If there's someone else out there who will do what's right and steer this country's ship in the right direction, I'll vote for that person. But don't tell me to get in line and play nice with the Wall Street crooks and their accomplices in the federal government just because we want Obama to win.

Elections are supposed to be about electing people to do the right thing, not to win the election like it's some football game you're rooting your team to win.

B/c that is what will happen unless you support all the DEMS.

If you dont support electing more centrists (Far left, non-mainstream Liberals are un-electabe in most districts & states), then expect us to have to continue compromising with the GOP and giving more tax breaks to the Kochs.

Dont say we didnt warn you. Can you say President Palin? Can you say even MORE tax breaks for the Kochs?

Oh, that's right, FUCKING DLC DEMOCRATS.

They sure as hell lost sight of what it means to be a Democrat. Nothing but cowards.

n/t

and a real Republican, the people will vote for a real Republican every time.

Harry Truman



You've forgotten what a Democrat looks like.

You should return to Free Republic and stay there.

with the other kids in the sandbox, we wouldn't be in the economic mess that we're in.

Are you suggesting that Kaptur just get in line with the rest of the gang? We just keep the same problems, but by god, at least Kaptur won't be saying those mean things about those poor old people from Wall Street who created the mess we're in and will permanently drive the country's economy off a cliff if something doesn't change.

The problem, Dr. Fate, is that too many of the Pelosis, Reids and Obamas have facilitated the problem by playing nice with the Wall Street gang because they get cushy sums of campaign cash for playing nice. If more people don't wake up and start acting speaking out more like Kaptur, our economy will make the Great Depression look like a picnic in the park.

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Typical DLC crap. So you don't support true Democratic Party principles? You don't believe that we should speak the truth in no uncertain terms? Get a clue Dr Faint. That is what got the party where it is now. Too many of your DLC clones out there as it is

You're not just dating yourself, you've revealed a STEREOTYPE perspective of a classic Ultra Right Wing ideologue. I mean this is 2011 Not the early 70's!

And welcome to the DU.

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healthcare, a ride to work and food on your table every night. I recognize you because I was just like you before life kicked me in the ass. This isn't "60's stuff," this is 2011 reality. I just hope you don't have to live it.

The Democratic Party will rue the day they went along with this bunch of sniveling cowards and sellouts. All you've done in this thread is pull out the old standbys. You know, "President Palin", "professional left", and "ponies". You guys have been wrong about EVERYTHING, at every turn, and will continue to be.

The New Normal???? :rofl:

Yeah right..

You're right about one thing, this sure the hell isn't the 60's. And that's a good thing. But instead, we're trying to make like it's the fucking late 20's and early 30's like that was such a great time in our history.

Far liberals? You mean the ones that want to preserve the inadequate U.S. social safety net? You call them far left? No one is proposing new programs. So why do you characterize it as "far left"?

This nation is no more center right than the man in the moon. This following is where the American people are and it is NOT center right. Of course we know Republicans posing as Democrats on the DU lie.

can't Democrats make this argument to the public in unison? The effects of Republican policies are in direct opposition to the lively-hood of middle-America...-

Sorry- but the professional left is a teeny, tiny MINORITY- and there is a reason for that. Being WRONG on the major issues (war, economy, etc) tends to get such results.

My question is, do you believe that's a good thing?

You really thuink DEM strategists are stupid enough to go against the polls? Not me.

Check the polls- Obama is WINNING now and he is going to WIN in 2012. END OF DISCUSSION.

We are a nation controlled by mega-corporations and I believe you know that, but to acknowledge that fact diminishes the results of polls and/or elections because.

1. Mega-corporations own and control the mass media which most Americans get their information from, be it television, radio, book or magazine and of course they're trying to make inroads in to the Internet. So the everyday news is virtually always slanted toward the corporate point of view, simply put because the corporate media has an inherent conflict of interest whether it's due to their conglomerate ownership or the need to sell commercials to their corporate commercial buying clients.

2. They control the political debates whether someone gets invited or not, whether they're placed on the edge of the stage and the quantity/quality of questions asked.

3. To a large degree the corporate media control what political scandals are worthy of covering and which ones are not, ie; I haven't heard coverage of Clarence Thomas' conflict of interest, but when a couple of third rate pimp and whore actors put heavily edited videos out to take down a community promoting organization; dedicated to lifting the people up, said pseudo scandal is covered too high heaven until the gutless Congress from which the OP covers races to cut off the people empowering organization's funding.

That is the political/social environment in the United States, now if everyone were to do as you suggest, to forget the liberal side and run to the center, what would happen to the center?

Well the past fifty years has shown that if the center moves to the right, the already existing right goes off the edge in an effort to out brown nose those mega-corporations in the pursuit of campaign or issue election related dollars.

If there is no aggressive pullback in this eternal tug of war from the left, the nation will simply go off the cliff with the far right corporate loving fascists.

It's called being MAINSTREAM.

Mainstream people LIKE Wal mart. Mainstream people BUY GAS from BP. So sorry if they dont want your organic herbs and hand made afghans. Not everyone can afford to be an elitist far left.

Most Americans dont think corporations are evil like the average professional lefitist does.

If anything, they are glad to get hired by one, or glad to buy their fairly priced products.

As popular as you claim bashing corporations is, the far left failed to elect Grayson, the far left failed to hold on to Wisconsin, etc, etc.

Obama, Reid, Pelosi, etc. understand this. Then again, they are winners.

Working for an artificial entity; created for legal protections and to avoid taxation isn't the same thing as wanting said artificial construct to represent employees best interests whether in the public or private sphere. If they did, children would still be working as cheap labor in coal mines and factories, no one would get paid overtime, safety regulations would be shit, and the environment would be in even worse shape than it is.

There is nothing "Mainstream" about one way, top town information; controlled and edited by a handful of mega-corporations, information vital for the people to use in making their critical political deliberations.

The prime directive of a corporation is to make money period, not to promote the general welfare. De facto a corporation is autocratic by nature and not representative, money is the determinant, not interests.

Of course you still never answered my question, as to whether you believe that government controlled by corporations to be a good thing?

The question shouldn't be are these politicians "winners" the question should be are the American People winners? It's their job to represent us, not the other way around.

I do appreciate the compliment but I'm only an amateur, I don't get paid for this.

Thinking that corporations are going to get out of politics is just that- wishing for a pony.

Part of the politics of the possible is recognizing that corporate America is a fact of life- we are not going back to the days of the Psychedelic 60's or the Andy Griffith Show.

Most Americans dont want to go bak to the old days of failed economic liberalism from the 50's & 60's- Most Americans are now "Regan Democrats" who like getting products that are uniform and affordable ie corporate. Mainstream DEMS see this.

Most Americans know that their politicians get money and advice from solid corporate & chamber of commerce types. Most people are fine with it- they might even shrug their shoulders and say "thats the way it is-those are the people who take the risks an build our economy" I guess they failed to read DU or listen to Kusincih/Grayson/Nader speeeches, but these are the majority, mainstream voters that Obama & the DEM party have been courting.

You mean, the most prosperous era in American history?

Why would anyone want that?

is a fact of life, their role in dominating "We the Peoples'" Government is not a fact of life, insofar as it can't be corrected.

It's not a matter of whether we're "wishing for ponies" its' our determination that we're not giving up our birthright and subordinating our best interests to the corporate Borg.

The "politics of the possible" are what the people make them, that's always been the case since the founding of the nation.

You talk about solid "corporate & chamber of commerce types" much of that "solid" end of the community has led the way in promoting our demise, swimming upstream against common sense and logic, denying overwhelming scientific evidence of the looming catastrophe of global warming climate change.

Reagan's policies have been disastrous for the nation, whether it be the total disconnection of community from the environment, exploding debt via tax cuts for the wealthy, (anyone believing "trickle down" is money and prosperity for the masses is most seriously wishing for ponies), or the insanity of the citizen alienating and disenfranchising so called "War on Drugs."

"Most people" receive their information from the corporate media and as I posted above, the corporate media has an inherent conflict of interest, thus the people receive distorted information and I believe you know this is true, but the difference between you and I is, you don't care.

If the Mainstream is FASCIST you can shove it where doesn't shine and no I won't move to Cuba. ThIS is MY HOME and if it means that I fight you and your ilk to my death, that's what I will do.

and most people hate their jobs and hate their bosses.

So what's your point?

That we are supposed to hate our government?

Winners. We were 'winners' in Vietnam, for ten fucking years. Won EVERY battle. Then lost the war.

You can only win when you know what you are fighting for. There's more to 'winning' than getting the blue ribbon.

people just like to think of themselves as centrist. i guess because it's so damn cool to not stand for anything.

"logic" is exactly why the Democrats lost the 2010 elections. When voters have a choice between a Republican and a Democrat that acts like a Republican they choose the Republican or they sit out the election.

And now the "lesson teachers" propose to teach us even more lessons.

Give it your best shot- in the end, POPULAR centrism will defeat UNPOPULAR far leftism, as always.

it's per post...

I would ignore but you are far too entertaining. What nonsense you are spouting. What are you...12? Why not just rename us the Repub Lite party? I am sure that is what you are trying to stir up here with noxious posts.

progressive dems won out. that really blows a large hole in your flawed logic.

Your posts seem rather trollish and I doubt that you are a real Democrat. This is a site for Democrats, not centrists or "center-right".

Unpopular well funded RW extreemism will defeat socially acceptable centrism when it is too busy fighting its natural allies on the left over details to watch its back. As always.

We've been RIGHT about everything all along. If you knew anything about American history or had actually lived any of it you'd know that. You'd also know that the majority opinion in this country is far left of what it was in 1960 and will become more so. The overreaching hubris and pig like avarice of the fascist ruling class you admire so much has assured that.

So look-out troll. The times they are a changin' again. This time an aroused populace will do much more than shake the windows and rattle the walls of your masters and their political stooges. Fools like you have all but made that fate inevitable. :hippie:

Because he was SOOOOOO correct on the war, economy and HCR (Americans are center right on all 3, BTW)

Troll? Check my profile- I've been at DU since 2002.

Calling me a fool and a troll is a rule violation- maybe you are new to this site?

since about 2002. I apologize for the slights, but not for the facts.

How exactly does supporting senseless wars that have killed god only knows how many innocent people, ruinous economic policies that have returned the nation to the Great Depression and a health care system that allows thousands of people to die for lack of money something to brag about? How is the political defeat of an enemy of such folly something for which you seem pleased?

n/t

Too busy listening to the President who actually WON and got some things done for them.

I can't quite tell what moves you to make them--pragmatism or contempt.

....but that's just a thought.

The same corporate money that goes to the Republicans and the fucking DLC turncoats.

This is a sick, homeless nation. Center right is a label for the well-heeled and well-fed.

So you all keep telling us....:eyes:

Who are you trying to convince, the teeny, tiny MINORITY, or yourselves?

Seven of 10 Americans say it’s Wall Street’s turn to help bail out the government Treasury.

Banning big Wall Street Bonuses is favored by 70% of Americans.

A large majority also want to tax Wall Street profits to reduce the federal budget deficit.

The majority of Americans support gay marriage, health care reform and keeping abortion legal.



Sounds left leaning to me...




http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-12-13/banning-big-wall-street-bonus-favored-by-70-of-americans-in-national-poll.html

for the oil companies.

And yet, for some reason, our DEMOCRATIC president can't seem to make that happen.

Thanks for the thread, democracy1st.

as any Republican. What progressives need to do is root out and lay waste to the DLC and their poisonous policies before we do anything else. I strongly advocate no support of any kind to the DLC.

Love her!!!!

Jack Kingston, the idiot who rose to protest Kaptur's being allowed to speak twice -- and then admitting that he was out of the chambers taking a leak and missed a Republican being allowed to "speak twice" also. He's the guy who appeared on MSNBC declaring that Obama could not be a serious patriot because he wouldn't wear a flag pin. The host pointed out that Obama did, in fact, wear a flag pin from time to time -- and that Kingston was not wearing one himself during the interview! Now look at the slob in the video, at about 6.00 minutes. He's still not wearing a flag pin.

Hypocrisy so thick you'd think he'd choke on it.

He's a shallow, low-brow, pea-brained party mouth piece. He shouldn't even be allowed in the same room as Marcy Kaptur.

I guess now I know why.

from 1000 right wing think tank-coordinated radio stations, reaching 50 million of an often captive audience, enabling the talking heads across the country with a daily smorgasbord of well-pounded talking points

These are packageable salable soundbite phrases. Why do democrats not take any of it up and to the people? Cspan is nice and all, but Its not exactly the place to get a message out.

Representative Kaptur makes me proud to share her state.

She is the example I would set before the weak mouthed, lilly livered remainder of the Democrats we have mistakenly elected. I would especially set her before the President who has failed miserably in taking command of the airwaves and forcing the truth out to the American people.

Those Republicans, with help from corporate Democrats, did this to our nation. They caused it and they may have destroyed our nation. This was a betrayal of the American people and was just as sure an act of treason. They should at least be publicly castigated for their part. Instead we continue merrily along our way pretending that seniors, the sick and poor people are causing the deficit.

And those that will speak out to the contrary, like Marcy Kaptur, Anthony Weiner and Alan Grayson, are not valued. Rather they are cast under the bus where we no longer have to hear their inconvenient words of truth.

We should be so loud about the truth and cause of our nation's dilemma that the wealthy should go red-faced when they appear in public. God damn the greedy!

:kick: I keep forgetting we have Marcy Kaptur in the house she always kicks :kick: She needs to be on these Sunday shows and maybe in the Senate....