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jakeXT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-11 02:21 AM
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'Second colonization of Africa begun, Libya to see sectarian war'
 
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NATO’s operation in Libya is a perfectly planned political spectacle which marks the beginning of the second colonization of Africa, declared former Belgian Parliament deputy speaker Lode Vanoost.

“The US and the European Union have very good professional analysts," he said. "They are not going to say it out loud, but they know perfectly well that there is not going to be a smooth and peaceful transition. That’s what they are counting on. That will give them a perfect excuse to intervene militarily on the ground."

NATO will not pull out by the end of its mandate in September, he predicted.

“I don’t like big words, but what I see is the beginning of the second colonization of Africa,” Vanoost added.
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-11 02:29 AM
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1. Don't like big words? Then don't use them.
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Monk06 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-11 02:38 AM
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2. I'm missing your point. What big word did he use. And more to the point how is what he said wrong?
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-11 09:22 AM
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10. Its a quote from the article, his words.
“I don’t like big words, but what I see is the beginning of the second colonization of Africa,” Vanoost added.

I don't believe we/the 'West,' etc., is interested in colonization. Companies have their relationships, we have our burdens.
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Monk06 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-11 01:44 AM
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15. Sorry a bit of irony. Missed it the first time.
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Generic Other Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-11 12:37 PM
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16. UH? Burdens? Bad word choice but typical of an imperialist
Take up the White Man's burden--
And reap his old reward:
The blame of those ye better,
The hate of those ye guard--

--Kipling
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Democracyinkind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-11 03:21 AM
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3. "Colonization"? WTF? This must be one of the stupidest things I've ever heard.
Edited on Wed Aug-24-11 03:21 AM by Democracyinkind
Colonization? Do these people even know the meaning of the words they're throwing around?

As a historian I can guarantee that whatever may be happening in Africa right now, "colonization" is not the right word to describe it. For god's sake.

"Don't like big words" -.... Yeah right... But use them anyway, warranted or not? Sometimes the stuff people put up here - it astounds me.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-11 03:27 AM
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4. I think he meant Colonialization. And I think he's right.
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Democracyinkind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-11 04:34 AM
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5. And I think, historically, the term is very much inaccurate.
Edited on Wed Aug-24-11 04:35 AM by Democracyinkind
How many white people are en route to Africa right now, hell bent on finding a place to stay for good?

Ah, that's right. None.

Maybe it's just me, but "colonialism" and "colonialization" are historically specific terms. Sometimes on the internets it seems like people think those 2 words to mean anything along the lines of "Whites taking advantage of blacks" which I find moronic.

There's no denying the resource- and land-grab fomented by non-Africans that has intensified during the last decade, but it has nothing to do with colonialism, although, arguably, some of the mindset behind this is definitely related to Europeans pre-modern undertakings. But still, it's a totally different story, different intentions, different plans, different profiteers for the most part.

"Empire" , "non-linear distribution of market power" , "desperately trying to keep up the status quo through theft and crime" are words and terms that come to mind - not really Colonialism.

Then again, maybe I'm just hung up on the choice of words. "Colonialism" is a historical term to me, connoted with a certain, specific period and certain, specific economic and political practices. What "Europeans" (and today, the Rest of the World too) are doing in Africa today is not the same thing that happened 200 years ago. It may rhyme, though, to use the words of someone infinitely smarter than me.
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-11 09:27 AM
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11. Thanks. Will 'study' what you've said later.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-11 11:51 AM
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12. Well, as long as the same people who historically are
Edited on Wed Aug-24-11 11:52 AM by sabrina 1
associated with Colonialism in Africa, the people there will continue to fear it when they bomb any country and when that country has resources they know those former Colonialists want. There were many ways countries were occupied by Colonialists.

Eg, they themselves did not always actually reside in the lands they were raiding. They often installed 'friendly' citizens to do their work for them and made sure to 'train' their secret police and armies. Colonialists always had collaborators in the countries they targeted. And those collaborators were most often viewed as traitors to their own people, not that it mattered when you have a powerful Empire backing you up.

Libya, was the victim of British, US and Italian 'colonialism' in relatively recent history so there are still people around in that country, who remember, and have surely told their children what they remember. And now, the same suspects are back, claiming to be there for 'humanitarian' reasons.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-11 06:31 PM
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14. Are you serious?
"How many white people are going to Africa?"

That is not really what he is talking about.
He IS talking about the Global Oil Corporations, The Global Banks, and the IMF.

”Gaddafi is the perfect villain for this Anglo-French-American farce unworthy of French playwright Georges Feydeau. For all his dictatorial megalomania, Gaddafi is a committed pan-African - a fierce defender of African unity. Libya was not in debt to international bankers. It did not borrow cash from the International Monetary Fund for any "structural adjustment". It used oil money for social services - including the Great Man Made River project, and investment/aid to sub-Saharan countries. Its independent central bank was not manipulated by the Western financial system. All in all a very bad example for the developing world.”

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/MD27Ak01.html


The PRICE for all those Freedom Bombs?
Like Iraq, Libya will be turned into a "Free Market" NeoLiberal HELL,
and a major piece of the Pan Africa Movement (Africa for Africans) has been removed.
You are witnessing Free Market NeoLiberalism at its most brutal.

Read Disaster capitalism by Naomi Klein.
If you don't have a disaster, the US Military will be more than happy to create one.


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pinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-11 05:20 AM
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6. RT has a penchant for conspiracy theorists and such. I'd take them and Vanoost with a grain of salt.
:hi:
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civilisation Donating Member (456 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-11 07:10 AM
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7. He is obviously talking of "neocolonialism",. .
"The uprising was militarised by NATO and NATO is not going to give away that position..," - Lode Vanoost

This is quite clear if you listen to anything he said,. (unless you just read the heading?)

as in "existing or past international economic arrangements created by former colonial powers were or are used to maintain control of their former colonies and dependencies" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neocolonialism

Do a little more than fixating on a single word, please.

Clearly NATO has little interest in helping the local people, anywhere,. it is always self interest, i.e. corporate profits, that tops the list of motives. Oil and gas, surprise!

"People or organizations that take power by violence, are not really tempted to give away that power by democratic means." -Lode Vanoost
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Township75 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-11 07:57 AM
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8. Is RT where the conspiracy theorists go when they are lonely?
This channel is the most inbred backwards station I have ever had the misfortune to come across. I guess it is standard for Russian news though.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-11 08:24 AM
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9. stashed money, oil, other earth resources - perhaps not re-colonization or ;
recolonialization - it will be 'involvement' in everything to do with the riches of the country and the security of multi-national goals in the world - under the guise of helping the people and bringing democracy. A team will land that will include Libyans - there are always people who will work with European and US (Bilderberg) powers to run the country and control the tribal divides.
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jakeXT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-11 12:27 PM
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13. More than 200 African intellectuals say Nato’s bombing of Libya is part of a re-colonisation of the
Edited on Wed Aug-24-11 12:27 PM by jakeXT
Libyan bombing illegal says concerned group
More than 200 African intellectuals say Nato’s bombing of Libya is part of a re-colonisation of the continent

A group of concerned African leaders have issued a statement warning about Africa being re-colonised as Nato continues its support of the Libyan rebels.

Speaking to media in Johannesburg today, leaders released a letter lamenting "misuse of the United Nations Security Council to engage in militarised diplomacy to effect regime change in Libya" and the "marginalisation of the African Union".

University of Johannesburg head of the politics department Professor Chris Landsberg spoke for the group saying Nato has violated international law.

"Nato has empowered itself openly to pursue the objective of regime change and therefore the use of force and all other means to overthrow the government of Libya, which objectives are completely at variance with the decisions of the UN Security Council," Landsberg said.

http://www.businessday.co.za/articles/Content.aspx?id=151539
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