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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 11:56 AM
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Locked Out: Kucinich excluded from NH Debate
 
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Its amazing he was locked out
He must be terrifying

ABC was pounding in the questions about Nuclear bombs

there was an agenda
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MalloyLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:01 PM
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1. Awww, poor guy, can't crack 1% boohoo
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maxanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:13 PM
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3. do you have a function
here other than dissing DK? Just curious.

It is interesting to note that the GOP withdrew their sponsorship of the debate, because not all of their candidates were included. That shows some
real solidarity - and spine. Here we have Democrats whose sole purpose seems to be to insult, demean, and dismiss other Democrats.

It really says something when the GOP is better than we are.
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Blackdog4241 Donating Member (94 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:24 PM
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4. What's the matter ?...
Jealous that Kucinich isn't bought and paid for like your candidate?
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MalloyLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:26 PM
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6. He supports a man who funds the war
Edited on Sun Jan-06-08 12:26 PM by MalloyLiberal
And voted for the Peru trade deal.

He's a hypocrite. No one takes him seriously. His little 'impeachment' thing was just to move up his numbers, and it didn't work, because people are smarter than that. Even his nutcase buddy Ron Paul didn't support him.
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Blackdog4241 Donating Member (94 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:48 PM
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8. He's not a hypocrite......
He just doesn't trust Edwards and either do I.
Maybe You don't take him seriously but millions do.
(His little "impeachment" thing)is very serious and he has had forums on this all over the country and as far as it not working.You can blame the rest of your so called Democrats for that.
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maxanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 02:10 PM
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13. interesting
People are smarter than impeachment?

An awful lot of folks seem to be in favor of impeaching this administration. Why aren't you?
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Highway61 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:57 PM
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10. THAT
is uncalled for...he's the best of the lot of them. Are you sure you are on the right website?
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subsuelo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 07:30 AM
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24. thanks for repeating the standard Fox News response
we've heard it before, but thanks.
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DutchLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 05:10 PM
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31. Great photo!
Chávez and Chomsky! B-)
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:11 PM
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2. I'm glad he is protesting this ABC is wrong
a debate is a debate

if people can't see the agenda that ABC was doing thats understandable they are in the dark

I think the candidates realized their mistakes not protesting this more
It only meant more time for ABC to hack at them with stupid idiot questions

at least Dennis would have taken time away from their being given idiot questions

it was a mistake and reflects badly on ABC news
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:26 PM
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5. K&R thanks n/t
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mac2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:29 PM
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7. Dennis is right
it's the same old same old with most the media and candidates. Americans asked for and want change from the Police\war agenda. They demanded it in 2006 and yet they continue on the same path to destruction and tryanny.
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stimbox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:52 PM
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9. Dennis is right on.
Motherfuck ABC, Disney, and the quislings in the Democratic party who went along with excluding him.
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DutchLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 01:07 PM
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11. "This isn't a debate, this is an agreement between four people who all have the same positions."
Full video from 'Kucinich2008':

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JB3JgbsddrQ
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stimbox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 01:56 PM
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12. Thanks for the link.
:bounce:
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cyclezealot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 02:34 PM
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14. talk about change
they might start by offering some substance instead of bull Shit. Issues were irrelevant. Kucinich would have made the so called debate worth listening to.
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MindMatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 04:04 PM
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15. You cannot have a meaningful debate with 7 people
In that format, there is only time for each of them to spout a 15-second sound bite on each issue. Last night's debate wasn't a classic for the ages, but there were some moments where it got into a little more depth than has been possible until now.

I agree with most of what Kucinich is saying, and in the long run, I hope that America will gain its senses. But his participation in this campaign has run its course. There will be other opportunities for him to advocate and agitate.
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cyclezealot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 06:35 PM
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18. He's gonna be agitating in Michigan
Edited on Sun Jan-06-08 06:38 PM by cyclezealot
next week. our money and time will be with him. if the right issues are not being agitated, then many of us won't be there. Edwards just does not want us to have his past record examined.
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frog92969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 06:57 PM
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19. "run its course"?-Please!
It hasn't even started.
Let's let voters decide that.
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DutchLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 08:41 PM
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20. Dutch tv debates have proven you can have a meaningful debate with 7 persons.
But it depends on who's participating, the questions that are asked and whether all candidates get equal time to speak. That's where American tv debates go wrong, in my opinion.
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cyclezealot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 09:06 PM
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21. having seen the french elections last May
All candidates debate. Two nights were dedicated to all parties. Even parties who garnered as little as 2% of the vote. The two parties got to debate week before the first round. The other 5 parties had their debate among themselves 8 days before the first round. Plus , the final week before the first round all parties had 30 minutes to alone present their case .
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Apollo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 04:07 PM
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27. They have very strict rules about equal time for all candidates
It's why the 3 different flavors of communists (PCF, LCR, LO) each got the same amount of airtime as the mainstream socialist candidate, Segolene Royal. They spent most of that time explaining to voters why it was not important for Royal to win the first round.
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cyclezealot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 07:48 PM
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30. I wonder if governments can change the fairness
Edited on Mon Jan-07-08 07:49 PM by cyclezealot
I see in the French electoral system. Even Sarkozy talks of making it even more democratic. He talks about instituting some system of proportional representation in the Assembly. Even in the General news outside of the election season ; it is so apparent the Shadow Government representatives get almost equal time to argue against the government. I think the main networks comes out of some kind of TV tax we pay, that keeps it run as an independent agency and not under corporate control. We have private stations, but also a mix of public stations funded by our taxes. A tv tax is a part of our property tax we pay each Fall. The quality of our news and entertainment, its worth every centime.
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Apollo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 04:04 PM
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26. At the last Dutch elections, public TV split the debate in half
In the first part they had the leaders of the smaller parties:
Christenunie, Groenlinks, PVV, D66 ...

In the second part they only included the leaders of the 4 biggest parties:
CDA, SP, PvdA, VVD

I should know, I watched it.
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DutchLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 04:56 PM
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28. That's not entirely correct.
In the first part they had the following little parties:
ChristenUnie, SGP, PVV, D66, PvdD.

The second part:
CDA, VVD, PvdA, SP, GroenLinks.

But that was only the last debate. There have been many debates where 6 or 7 parties were represented. And even the debate which was split in half, which you mention, was more fair than American debates, because at least all parties were represented and all got equal time.
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 06:02 PM
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29. Thats what Americans deserve equal time if not then there
is a fascist agenda of keeping Debate closed

this is WRONG to eliminate Kucinich and Ron Paul from debates

its silencing the Anti War movement and its oppression
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frog92969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 04:21 PM
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16. The new "American Democracy" for all to see! (or not)
Another blatant showing of the state of democracy in America today.
But what really scares me is to see otherwise sensible people falling prey to the M$M brainwashing and even parroting their attacks. (and support for these corporate friendly clowns)

Remember his last attack by abc -
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2DGfXA8DlE>

He DOMINATED their 2 polls and got crapped out of the picture!

IMO Dennis is the ONLY choice.
Look at the records people, this election could be fatal, it's not the Oscars.

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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 04:44 PM
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17. to make a decision based on Iowa gives Iowa
way to much power does this mean from now on Kucinich is out of every media debate

Democrats should treat their own better
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MindMatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 09:25 PM
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22. That isn't the whole story.
I agree it is foolish to base very much on Iowa. However when you look at the national polls, Kucinich is only beating me by about 1% -- and I'm not running. So maybe I should demand a seat at the debates.
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 09:58 PM
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23. It is so sad
to know, by your own words, that you do not support democracy.
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 02:30 PM
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25. Now that Ron Paul has been knocked out of Fox's debate
it really does appear that an agenda of keeping AntiWar candidates silent
and News Media is picking and choosing candidates

But when oppression happens it only makes for the rebels to fight harder

Oppression of a populace fails all the time

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