Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

What was your intent?

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Political Videos Donate to DU
 
slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 05:19 PM
Original message
What was your intent?
 
Run time: 04:46
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iMNM1tef7g
 
Posted on YouTube: January 12, 2008
By YouTube Member:
Views on YouTube: 0
 
Posted on DU: January 13, 2008
By DU Member: slipslidingaway
Views on DU: 487
 
Glen Greenwald posted the video with this article...

The Noxious Fruits of Hate Speech laws

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/01/13/hate_speech_laws/index.html

"I've written several times before about the oppressive, dangerous hate speech laws which are common -- increasingly so -- in both Canada and Europe, whereby the Government is empowered to punish as criminals citizens who express offensive or otherwise prohibited political views. But here is a visceral illustration of what these sorts of laws engender that ought to give great pause even to proponents of such laws.

Ezra Levant is a right-wing Canadian neoconservative who publishes Western Standard, a typical warmongering, pro-Likud journal -- a poor man's Weekly Standard for Canadian neocons. In February, 2006, he published the Danish Mohammed cartoons, which prompted an Islamic group's imam to file a complaint (.pdf) against Levant with the Alberta Human Rights and Citizenship Commission, charging Levant with "advocating hatemongering cartoons in the media," and the imam specifically accused Levant of "defaming me and my family because we follow and are related to Prophet Mohammed."

......Just like Bush followers who bizarrely think that the limitless presidential powers they're cheering on will only be wielded by political leaders they like, many hate speech law proponents convince themselves that such laws will only be used to punish speech they dislike. That is never how tyrannical government power works."

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
hermetic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 05:48 PM
Response to Original message
1. Levant did not draw those cartoons
He only printed what had already been done, and discussed at great length.

AND, * just said TODAY, "You cannot expect people to believe in the promise of a better future when they are jailed for peacefully petitioning their government," Bush said. "And you cannot stand up a modern, confident nation when you do not allow people to voice their legitimate criticisms."

So there you go then.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 01:53 PM
Response to Reply #1
3. Yes, interesting interview IMO n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 06:27 PM
Response to Original message
2. Can't help but wonder
if a Candian publisher had copied some of the anti-Israel cartoons and tirades from the Middle East- would this author also say that his rights were to be protected?

I don't think either the Danish cartoons nor the anti-Israel cartoons should be allowed to be re-published. Kindly remember that after WWII, it was illegal in Germany to publish Nazi propaganda. Don't recall anyone getting their knickers in a twist about that happening. To my mind, both sets of cartoons are on the same level of hate and intolerance.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 02:02 PM
Response to Reply #2
4. I agree with you on the hate and intolerence, but the larger
question is who should censor? The people by speaking out and refusing to buy the publication or the government?

I agree with Greenwald, especially in today's climate.

"...Empowering the State to proscribe and punish speech is not only the most dangerous step a society can take -- though it is that -- it's also the most senseless. It never achieves its intended effect of suppressing or eliminating a particular view. If anything, it has the opposite effect, by driving it underground, thus preventing debate and exposure. Worse, it converts its advocates into martyrs --as one sees from the hero-worship now surrounding people like Levant and Steyn, who now become self-glorifying symbols of individual liberty rather than what they are: hateful purveyors of a bitter, destructive, authoritarian ideology..."
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Sat May 04th 2024, 08:56 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Political Videos Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC