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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-02-07 11:54 PM
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Another Effort to End the Internet as We Know It
Below is a draft of a new post for my blog. I think the info would be of interest here, but would also welcome any comments. Thanks!

Efforts to End the Internet as We Know It Won't End Any Time Soon

While in a waiting room, I happened to pick up the May 7, 2007 issue of Forbes, which featured short articles by "28 Great Minds" on "The Power of Networks." The first article I read was by David Gelernter, describing what he thinks will replace the Web. Gelernter is a fellow at the American Enterprise Institute, and he is working with Ajay Royan, who is employed at a West Coast hedge fund, on what they call the "Worldbeam."

The basic idea is, instead of everyone having their own documents stored on their own computers, everyone will access their documents on the Beam through a much simpler box. Not only your current docs, but every doc you every wrote or viewed -- every e-mail, v-mail, snapshot, every web page visited, etc. -- will be stored on machines maintained elsewhere. You'll be able to access your documents from any box anywhere.

As Gelernter says, "The desktop is dead; all my information must be stored on the Beam . . . ."

Theoretically, only you will have access to your documents, using some combination of biometric identification, a key card, a password or the like, and only you will have the ability to add to or delete your docs.

I repeat: theoretically. As insecure as our individual computers may be now, it's hard to see why our information wouldn't be even less secure if the primary storage is in machines owned and controlled by someone else.

There is no discussion of who would own or control the machines on which all this information is stored. One suspects the system protocols would be proprietary or secret.

How do you segregate your supposedly private docs from those you want to be available to others? "Whenever you create a new document, it's born with the same permissions as previous documents of the same type." (No provided explanation re- how the Beam will determine what docs are of the same type.) Gelernter continues, "Your personal beam contains load of information about your habits and preferences.)"

Obviously, the Beam would involve total centralization of control over all content that might otherwise be available on the Web, (plus all docs to which inappropriate permissions are assigned by the system, unless you happen to catch the error).

You'll no longer own copies or rights to most software. Instead, you'll subscribe to basic service and have the opportunity to lease fancier applications.

The corporations who expect to sell us these subscriptions and lease applications must regard the Beam with exceeding joy.

Gelernter says, "the Worldbeam should strengthen the world's responsible governments against terrorists and criminals and the individual against busybodies . . . . The Internet tells government agencies: You each have a separate information stash and your own network; sharing information requires extra effort. The Beam tells them: At base you all share one information stash: withholding information requires extra effort. . . . no one can plead "technical" reasons for not sharing" (I presume he means, "technological" reasons).

Of course, nothing prevents government agencies from building a unified information system now, other than the cost; and the cost for such a system must surely be vastly smaller than the cost of transforming the entire Internet.

More importantly . . . "responsible governments"? I presume he means the likes of the social democracy of Norway, as opposed to the U.S. government under the Bush regime? In the hands of the latter, not to mention even more tyrannical governments, the Beam would make it even easier to spy on innocent citizens for political purposes, etc.

My boyfriend says, don't worry, the Beam won't happen. I hope he's right; but. The Web has for some years now been almost the sole irritant to the powers that now own and control much of our election process and traditional media. It seems to me the Beam offers a great deal to those powers.

A number of other interesting articles appeared in the same issue of Forbes – let me use their authors' own words:

"One of the great lessons of the 20th century is that centralized planning and control don't work. . . . Decentralization is fast and flexible. It allows exponential, viral growth." -- Rick Warren, founder of Saddleback Community Church.

"The biggest mistake marketers make when they see the power of the consumer network is that they try to control it, own it or manipulate it." -- Seth Godin, marketing expert.

"A command-and-control model, he way one runs an army, is not well suited for new ideas." -- Jonathan Fahey, writing about Nicholas Negroponte's wiki-style project to develop a laptop that could be made for $100 each and provided to children around the world.

"America can still win the battle for a democratic world. The most important weapon is a free, open, commercially and politically unfettered Internet that empowers ordinary people from across the globe to speak and act in the interests of their own communities." -- Howard Dean, DNC Chair.

"The Internet functions best when its protocols are available to everyone . . . . there is wisdom in crowds, even – perhaps I should say especially – in crowds of volunteers and amateurs. . . . The great lesson of the Web 2.0 is that to control quality, you don't lock things down; you open them up." -- Jimmy Wales, founder of Wikipedia.

Another article touched on other important issues. Sherry Turkle, a professor at MIT, mentioned ideas expressed by many that "'we're all being observed all the time anyway, so who needs privacy?' . . . When the question of political abuse came up, a common reaction . . . was . . . 'All information is good information' and 'Information wants to be free' and 'if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear.'" Turkle is clearly concerned that these ideas lead us to acquiesce in government spying on innocent citizens.

What I think needs to be spelled out in plain terms is that knowledge is power, and that a balance of power requires a balance of knowledge. In a democracy, the weight of power should belong to the people; or at worst, the balance should at least be equal. That means that our government's activities should be open and transparent to us – we should know at least as much about our government as it knows about us.

That's not where we've been going lately.
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salvorhardin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-03-07 12:05 AM
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1. What's your blog?
Can you share a link?

Also... Have you considered submitting to Carnival of the Liberals?
http://www.carnivaloftheliberals.com
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-03-07 12:47 AM
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6. The blog is at
http://c-cyte.blogspot.com/ -- thanks for asking.
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-03-07 01:57 PM
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13. Just posted and
submitted the post to carnival of liberals -- thanks for the suggestion, I'm flattered, and I love the concept and approach involved in the carnivals.
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salvorhardin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-03-07 02:33 PM
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14. Thanks!
I saw that and forwarded it onto this bi-week's host.
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-03-07 12:06 AM
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2. We are the borg
Edited on Sun Jun-03-07 12:08 AM by me b zola
"The desktop is dead; all my information must be stored on the Beam . . . ."

You will be assimulated. Resistance is futile.
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-03-07 12:13 AM
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3. got stamps
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-03-07 12:21 AM
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5. Will you get your news via snail mail? n/t
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Solo_in_MD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-03-07 12:17 AM
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4. This is not a new discussion...
Central data repositories vs edge computing is long term discussion, with merits to both approaches, depending on the tasks being done.
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-03-07 12:50 AM
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7. It was news to me that the American Enterprise Inst. is working on it . . .
and the article seemed to bend over backwards to tout the advantages of the Beam while downplaying the disadvantages; but the advantages seem to greatly favor corps. and govs. . . . if you know of other angles, pls let us hear 'em.
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Solo_in_MD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-03-07 09:32 AM
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9. The Beam is one of many concepts of centralized data management
being discussed in academic and gov papers. For large scale operations it makes sense and is the logical follow on to webapps. Its cheaper and more efficient. Its also not new. The Xerox Star systems, the progenitor of the Apple, integrated apps, and network computing stored everything including desktop information on servers that could be accessed anywhere.

The big software houses are torn. Their revenue stream is from individual licenses for apps, though places like SAP and such are focusing and a mixed solution for enterprises. Also its not clear who would provide central services for homes and small operations.

FSF is also in the mix here. There are free web apps/Web 2.0 tools already out there and many are free. Add the Open Doc standards, and MS has no real real reason to go to Web Apps and they are the market maker.
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-03-07 12:34 PM
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12. Pls help me understand.
Edited on Sun Jun-03-07 12:35 PM by snot
Seriously -- I want to understand the pros and cons, but I had to "clusty" SAP, FSF and Open Doc standards.

Why would software providers stand to make less money from subscriptions and licenses for applications housed centrally than they do from licenses for software copies stored on desktops?

It seems to me that controlling apps centrally would enable providers to simply eliminate old apps whenever they liked, forcing customers to "upgrade" to versions they might or might not want. I would no longer have the power to just buy an app once and use it forever if it was continuing to do the job for me.

It also seems to me that controlling apps centrally would help software providers reduce pirating. So it appears all the advantages would be for the providers, all the disadvantages for the consumers. Are software providers genuinely "split" about it, or are some just not as megalomaniacal as others?

Yes, it's not clear who would provide the centralized machines and services. It's worth a lot to me personally NOT to have to cede that much control to any entity (governmental or corporate) large enough to do the job.

I'm not sure I see how FSF has any bearing. Are you saying that whoever controls the centralized system could also be compelled to share information about its operating system with free software developers and to house and offer free software to customers on a timely basis? Wouldn't that be contrary to their interests, and how would that be enforced?

Re- Open Document Standards, a quick "clusty" search reveals that Microsoft is still strongly resisting them in many areas; and I suspect that to the extent MS has accepted them, it's only because it was more or less forced to do so. See, e.g., http://www.sutor.com/newsite/blog-open/?p=1533 , http://redmondmag.com/reports/article.asp?editorialsid=216 , http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/software/soa/Microsoft-Office-to-get-a-dose-of-OpenDocument/0,130061733,139255766,00.htm .

Thanks in advance for any help you can provide.
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lvx35 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-03-07 01:13 AM
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8. Yeah, the efforts are strongly underway.
Fear centralization. Fear all searches going through one sight (Google) All movies being posted on one site that pays for bandwidth mysteriously (you tube/google) fear all applications being done on a web interface through one site. Seek decentralization and redundancy and open source.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-03-07 09:37 AM
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10. No! Don't fear! FIGHT!
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lvx35 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 12:34 AM
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15. Well said! I stand corrected!
:)
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mainegreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-03-07 09:43 AM
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11. Many groups, like say Sun, have been claiming the desktop is dead for ages. Hasn't happened though.
Edited on Sun Jun-03-07 09:43 AM by mainegreen
Not likely to either.
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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 11:51 AM
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16. Remember the Sun 3/50?
In the old, old, OLD days Sun wanted you to buy a cluster of Sun (Sun stood for "Stanford University Network"--I'll take Useless Computer Crap for $400, Alex) 3/50 diskless workstations and run them completely off the Sun 3/160 parked in the middle of the network.

How would YOU like to be the poor bastard who had to boot a Unix box over 10base2 ethernet?
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Parche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 12:55 PM
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17. Internet
That is Snot a good thing...................:rofl: :hi:
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