Why I think the plot at JFK was authentic

I know there have been a lot of comments here questioning whether or not these reports are bogus and a Rovian machination.

I don't think so, and here's why.

1. Mark Mershon, who is the FBI NY director, grew up with me. We went to the same high school, traveled in the same group, was on the same sports team (swimming) as my husband. We even double-dated to the Senior Prom. He was supposed to be in my wedding but broke up with his girlfriend, who WAS in it, so that was not possible. This is a good guy. Total integrity. No interest in power, money, material things. There is no way this man would play a part in some sort of Rovian plot.

2. M. Mauskopf, the US Attorney, (even though her name means MouseHead in German!) is a long-time activist for Holocaust education, having had immediate family in the camps. I have seen her speak and she struck me as a woman of integrity, also.

I know it is easy to be jaded, and we'd all like to think the War on Terror doesn't exist, but it is a crazy world.

I don't want to open a flame war. I have no inside information, but I wanted to add what little bit I do know, or if not "know" at least the impression I have.

You say you know Mark Mershon and that he's a good guy. I don't argue that, but for us to believe the terrah alert was real just becoz of that. C'mon - please don't take offense but people who know serial killers say the same.

this is why I, personally, think they are real. And all I can do is add my impression to the mix. Then we each form our own opinions.

Now, I have also known two serial killers and wasn't a bit surprised! (LOL I don't really run around in odd social groups, but I have 40 years in ESE classes. One of them was an ex-student, the other was an ex-classmate from the very same high school where I knew Mark M!)

Have a super Sunday.

Did you think that was authentic when our media reported that story?

Don

I said I have positive feelings about the folks in this particular situation. I didn't know anything about the issue you mention.

Personally, I think ALL Winnebagos are instruments of death! Well, not really. But wow, I saw one hit on the Interstate once. Looked like a tornado had come by. Insulation all over the road.

LA Times used to be credible at one time too.

Don

http://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=79784&page=1

Inspectors' Worst Fear: Winnebagos of Death

The Deadly Ways Iraq Can Hide Weapons of Mass Destruction

As U.N. weapons inspectors begin their work in Iraq today, there are fears Saddam Hussein may still have the means to kill thousands of people hidden among the fleets of motor vehicles across his country.

Civilian experts and government officials say Iraq has put many of its weapons laboratories on wheels, making them not only nearly impossible to detect and destroy, but also posing a grave threat in the event of war. snip

"It does not take a lot of space for some of this work to go on. It can be done in a very, very small location. And the fact that you can put it on wheels makes it a lot easier to hide from people that might be looking for it."

Even more worrisome, experts say, is the fact that these mobile weapons labs, which a report in the Los Angeles Times dubbed "Winnebagos of Death," could be ready at a moment's notice.

I think I'm pretty pragmatic about the nefarious workings of humans.

It seems very believable to me.

I am hiding underneat my desk I am so scared........:sarcasm:

I actually believe that the "plot" was real, but not developed at all. It seems to me that it was a rag-tag team that may not have gotten far at all with it. Of course, I'm behind my reading about said plot, and I'm only reacting to the news from the first day of the coverage, as I've had a busy weekend and haven't watched or read much about it.

I do think that the press is exploding it up to have been a more imminent threat than it actually was. But that's the press and NOT the FBI's fault.

a huge deal out of it. If it IS true, I'm glad they got it early. I have family in Linden and they are taking it very seriously. They live in the shadow of huge storage vats.

THE SKY IS FALLING, TERRA TERRA TERRA is about all I heard coming out of her mouth.

but very proud to have nipped it in the bud. Interesting the different takes we all have on it.

There is a big difference between headlines like these:

Four low IQ criminals caught in stupid pipeline conspiracy.
Four terrorists mastermind Muslim plot to destroy JFK airport.

I actually heard the term "Muslim plot" on NPR this morning. In all fairness,
they said "officials" were calling it that. Now compare these Headlines:

Christian plot to destroy Government facility a success.
McVey was the mastermind of the Federal building bombing.

How often have you seem McVey and Nichols identified by their religious affiliation?
The huge distinction between political and religious actions has been blurred again.

its the overblown hype and sensationalism that's the problem.

This isn't the first time the media has hyped a "terror attempt" by incompetents, and it won't be the last.

:sarcasm:

I just added my information to the mix. For all you know, I am a crazy 14 year old in my parents' basement. But then, maybe you are, too! Isn't the internet a wonderful thing?

This was not worthy of the media blitz it got.

They lie too much and operate in secret. It's too bad I can't take anything they say at face value but that's not my fault.

Your comments about the integrity of the people involved could be echoed at all levels.

Some of the Rovian plot comments I see here remind me of the *spies* fascination of the Arab street. They never hold up to Occams Razor and are mostly a mixture of hyperbole and tinfoil

Sounds more like the Boy Crying Wolf again.

Try again.

considered a crime? I'm not an expert..but I thought so.

After all this time it amazes me the amount of people that believe these bullshit stories.

an alleged conspiracy. My question was simply on the definition of conspiracy, whether or not a "thought" crime could be considered a crime. I honestly don't know.

However, in my OP I state my position that I, personally, have decided to believe this particular story because of my personal knowledge of some of the principals involved. If you choose to think it is bullshit, that's fine, too.

But one thing does keep coming to mind... there's a lot of people dead in the world due to this type of activity, including the folks on 9/11 (which I know is a very bad thing to bring up), but where there's dead folks, there just might be conspiracy. It happens.

Whether it happened here, we'll just have to wait and see how it plays out.

The dirty bombers and plans to blow up city blocks and attacks on amusement parks all seem to dissipate after the cameras have gone away and the lies have been wittled away in the courts.

And there never was any dirty bomb plot, despite Herr Ashcroft's bald-faced lies looking right into the cameras, and the right wing Neocon media outlets churning 24 hours per day.

and I have very little trust for the MSM. In my opinion, they represent a third political party and are responsible for most of our woes.

now arguing about the elements of a crime, and sounding more insistent.

Very, very interesting indeed.

lies about weapons of mass destruction that never existed, a concentration camp in Cuba, the undoing of civil liberties laws, the mass murder of hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians and people, and over 3000 troops, shocking and awing of an entire people by bombing the shit out of them . . . I could go on . . .

But your pulling out that card here tells me all I need to know.

BTW Thats how the justice system is supposed to work in America.

You charge people for crimes they commit, not crimes you think they might commit.

A swing and a miss.

and I have too much information that people in their position so often are NOT-- to give them the benefit of the doubt.

I'm sure they are fine people, as you remember them.

But even the finest folks, say for example Scooter Libby, who by all acoounts is a sterling gentleman, feel perfectly justified in committing "non-crimes" for the right political motivation.
They don't even think they did anything wrong. After all, they are fine people who wouldn't do anything wrong.

And yet they do and did.

Just like Fort Dix, and just like the guy who wanted to bomb the Herald Square subway station- these guys have all been seriously lacking in mental capacity, but share no shortage of hatred for the United States- and with what's been going on since 9/11, one can understand why they would be so filled with hatred.
The FBI NY director may be a swell guy and all, but the techincal feasibility of getting these miles of fuel lines to detonate simultaneously from one fuse point, and setting of this endless chain reaction and kill hundreds was nil- zero- it could never happen. But hats off to the FBI for perfecting the art of entrapment. They are cleaning up on the bottom feeders. It's the smart ones we have to watch out for.

Just because you knew one of them years ago, and you've seen the other one "speak" does not prove they aren't complicit in this new plot to keep up the fearmongering among the sheeple.

Remember this phrase?
"Fool me once, shame on you - fool me twice, shame on me"

How anyone can be fooled by these bozos is really beyond me.

is in cahoots with Bush, Rove, etal. I think there are a lot of attacks being broken up that we don't even hear.

Please tell me you are kidding.

I'm not surprised at all that we have started to breed al-Qaeda wannabes in this hemisphere. Frankly, I'm only surprised that it took four years.

credentials. Bloviating about the "unimaginable consequences of their success" (or whatever superlatives she employed) betrayed her complete ignorance of basic chemistry. Someone should remind her of the old and very true adage (paraphrased): When you have no fucking idea what you're talking about, it's better to keep quiet.

to be a nice guy.

You're going solely on personalities here. Sometimes one doesn't know the people closest to one.

The evidence is always best. Not just blind faith in individual people.

but when dealing w/bush, forget about the grain stuff, I need about 3# of salt.

Problem is, bush and his cohorts have pulled so many stupid things based on lies, if he said the sky was blue, I'd pop outside to make sure...and it most likely would be a purple, green, orange, yellow, fuschia, black....anyting but blue.

He is the quintessential "Boy who cried wolf", and no one believes anything that comes from this administration anymore...:(