Did it surprise anyone when Hillary took the lead tonight?

She challenged Wolf on the hypotheticals. She's actually being praised for that on the CNN post debate analysis. They're saying that all the others were looking to her for leadership during the debate.

the only thing she led was the parade out to the stage.

What do you think they are going to say about THEIR chosen one?

But she did take the lead, IMHO. I am surprised that CNN is complimenting her for dissing Wolf. She is still not my pick. However, I think she did earn some points tonight.

They want her to be the nominee.

but she kicked ass tonight.

They might not have looked up to her but they were deferential to her.

I think she took it tonite ~ it only surprised me when she took over the debate as far as hypotheticals went. That was great!

NGU.

The replay will clear up the confusion.

That's a stretch, imo.

What I saw was a spirited bunch of people each with their own ideas of what to do about issues. Ideas that sometimes were similar.

She was the only one who took Wolf on ~ I think that even surprised the boys on the stage with her!

(I never watch these things...gastric distress.)

I'd say Obama took Wolf down early in the debate with his divisive question comments.

Could be wrong.

I thought it was a toss up between Clinton and Obama tonight.

as a Hillary supporter, I wondered how it would come across - but based on what I've been reading on DU and hearing on TV, it was a good thing to do. But I do disagree that the others were looking to her for leadership - she just asserted herself, not because the others needed her to.

and was like, Wolf, these aren't good questions. She stuck her neck out a little more, and it was noticable. I only vaguely remember Obama's comment.

Explaining the problems with naming English the "official" language.

and I thought she explained it really well. It's an issue that I don't know much about, but she clearly knew her stuff.

I hope all of them do more of that.

But as a tactical move away from the issue.

but I was happy that she stood up to Wolf. I am glad that she is not being cowed by the "shrill woman" stereotype.

Also had a couple of great lines, esp. re Cheney!

from reading her book, I know that Hillary has a good sense of humor, and I was glad to see her show it. She's sharp as a tack.

I was disappointed that Kucinich did not get to talk more. Everytime he did, however I agreed with him.

but she is not my chosen candidate - yet.

I want Clark to join the race, and I really want to see Obama do well.

But I was impressed by Clinton tonight. I think she's doing what I always believed she can do - alleviate the concerns people have about her and come across as strong, smart, capable and wise. I think she did that very well tonight.

The reason I've always liked her is because she has a long history of just blowing past people's expectations of her - and I think she's continuing to do that.

3 out of 4 definitely, but too much of a DINO to be 'wise' IMO. Triangulating is not wise, it is 'clever'. Color me ABH in the primaries, except for Gravel who has no shot.

I think it's wise to understand what it takes to win.

I also think she showed great wisdom in general in her answers about diplomacy.

The whole argument over whether she's smart or calculating depends entirely on whether or not one is willing to view her objectively. If you hate her, she's calculating. If you like her, she's wise. That's normal, though.

that winning isn't everything. If it is necessary for a Democrat to become a Republican in order to win, then that is a very hollow victory.

Especially if it loses Congress for us, like, er, the last Clinton Presidency did. Myself, I would like to have a candidate who can come to my district and help my local Democrats win re-election. If Hillary is the candidate though, then I think it would hurt to link yourself to her, at least in my district and state.

Liking her is not being objective. Nor does hatred does not prove a lack of objectivity. Take Bush (please). I hate him because I looked at him and found him to be an arrogant liar. The lies and the arrogance came before the hate, not the other way around.

It is typical of America though, for people to conflate 'clever' with 'wise'. The farking dictionary even makes them synonyms :wtf:

who think like that.

The people who win are busy running things.

None of them really sucked...unlike members of the Evil Empire who debate sometime soon.

the Bush administration on the IWR, too. Someone needed to. And some did.

Sorry, maybe I'm being petty. It's a big deal to me.

I have now added Hillary to that list. I thought she did very well tonight and she did impress me a lot.

don't ask, don't tell

resolve the problems I have with her. She still refused to admit her vote for the IWR was a mistake, etc. I have ALWAYS been aware and uneasy that she is the corporate media's choice. Still, I was impressed by her brains and her guts tonight. I always knew she had them. She has not always used them in the past and that is why I am not a supporter.

Regardless of who gets the dem nomination, I hope they all become part of the team...

What a fanastic bunch of people..... :applause:

We are the champions, my friend.:)

I was especially struck by her maneuver after Obama took that shot at Edwards about being "four-and-a-half years too late in showing leadership": she delivered a stirring little generality about how the differences between Democrats are as nothing compared to the diferences between Democrats and Republicans. It made her look calm and above personal acrimony.

I am not a Hillary supporter, as I have stated elsewhere on this thread. Anyone who doubts this can do a search. You will literally not find one postive comment about her from me out of thousands of posts. But she scored tonight.

she might as well have been a republican up there. That said, I think she did a good job over all, and I really liked her standing up to Wolf about hypotheticals, her Cheney zinger was great, and I liked her stressing diplomacy when it came to Iran... she has sounded far too hawkish on Iran to me. I am not a fan of hers, but she's certainly gone up a notch for me ... which of course means diddly to anyone but me :) Everyone on that stage is so far above anything the Repubs have to offer!

Obama still has the edge as far as I'm concerned .. and then Edwards.

to be the candidate and I ain't going there! Keeping my fingers crossed that Democrats have enough sense NOT to be "fooled" with MSM crowning her the Queen!

I know too many people on the other side who just can't wait to "tell me how stupid" Democrats for nominating her. But that's the "south" for you!

in the subject line, and then leave your post blank without any real discussion of why you feel the way you do.

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Don't be shy. Tell us how you really feel.

I think her/Obama/Biden won the debate.

hypothetical rhetoric doesn't make this nation safe or secure!!

and her saying so over and over doesn't answer a thing..and i don't think anyone was looking to her for leadership..that is nonsence..they were all there trying to score their own points..end of story..

personally i thought Edwards showed more leadership than Hillary saying over and over ..hypothetical..

EDWARDS TOOK RESPONSIBILITY FOR HIS VOTE FOR THIS WAR..STRONGLY..HE ADMITTED HIS MISTAKES..

Hillary still hangs onto the ..i looked at the info..well the hell she did..and Edwards admitted he made mistakes..that is what this current admins never does take responsibility...

i want a clean house..no more of the *hes or the Clintons..i have had enough of a two family white house!!

and she did not impress me at all!!

personally i would walk on water.. singing for Gore!!

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Process doesn't mean that much in the end.

It's time for someone new...the MSM & republicans want Hillary to win because they know she couldn't win the general election. I just hope democrats get a clue and realize that. Hillary makes an ok senator but president? I think this country is having a leadership crisis.

I did appreciate her remarks about hypotheticals; she was absolutely correct to speak up about it.

She didn't lead the discussion, and her positions don't lead anybody on that stage. She was given more opportunity than many to establish herself as "leading," it's true. More questions and more speaking time don't make her a leader, though. They make CNN complicit in corrupting the election process.

She is favored by the corporate media, and that is suspect.

I was surprised. I did not think much of Hillary before tonight. I thought she was very formulaic and not really good at thinking on her feet.

MSNBC debate with its rehash of republikan smears.

I thought Brian Williams did a much better job than Wolf Blitzer did.