NYT EDITORIAL: ENOUGH! IT'S SUBPOENA TIME!

It’s Subpoena Time
Published: June 8, 2007

....Mr. Schlozman fits neatly into the larger picture. Prosecutors who refused to use their offices to help Republicans win elections, like John McKay in Washington State, and David Iglesias in New Mexico, were fired. Prosecutors who used their offices to help Republicans did well.

Congress has now heard from everyone in the Justice Department who appears to have played a significant role in the firings of the prosecutors. They have all insisted that the actual decisions about whom to fire came from somewhere else. It is increasingly clear that the somewhere else was the White House. If Congress is going to get to the bottom of the scandal, it has to get the testimony of Mr. Rove, his aides Scott Jennings and Sara Taylor, Ms. Miers and her deputy, William Kelley.

The White House has offered to make them available only if they do not take an oath and there is no transcript. Those conditions are a formula for condoning perjury, and they are unacceptable. As for documents, the White House has released piles of useless e-mail messages. But it has reported that key e-mails to and from Mr. Rove were inexplicably destroyed. At the same time, it has argued that e-mails of Mr. Rove’s that were kept on a Republican Party computer system, which may contain critical information, should not be released.

This noncooperation has gone on long enough. Mr. Leahy should deliver the subpoenas for the five White House officials and make clear that if the administration resists, Congress will use all available means to get the information it needs.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/08/opinion/08fri1.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin

...to send the Capitol Police to arrest any citizen of the United States, even the president himself?

I remember hearing it during a series on the US Constitution with, at the time, former Justice Stewart.

is that is does not hold to the old rule of law, they just don't and everyone knows it, and as you can see by the very real actions of this whitehouse ignoring the subpeonas that they have absolutely no fear that of being forced to face justice...

So it comes down to this, though I do believe we have certain individuals who are more than likely honest upstanding citizens, they have no power, none whatsoever, and that is what scares me the most, I believe scooter was kind of a bone for those getting upset at this adminstration, you know, throw the dog a bone and he will chew happily for a while..

But I don't see scooter actually facing any real justice...

This adminstration has even the highest officials living in fear of them, and people constantly bitch about the dems not doing enough, what can you do when the law is obviously no longer on your side, you can yell about it and they do, but thats about it, sad as it is.

and Bush's Secret Service detail.

one step at a time.

This kind of public support is also essential to the success of the process.
This, albeit not official government action, is a HUGE step forward. HOOOORAY!

If these same people are capable of stealing elections and torturing little children, what would stop them from threatening their political opponents? I've seen far less sophisticated organizations do the same thing, why not someone using the tools of government?

How do we know that the NSA Spy program hasn't been pursued harder because the members of the Senate and the House have had information collected illegally held over their heads?

What's to stop them from blackmailing these people?

Cowards aren't good leaders.

or someone else close to you were threatened would you then back down? I don't see many of them as cowards at all, you know people like those inside this administration will do anything they can to get to you and if they can't get to you they will get to someone close to you, could you live with knowing your actions hurt someone you loved?

If we have people serving in Iraq and being killed and maimed for a lie, how can we expect less than naked honesty from from a representative of the people. Let the individual who fears carrying out his oath, resign, and be replaced by someone more courageous or less cowed.

If as few as half a dozen individuals got together and publicly dared the administration to commit political and literal suicide by carrying through on their threats to arrange "accidents" for them and their families.

Unfortunately, threats like that aren't the real problem. It's the mistresses, the fetish clubs, the secret addictions, all the petty indiscretions which might well result in terminal political embarrassment.

Many of these people ARE cowards. Cowards who are unwilling to sacrifice themselves and their careers to excise the cancer which has taken over the United States of America.

A threat to harm only has value, as long as the victim is willing to be terrorised and history teaches us that there is ALWAYS someone who eventually is unwilling to take any more and WILL strike back.

A threat to reveal, only goes stale when the secret comes out. The only way to defuse the threat is to reveal the secret yourself, which is all too likely to silence your vote forever when you are hounded from office.


True patriots would en-mass, secretly write out full confessions to their petty and not so petty indiscretions, seal them and place them in the hands of a trusted third party.

They would one item at a time, pass bills reversing every scrap of duplicitous legislation enacted over the period of the Bush administration.

When there is retaliation against those voting in favour of these bills, release the pre-recorded dirt file and an affidavit detailing the threats made against them.

The truest of patriots would agree to release the entire kit and caboodle the moment the first fleck of mud began to fly.


Hell the US public might surprise them and a lot of other people by recognising and respecting the integrity and courage it took to face off the attempt to intimidate them into submission.

FFS Clinton dodged and danced around the truth until he looked like a complete pratt, but the people still for the most part supported him because they also recognised the whole impeachment process for what it was and did not like it one bit.

Aren't they smart enough to do it again. Especially when it's not just an attempt to embarrass a single man into resignation, but a bald faced attempt to take over the country and hand it to corporations who would like nothing better than to delete the "wage" from the expression "wage slaves".

by men bigger than me. (I've worked as a security contractor in some pretty rough places) I've been attacked. But I am not afraid. I can handle myself, and I knew what I was getting into beforehand. Not to mention the fact that I was getting paid to perform a job. Other employees safety depended on my ability to perform what actions were required of me effectively without failure. "I was scared" or "He threatened to hurt me" is not acceptable.

"I don't see many of them as cowards at all, you know people like those inside this administration will do anything they can to get to you and if they can't get to you they will get to someone close to you, could you live with knowing your actions hurt someone you loved?"
That, to me, is pretty much the definition of a coward. Either you do the right thing, or you do not. Justifying your failure to act with fear is a pathetic attempt to shift responsibility.

These bastards have used fear of "terra" and 9/11 to pummel this country into a cowering wimpering battered wife.
I'm sick of it.

...from those sworn to uphold the constitution? these elected officials have a higher standard to meet than the average citizen. they are more like soldiers who are expected to do what is necessary for the country, to make the necessary sacrifices. like sitting by the exit door on a plane, you agree to do what is necessary in case of emergency in exchange for the privilege of extra leg room. it's when the chips are down that real patriots show their true colors. all the rest is sunshine patriotism.

All the resignations of many government employees and appointees drifting into obscurity by... choice? :shrug:

Simple, "these people" are not the criminals! If above-the-law tactics were to be deployed, they would have to look elsewhere in the black bag. And Senators know what is in that bag too.

They sold out this country and our constitution.

are we all on Candid Camera and this whole * term in office has been just a big joke? Or - is * really set on destroying the USA as we have come to know and love it? Look what he had stirred up at the G8. Even Gorbachov has come out and said the US has lost all credibility.

I hope Gorby means * has lost all credibility and that they (the Russians and probably all the other countries of the world) are willing to give the U.S. another chance after * is out of office.

I think about the Wizard of Oz and the 'man behind the curtain'. The U.S. has always been thought of to be a super power in the world. Other countries feared us. What * has done was to destroy that image of the U.S. He has exposed all the weaknesses in the U.S. Instead of using his administration to shore up all our shortcomings - he did a 180 and has lost the world's respect for the U.S. He made us look weak.

as he's shown since he's regained the JC chairmanship & has had to deal with these thugs. I have faith that he has been laying out the groundwork for issuing those subpoenas & for taking drastic measures when the WH refuses to cooperate.

Enough is enough.

offices and aheam take a looksie

if you get my drift

Check the recent video of his attitude to Schlozman:

Leahy Gets Very Angry (at Bradley Schlozman, enemy of the voters)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x33306

Revenge of the People will be the title of the movie. These Rs just plain did not see the Oversight Bus approaching in the rear view mirror, and they remain completely dumbfounded. Leahy's answer today could be, "Yeah? Like you guys did?"

are so huge, so pervasive, that the Democrats are impotent. This administration is wiping their collective asses with the Constitution and apparently nobody is going to stop them.

that it's hard to know where to start. That's not an exact quote; just the gist of what he was saying.

and they have their work cut out for them in that regard.

One foot in front of the other.

upon thousands of some of your most loyal base voters-African Americans and cost the Dems several elections. Show these disenfranched voters that you will take severe and proper action upon this criminal element that is destroying our country!

personally, I am glad this is dragging out - though I agree that the time has come to move boldly. Why am i glad that it has drug out? Because a politically aware colleague asked me in early March - so what is the deal with the controversy of the fired USAs - the story and reality of what was going on wasn't clear to him. Now the ongoing story has penetrated so many news cycles that many, many people have come to understand just how ominous and odious the whole story actually is.

the seriousness of firing U.S. Attorneys because they didn't investigate voter fraud? Many of those people truly believe that Democrats do illegal things like pay illegal aliens to vote Democratically, or that the majority of "dead men" who vote, seem to vote for Democrats. In fact, the last time I went to vote, the guy at the sign-in table was making it a point of telling everybody how dirty Mayor Daley was, and made it sound like the things he did was common practice for Democrats. In other words, the ordinary Republican will think that if the GOP did something dirty, it was only because they were trying to offset the dirty-tricks being played by Democrats.

I don't think we'll get through to them, until we also prove that voter fraud is a myth.

The Dems have to be withering and clear to cut through the imposed fallacies and inertia created by the media. We could write millions of letters and not puncture the tragic "nose to the MSM" that our leaders seem bowed to. Otherwise this self-defeating cycle of quieted, counterspin doggedness will constantly stop befuddled at the stone wall built of fraud leggos.

The Dems must impose the severity and reality upon the media and not get into the position of impotently playing by their rules and allowing the easy spin that sends them retreating even further to de facto legitimizing of dangerous fantasies- the worst being the granddaddy of them all- the theft of 2000.

FROM: .... GUILTY. Is Everyone in the WHITE HOUSE Going to the "OUT" House?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1069515

Did years of White House e-mail evaporate into a cyber black hole because EVERYONE
was using dot.gov accounts to do Bush Cheney 2004 campaigning on the taxpayers dime?

OR, Will they ALL have to RESIGN? YES, if they were campaigning on the taxpayer's clock?
Perhaps we have been missing what has been obvious to Waxman, et.al., all along.

What constitutes a Hatch Act violation? ANY political activity on USG time, ANY.
It does not matter if it is a dot.gov or rnc.com e-mail if the person is on the clock,
at work in an official capacity. If anything at all is done on a CAMPAIGN it is a
Hatch Act violation. Read ILLEGAL. Read a CRIME. Read getting flushed!!

While researching Tim Griffin---the vote-caging, Rovian, just-resigned, Patriot Act implant
USA in Arkansas---and his vote caging e-mail that landed in the lap of Greg Palast, I noticed
that some of the e-mails had dot.gov addresses AND were being used to conduct campaign business.
This adds one huge illegal dimension to the mis-directed e-mails in addition to voter caging,
Hatch Act violations. Inquiry into the Hatch Act made me aware of the scope of the law's reach.

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NYT Editorial Tells Leahy to Subpoena Rove and Miers
or Stop Pretending to Conduct an Endless Investigation
That Lacks Any Teeth. When You Get Chastised by the NYT
for Wimpiness and Timidity in Fighting the Busheviks,
You Need to Check if You've Still Got a Set of Balls. 6/8

Whatever the reason for the delay, we are now looking like paper tigers.

Without so much as a "meow".

:banghead: