Impeachment is too good for his ass, let's focus beyond it.

If he's impeached, fine. But that's not enough for me, I want revenge on this motherfucker, and I want him to face justice like I'd have to if I'd fucked up as royally as he has.

Him and dick both, we need to think BEYOND impeachment. Nixon was almost impeached, and he avoided it only by stepping down, but he was an impeached man walking.

Clinton was impeached, OVER NOTHING, and finished his term with huge popularity numbers in the polls.

I certainly won't object to impeaching bush AND cheney, but I want more, so much, much more.

If we fail to do our duty and impeach these monsters, then fuck us anyway, and if we fail to serve them a hot steaming plate of justice for their tyrannies and atrocities, then fuck us twice.

Impeachment is a political act...what's required with all the goons in this regime are criminal investigations and prosecutions. The needless deaths they've caused demand justice and in a manner where there are no pardons and no way to walk away free from their guilt.

Retribution? No...I want justice. I want the truth and all those who who abetted this regime to be held accountable for their actions in what I can easily say is the darkest period of American history and its most corrupt.

Going after just boooshie and crashcart lets a lot of others off the hook. I want people like Wolfowitz, Perle, Feith and all the underlings to be charged as well. Impeachment tells booshie and the rest to go home with little other redress. Good chance they'd get blanket pardons as well...killing any real attempt to get to the bottom of what happened, who was responsible and making those responsible accountable.

Impeachment is vengence rather than justice. What justice would have been served had Clinton been convicted? Inversely, just sending booshie home with the equivelent of another failing grade is an insult to all those who have suffered under his ignorant and arrogant rule. He holds the pardon power that I'm very concerned he'll waive all over the beltway if he feels the heat gets too hot and he can still get away with it.

The big thing right now is to investigate...dig and get a little of the backlog of crimes into the light. Make it so clear the criminality that public pressure would make it nearly impossible for boooshie to give out pardons or face the total destruction of what remains of his corrupt political party and "legacy".

Cheers...

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What punishment would fit the crime?

What options should Americans pursue?

I know the law is now irrelevant, but there is where the answer is. These men have committed the highest of high crimes, and they've gotten away with it for far too long.

What is the punishment for tyranny, torture, piracy, genocide? I think we know, but we just can't say. I would settle for prison terms.

And decapitated someone else for the same crimes I believe?

I guess they themselves see this as a just punishment.

A war that's killed probably hundreds of thousands of people....

If the president of any country other than a first-world Western power had done this, he or she would be express-jetted to the Hague.

They certainly didn't go into Iraq for the reasons they claimed. They went into Iraq for personal and political gain pure and simple and it's cost this country dearly.
There's also the issue of torture and violations of the Geneva convention for using white phosphorus in Iraq. They have a lot to answer for and they should be made to account to the people they've harmed. I personally believe both Bush and Cheney should be turned over to Iraq at some point in the future.
This ass clown has gotten away scott free every time he's screwed up and it's time for him to pay a price for once in his life.

How binding is the oath of office? bush* has obviously broken it several times over.

You are absolutely right to say that they must face justice for what they have done.
Impeachment alone is not enough.

Isay we throw the book at them and them turn them over to the International Criminal Courts and let them have a go at them.Then turn them over to the Iraqis and let them have at them.

The best wayto prevent future crimes of the nature these freaks have committed is to
MAKE THEM PAY!
Then maybe others with such loathsome ideas will think twice about trying to put their plans in motion.

would be a good starting point. I've always thought impeachment would be a slap on the wrist. The fact that these 2 pieces of feces get to collect a pension for the rest of their worthless, fucking lives, is disturbing as well. I really hope that the historians will roast these evil bastards and hope and pray we go back to the paper ballot, marked with pen.

Come on. Live by the sword, die by the sword. This country needs forward, progressive thinking and healing. We don't need revenge. And we're not even going to get impeachment. Just help ensure a good democrat gets the nomination, and talk to your friends and neighbors. Energy is too precious to waste on revenge fantasies.

it's Justice..

Revenge is ancillary to justice at best.

I've got no problem with Justice/impeachment. Revenge is a bad motivator. Always.

Clearly the congress and senate are not going to impeach. If they were serious about doing so, the mechanisms would have started. Clearly Bush has violated his oath of office, and should be impeached. the clearest case of this is the wire tapping, where he broke the law. Period. The only defense to this is that the war powers allowed him to circumvent the law-but this is a weak defense that will not hold up. So, yes, we should impeach. But we're not going to.

As far as revenge....why? What does that even mean?

:)

Personally, I think that if everyone thought more like MLK, Gandhi, and Thoreau the world would be a much better place.

I want him to be reminded every day that he is the worst pResident ever and the biggest fuck-up this country has ever seen.

Of course, since he has no conscience this probably won't happen.

are the only chance for even symbolic justice

We send Bush to the Hague. The case has already been sent, documented, and he has been found guilty. They are just waiting for us to send him.

I don't want to impeach bush for revenge, but more to prevent him for doing any further damage like attacking Iran. What if there were another national emergency with him in charge? Remember 9/11? Katrina?

It's just something I've seen and heard while glancing at posts. Racketeering violations.