The war at home. It's about to get real ugly.

I hear it in the republican's voices, the hatred, the fear, the panic, they will take this to the brink, all the way, just listen to the cspan callers and hit the alarm button.

I see NO happy scenarios or logical outcomes for America, this is probably the year that the shit hits the fan. I see where this is all going, and it's real ugly.

This is not gloom and doomism, this is real, we are fucked any way you figure it.

I defy anyone to offer sunny, optimistic outcomes in the next two years. We should brace ourselves for the worst.

This war is coming home to roost, right here, and it won't be crazy people from another nation that destroy America.

What are they saying?

And then they'll switch to anti war folks, I guess. They are all saying that we should go in with full force, win it, like a football game. They keep mentioning the 'Dresden solution', which I assume means blowing their cities to hell, rush must've said this recently, they're all saying it.

They just oppose us.

If they are too old/infirmed, even for the new relaxed standards, they could:

volunteer at the local VA hospital
write letters and make phone calls to their Congresscritters
"adopt" a small number of soldiers and send them care packages

but they don't. Hell, I do all the above things and I am AGAINST this war!

I tell them, "Get your boots on the ground or shut the f**k up."

mikey_the_rat

keep the union. From where will it come?

The numbers of the diehard righties shrink every day. We will never be rid of them entirely, but they can do much less damage with 28% public approval than 82%, no?

it would be a short lived war since by the time it starts, they'll have about 14 er so-called Patriots for the fight.

... the vast majority of these fucks are all talk and no do. The irrational fear they express for terror, liberals, everything beyond their ken, will immobilize them. The 101st Fighting Keyboards and 102 Doomist Callers are just going to huddle in their mobile home bunkers.

And in case they don't, I'm ready :)

The freepers would never make it past lunch, no less dinner.

our scenario is simply making the gulf wider and more obvious.

nothing is going to stop certain from becoming more and more irrational.

in fact you might say america is suffering from a real LACK of rationality -- from the ''pro-life'' fraks to the the fabulists of extreme violence to the deniers of global warming.

They're caged animals. Listen to the way they are lashing out and groping for anything to "legitimize" their conveluted and self-centered "ideals". Repugnicans are now not just morally, but politically bankrupt and the loss of power is like watching a junkie kicking heroin cold turkey. They're angry, irrational...and yes, dangerous...but more to themselves than to the rest of us.

I do see some sunny things that have and are going to happen due to the past 6 years and this ugly invasion. Last year's elections was an affirmation that our votes can and do matter and we can enact change...it just will take time. We've just come out of the darkest era of our nation's history and it's going to be a long, slow road back to sanity, but I do see a time when that does happen...and in fact, could advance into more progressive times. Every conservative period has led to a "awakening"...like the 60's vs. the 50's and the 20's vs. the Victorian era and so on.

This war will never have a positive end, since there's no real, tangible objective...just an abstract. It's not like we march our troops into Kuwait or Berlin and hold parades. This regime's complete mismangment assure an American defeat...the only questions are how bad and when. In its wake, there will be an accounting and this, too, could be a positive thing as legislation and other actions will follow that will prevent future executives from the runaway power this regime has abused. Sadly, sometimes to learn how to prevent the bank from being robbed from all the abuses of a past robbery...learning from experience.

Our battles will be to stand firm for the truth and justice. To push for what we all believe are basic human and civil rights for all and to keep our division on an honest and civil level (yes, I know I'm dreaming). We'll have a decade or longer to clean up the messes this regime and its "legacy" will leave us and those who had their hands on an American defeat will be banished to the hinterlands of public opinion and thought.

I'm not worried about A-rabs flying airplanes into my head. These people have far bigger problems to deal with, and, so do I. We'd be fucked if the GOOP had added seats last November or that the polls kept showing public support for this regime and this invasion. Just consider it good karma.

Cheers...

The Powers that Be no longer control the message, and everyone has access to tons of information, that was not easily accessable in the past.

I've probably got enough evidence on my harddrive to convict the whole bunch and so do 1000's of other people.

There are big changes coming for us and the rest of humanity, yet I feel like humans still have a chance. I think once we shut down BushCo for once and for all, a lot of good things will start happening.

can be as bad as the opposite. Unfortunately I see it all too often here that someone will cite website after website to validate some theory or push an agenda that can add disinformation, but it's a buyers beware market out there. I think the real point is being as objective a receiver of that information and be able to filter what is fact from spin.

This regime's hubris got the best of them. They felt they were truly invinsible and could spin they're way out of any mess...or slime, if needed. We're starting to really see the wheels falling off on their propaganda machine. Unfortunately it's gonna take more failure, more deaths and suffering, but there's precious little we can do now other than push ahead with pushing this country back to center and assessing the debris left along the way.

I hope anyone who does has it backed up somewhere and locked up safe! I wouldn't put it past TPTB to scrub all the evidence every chance they get. That's why they want net neutrality so badly.

I've saved about 1 gig worth of 9,000+ files in four different countries. :)

although I agree there is serious potential for big clashes between rightwingers and the rest of us, I still think we are on a more positive track overall. It's the leadership you have to watch in this rout, not the lowly followers. The NeoCon leadership may be floundering but they will always come up with new ways to exploit the country for their true base, the rich and the corporate. Their poor and middle-class followers I'm not worried about. They're kind of pathetic. It's those who have deceived them we need to watch.

Which probably consist of 80% of the FR, can't wait to start a little home grown terrorism.

that you are more likely to be harmed by a Government disrespecting the Constitution than you are by a terrorist.

meet the new boss, ____ as the old boss.

optimism and hope for the 21st. century. People felt there was a good future in store. But now, so many are so afraid of the 'terrorists' that they are full of hate and panic. It truly sickens me ...so much so, that I intend to leave these shores.

and corporatists to bring us to this place. They will not fold up shop easily. They have a plan...and the plan has involved polarization and division of the public in every way possible. Just like Iraq. We are being played like a violin.

This division will be exploited and there will be increasing tension, maybe a constitutional crisis here and there, and there will be fear, fear, fear....

My feeling is that this is choreographed to buy time, keep corporate profits in place, keep gas prices high, divert attention, etc.. I also suspect that any democrat that rises to power will have one foot firmly planted in this overall corporate path to power and profit. Hard to imagine anything else, given that trillions of dollars are at stake. (It's not my fault I suspect that corporatism is driving events...I used to be naive, but having open eyes and reading DU has converted me)

Yes, this will be a tough year, just as each year since 2000 has been tougher than the last.

I was talking to a poster on another board and he threatened me an others before the election he was ranting and raving and talking about starting a civil war and who did we think would win and he said they would and on and on and on...I had to turn off cspan because it was so irritating. I believe if it doesn't go there way they will create a scenerio like mc veigh or worse...and try to claim terrorism. The senators are showing up on cspan trying to pretend as though they have memory loss on a variety of issue and this is being done for people who haven't listened to them in the past... I heard a congressman on the floor yesterday ranting and raving about how unfair the Dems were in the past few weeks and starting talking about bipartsanship as though they were fair ....