Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

crazy story student told me about Iraq confirmed in Jeremy Scahill's BLACKWATER

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU
 
yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-09-07 03:49 AM
Original message
crazy story student told me about Iraq confirmed in Jeremy Scahill's BLACKWATER
I have returning vets from time to time in my community college English classes. I asked one guy what he did over and he said he was in psyops. He said their job was to drive around blaring insults and blasphemy over loudspeakers so guys would get mad and run out at them, and the troops could then kill them.

This sounded nuts to me because apart from killing people, you might be making more enemies by driving around insulting their religion at rock concert volume.

Then a few minutes ago in Jeremy Scahill's BLACKWATER, I read that this exact tactic was used in the first seige of Fallujah after the Blackwater contractors were killed.


This is one of many things that have happened in the war that make you wonder if the Bushies were not just incompetent, but intentionally courting war instead of trying to "pacify" the country. A similar one was when interrogators at Abu Ghraib would tell prisoners they were Israeli Mossad. Whether it was true or not, it would serve no purpose to say so except to piss off the guy you are interrogating, and if you later letter him go, piss off everyone he talks to.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-09-07 04:17 AM
Response to Original message
1. yeah, you know things are really fucked up when the stories you think
are too far fetched to be true turn out to be completely true.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-09-07 04:31 AM
Response to Original message
2. Evil and incompetence aren't mutually exclusive, when you think about
it.

I've caught Scahill on Amy Goodman's show and want to read his book.

God, it sounds like we've imported the Klan to Iraq. :(
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-09-07 03:56 PM
Response to Reply #2
7. they did that too. remember story about recruiting skinheads?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-09-07 04:29 PM
Response to Reply #7
13. Now I remember.
Good god.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-09-07 04:56 PM
Response to Reply #13
14. Next up: Major Charles Manson (he's real good at motivating people)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ima_sinnic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-09-07 04:55 AM
Response to Original message
3. there's no question they have been "intentionally courting war"
--there's no way in hell that I believe that "Sunnis" bombed the Golden Mosque just as the two sides were uniting to throw out the invaders.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-09-07 03:57 PM
Response to Reply #3
8. good reminder on that one. and polls of Iraqis show they want one country
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
NJCher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-09-07 04:56 AM
Response to Original message
4. story doesn't surprise me at all
I'm pretty sure I've read this is a tactic they use.

And as far as their objectives go, it's always been to destabilize the Middle East. Organized, unified countries can better act in their own best interests. Best to keep them fighting among themselves.



Cher
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
glowing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-09-07 06:46 AM
Response to Original message
5. Wasn't there a blurb the other day that the insurgents and al Quada
agreed to a cease fire... I wonder if they are joining forces for now to get the US occupiers out and sort the rest out later.

And then yesterday through the paris debacle and other things, 26 killed... who knows how many wounded, they don't say that anymore.

I wonder if there is a connection, especially when the govt is drafting legislation to kick us out.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-09-07 03:58 PM
Response to Reply #5
9. the problem is, any story with al qaeda in it has a greater than 50/50 chance of being 100% bullshit
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-09-07 07:48 AM
Response to Original message
6. We have made no account of the number of Iraqis we have killed.
Instead the Bullshit Media System portrays the endless carnage as sectarian strife. In a sense that is true: we are one of the sects, and we are doing the vast majority of the killing.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-09-07 04:01 PM
Response to Reply #6
10. I read something like this in Richard Wright's BLACK BOY. whites would whisper to him that...
a black guy who worked across the street wanted to fight him, but Richard did what they didn't expect and went right across the street to ask the guy. It turned out his white co-workers were telling him the same thing. Eventually, they decided to fight just to get the white guys off their backs, but once they started, they realized they couldn't get away with just faking it, so they gave each other a real pounding.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
libodem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-09-07 04:07 PM
Response to Original message
11. No wonder Blackwater doesn't want to tell the families
of the 4 mercenaries what their family members were doing when they were torn apart and burned. This seems like a foregone conclusion. Have you seen in the Favorites: Blackwater to sue the families to shut them up? Hell, now it's easy to see why. One more piece of the puzzle supplied by a DU poster.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-09-07 04:12 PM
Response to Reply #11
12. mercs are hated by Iraqis AND troops. they've gotten in firefights with marines
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
libodem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-09-07 06:40 PM
Response to Reply #12
15. Way to pay attention
and keepin' your ears open, yerbud.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-09-07 11:59 PM
Response to Reply #11
17. And Ken Starr is one of Blackwater's lead attorneys.
What a wonderful career he's had. :sarcasm:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-09-07 06:43 PM
Response to Original message
16. No offense, but WTF? You run around as bait acting like an Ugly American,
and shoot anyone who bites?

That's messed up.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
dEMOK Donating Member (833 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-10-07 04:07 PM
Response to Original message
18. R (too late to K)
This level of blatant idiocy is exasperating beyond words. :banghead:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
bamacrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-10-07 04:12 PM
Response to Original message
19. Shit... dont know what else to say but shit..
that is just stupid, I wonder how many troops have been killed because of that.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Thu May 02nd 2024, 06:16 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC