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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-02-07 09:25 AM
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What I Wish Our Congress Was Willing To Accept As Fact:
Edited on Fri Feb-02-07 09:26 AM by Jacobin
Today's Must Read
By Paul Kiel - February 2, 2007, 8:44 AM

With the administration trying to whip up hysteria about Iran's alleged training of attackers, Tom Lasseter of McClatchy details Muqtada al-Sadr's success in getting the U.S. to train his own men:

After U.S. units pounded al-Sadr's men in August 2004, the cleric apparently decided that instead of facing American tanks, he'd use the Americans' plans to build Iraqi security forces to rebuild his own militia.

So while Iraq's other main Shiite militia, the Badr Brigade, concentrated in 2005 on packing Iraqi intelligence bureaus with high-level officers who could coordinate sectarian assassinations, al-Sadr went after the rank and file.

His recruits began flooding into the Iraqi army and police, receiving training, uniforms and equipment either directly from the U.S. military or from the American-backed Iraqi Defense Ministry.

The result:

"Half of them are . They'll wave at us during the day and shoot at us during the night," said 1st Lt. Dan Quinn, a platoon leader in the Army's 1st Infantry Division.... "People (in America) think it's bad, but that we control the city . That's not the way it is. They control it, and they let us drive around. It's hostile territory."



I know this is not news to DUers, like it wasn't news to us that Iraq would be a disaster, that the WMD excuses were bogus, and on and on.

This seems to be the crux of the matter here. The training that we do of Iraqis is NOT to support the puppet government installed. The training, arming and equipping of Iraqis is going to be used to expel U.S. troops from Iraq and for sectarian conflicts.

Congress does not want to know this. They are apparently willingly blind because they don't want to admit that we are defeated. When will they get a grip on reality?


http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/002463.php
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-02-07 09:29 AM
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1. If Bush sends 21,000 troops to Iraq and embeds the in Iraqi units -
One morning America will wake to the news that 21,000 American troops have been killed in Iraq.
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Jonathan50 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-02-07 09:39 AM
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2. How many troops?
The US Army’s own manual (just rewritten by Gen Petreus) on counter insurgency operations (COIN) calls for a troop to population ratio of 20 troops for every 1000 civilians. Iraq’s population is roughly 26 million, so we should have roughly 520,000 troops in country to do a COIN operation.

How many troops do we have in country now?

Bahdad’s population is 6 million so we should have 120,000 troops in Baghdad alone.

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ktlyon Donating Member (733 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-02-07 09:44 AM
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3. war on the cheap is never pretty
for that matter how is war even an alternative?
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-02-07 09:45 AM
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4. What's the point?
Troops for what?

Its their oil, not ours.
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-02-07 10:10 AM
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7. In the entire country, there are about 130,000.
In the history of the occupation, troop levels have ranged from 120,00 to 160,000. I believe there are about 30,000-40,000 in Baghdad.

This "surge" or "escalation" or whatever they call it is just a repackaging of the same old plan.
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CrazyOrangeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-02-07 09:46 AM
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5. kick n/t
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INdemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-02-07 10:05 AM
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6. Wish someone in Congress would review the History of the Vietnam War
The same thing was happening with South Vietnamese Army.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-02-07 11:55 AM
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8. Yep
It took 12 years for congress to come to grips with it then. Looks like we are headed for the same idiotic time line
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INdemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-03-07 11:58 AM
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9. The Generals in charge should certainly have the common sense to
realize that embedding the troops with Iraqi soldiers just wont work..But then again its politics and they want that next Star so they just follow orders.
I was astonished to see on the News (ABC) that they had a video supposedly taken with a cell phone camera of an actual battle lead by Iraqi soldiers. The quality was too good for a cell phone camera and the battle was a miserable failure until Americans were called in. The problem I had with this was that two soldiers died just so they (the Pentagon) could get a photo op for propaganda
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