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justiceischeap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-02-07 11:51 AM
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For all the talk that Dem's hate Hillary, she sure got a great response
At the DNC winter meeting.

I know she has a lot of faults but I don't think she's as hated as we think she is.

BTW, I really enjoyed Obama and Edward's speeches.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-02-07 11:53 AM
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1. This site is not representative of Democrats as a whole. nt
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-02-07 11:57 AM
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how about in Iowa last weekend?
I don't support her for the nomination, but she will not be a pushover either.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-02-07 12:00 PM
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11. Iowa is not representative of Democrats as a whole either.
It's lilly-white and teachers are over-represented.

We still love 'em, but it's not indicative of Democrats on a national level.
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MessiahRp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-02-07 01:04 PM
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39. They don't have to be...
Because once she gets trounced and ends up in third in that first primary caucus she will be deep in the hole going into New Hampshire. Ask Howard Dean how hard of a hole that it to crawl out of.

Rp
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rurallib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-02-07 12:30 PM
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31. Uh, she wasn't that well received.
Iowans are very nice and polite. Her audience was mostly polite.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-02-07 11:53 AM
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2. I am not one of the 'haters" That label only divides us.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-02-07 11:55 AM
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3. I don't hate her. She's just too much of a hawk. nt
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-02-07 11:55 AM
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4. Name me one DUer who's ever said he/she "hates" Sen. Clinton.
I know plenty who don't think she'd make a good President, and others who don't care for her record as a Senator, but I'm at a loss to find one who actually "hates" her.

NGU.
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-02-07 11:57 AM
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7. Thank you. I endorse what you are saying.
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Connie_Corleone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-02-07 11:55 AM
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5. DU is just a very small part of the Democratic base.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-02-07 11:58 AM
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10. very true
We think we are reflective of the party at large, but on the whole our members are far to the left of the mainstream Democratic party and its members.
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Raffi Ella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-02-07 12:08 PM
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17. I agree
and Hills poll numbers prove that.

:bluebox:
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-02-07 12:12 PM
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19. But what's funny is that she's thought of as being too far to the left
for most swing state voters in purple states to like her much.
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Raffi Ella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-02-07 12:49 PM
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34. why do you think that?
because my first though after reading it is "or so the pundits say" but then again,are there poll numbers out there that back that up?
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-02-07 11:56 AM
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6. Bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran
What's not to like about her?

:-)
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-02-07 11:57 AM
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8. Criticizing her faults doesn't equal "hate"
At least it doesn't for me. I don't hate her, but she's still not my candidate of choice.

I'm not sure "hate" is the right word.
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Sammy Pepys Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-02-07 11:57 AM
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9. For as much as I want to dislike her....
...it's hard to. Despite that, it will be a "hold-my-nose" vote if she gets the nod though :(
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-02-07 12:00 PM
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12. Since when does criticism equal hate? That sounds like BushCo's....
"If you're not with us" logic. ........

I don't hate or even dislike Hillary Clinton, and if she's the nominee I'll be out there screaming for her election, but all of her hawkish talk on Iran lately has soured me on her quite a bit.
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justiceischeap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-02-07 12:02 PM
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13. Okay, so "hate" was the wrong word
But talk like "I can't stand her" etc. can be equated to "hate" by some. Semantics.

Would "Bash" be better?
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obnoxiousdrunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-02-07 12:04 PM
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14. It's true
For 15 years and millions of dollars of the hate campaign its hard not to hate her.
Sad but true.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-02-07 12:05 PM
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15. The candidates bus in their folks...
so it is easy to get a good reception. It's what the say and what they have done in the past that one has to keep in mind when we listen.

Anyone can pander. anyone.
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justiceischeap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-02-07 12:13 PM
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20. So everyone in the room at the DNC Winter Meeting
Are from Hillary's camp?

The entire room exploded... So unless she bussed them all in, then I'd think she got a pretty warm reception from everyone in the room.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-02-07 12:07 PM
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16. How did she do at Take Back America conference last year?
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-02-07 12:17 PM
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22. Not at all well. Our wonderful Senator Kerry wowed them though. n/t
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-02-07 12:23 PM
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28. Yep - and why McAuliffe has spread meme about both Gore and Kerry as the
worst campaigns.

Putting all blame on them and not his poorly run DNC that failed to secure the election process for both candidates who would be in office today but for McAuliffe's failure to secure the election process in states like Florida and Ohio BEFORE the votes were even cast and in too many cases, were LOST and stolen.
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-02-07 12:32 PM
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32. I'm sorry, but they did indeed suck as candidates.
Don't get me wrong, I'm a big fan of both of them. But they were terrible campaigners. They both too often came off as being stiff and impersonal whenever they tried to speak. Once in awhile they would relax and let enough personality through to make it sound good, but no, they weren't really good campaigners. More's the pity, but you can't blame it on Terry McAuliffe just because you've got a vendetta going with him.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-02-07 12:38 PM
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33. They both did well enough to win - and blaming them distracts attention away
Edited on Fri Feb-02-07 12:43 PM by blm
frm election fraud and the targetted state strategy that weakened the party infrastructure in too many states over the last ten years before Dean tossed it into the trash where it belonged.

Neither Gore or Kerry made mistakes in their campaigns that were INSURMOUNTABLE. Kerry swept the debates decisively but the DNC was not prepared for any serious increase in voter turnout for Democrats. DNC had EXPECTED to lose and PROVED it with their neglect of so many crucial states like Ohio.

McAuliffe's failure to secure the election process WAS an INSURMOUNTABLE mistake that lost the vote count just as it would have for even a near-perfect candidate.
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w8liftinglady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-02-07 12:09 PM
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18. after Kucinich's Moving speech,her's sounded trite and canned...just my opinion.
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-02-07 12:19 PM
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23. Agree. Her delivery was fine....but it sounded like a pre-recorded telemarketer's call.
:think:
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-02-07 12:16 PM
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21. If they didn't they would feel the rath of Bill. n/t
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-02-07 12:20 PM
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24. You are right, the establishment loves her
and, for the most part I think most Democrats at least kinda like her. Where she is hated is on the right and by many of those who know nothing of politics whatsoever but have heard bits and pieces of the 12 year hate campaign effectively waged against her.

I wouldn't judge America's electorate by the behavior of some seriously hard-core Dems in the heady setting such as this. That would be the epitome of folly IMO.

Julie
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Raffi Ella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-02-07 12:54 PM
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37. very well said.
:patriot:
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ElizabethDC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-02-07 12:21 PM
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25. I was surprised, too
the crowd gave her a great response - I wasn't expecting that. I thought she did a good job - her speaking skills have improved recently.
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meegbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-02-07 12:21 PM
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26. Senator Clinton heckled at DNC winter meeting: Developing...
This is at the top of the RawStory website www.rawstory.com.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-02-07 12:21 PM
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27. I dont remember it, CSPAN will repeat this tonite
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meegbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-02-07 12:29 PM
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30. I'll be checking back on this ...
Interesting to see how this is covered.
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Connie_Corleone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-02-07 12:54 PM
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36. I listened to the audio, but I don't remember hearing heckling.
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justiceischeap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-02-07 12:59 PM
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38. I watched it and noticed no heckling
Maybe I wasn't paying attention?? :shrug:
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meegbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-02-07 01:15 PM
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40. Here's a link to my post on it ...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3091455&mesg_id=3091455

RawStory as of late seems to be, I won't say they're anti-Hillary, but they certainly seem to find the more "unflattering" things about her to post.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-02-07 12:25 PM
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29. I'd call it lukewarm - except for the paid operatives n/t
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-02-07 12:51 PM
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35. The only time I hear Hater --
The Media are the Original Clinton Haters and since
they do not believe in Redemption they have never
forgiven Bill for his zipper problem and Hillary
for Not"killing "him.

The Media successfully roiled up the RW and there
are the Clinton Haters.(Republicans)

For the most part Democrats for the most part like her
but have misgivings about her various positions on
Issues. Some fear she cannot win because of the
real Clinton Haters. Among many Republicans, Hillary
and her strong personality is a threat.
A lot of Democrats simply support other Candidates.

When I hear Hillary Hater I think RWingers.
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