When the term organic loses it's meaning..

There will still be buyers and people selling stuff claiming it's organic this lie about food was happening BEFORE the FDA relaxed standards again this time.
Cloned food..organic? The fact they even DEBATE this??WTF??!
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/28/AR2007012800862_pf.html
http://www.jacksonprogressive.com/issues/foodtech/organicinconsistencies121805.html

As long as people BELIEVE the label organic holds any special designation and are willing to pay like they believe it...The people buying will never know the truth because people are not always rational they are emotional too .So health wary consumers with bucks to burn don't want to give up the belief system, that tells them there IS safe food somewhere and you can get it if you pay and pay more..

How "organic" can it be if Wal Mart is going organic?
http://www.treehugger.com/files/2006/05/walmart_is_goin_1.php
http://www.chefann.com/blog/?p=629
Truth is..Everything is contaminated.

Question:
Why do you think wild animals are mutating,gender bending, getting sick ,getting tumors for? Wild animals don't shop in supermarkets or buy food from big agriculture. They eat as organic and wild crafted as it gets and THEY are getting sick? How can this be? Because EVERYTHING has been contaminated. It is only a matter of time before it gets
concentrated enough in our part of the food chain to make birth defects and other bodily damage so common they can't be pretended away..Common Like allergies are now.

http://www.netscape.com/viewstory/2007/01/27/deformed-beaks-are-puzzling-biologists/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.komotv.com%2Fnews%2Flocal%2F5383361.html&frame=true

http://www.ehponline.org/docs/1997/105-10/NIEHSnews.html

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=&imgrefurl=http://www.pca.state.mn.us/hot/closeup.html&h=1704&w=2272&sz=1934&hl=en&start=3&um=1&tbnid=WmOVF8zEuZO5IM:&tbnh=113&tbnw=150&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dwild%2Bpollution%2Bdeformed%26svnum%3D10%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG

No organic true believer wants to think on that thought that wild animals are being deformed and they eat organic as it gets...It creates a feeling of helplessness that feels very unpleasant.
http://consumerlawpage.com/article/endocrine.shtml
http://www.widesmiles.org/cleftlinks/WS-481.html
http://aje.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/155/4/313
http://www.pacificenvironment.org/article.php?id=1900
http://www.pollutioninpeople.org/results/report/chapter-3/metals_5
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medicalnews.php?newsid=61242

http://www.ourstolenfuture.org/NewScience/wildlife/wildlife.htm
To admit there may be no way out of being contaminated while you exist on a polluted planet, it is threatening to their belief system.Some folks need to have the belief that if they pay more they will be protected from harm..

People who want to pooh pooh the idea that our planet has been ruined by the consumer/corporate.military industry ect..Really want to believe someone cares, Someone in the food chain someone in industry, someone with power is looking out for them too.That money equals power.By not buying themselves they can influence what other people buy oblivious to the harsh realities some poorer people face,food is food it quells the hunger keeps them working longer,so they can feed their families so they eat the cheapest shit that's quick..for many reasons one of which is demands at WORK.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0JQP/is_2002_March/ai_84306137

But it really doesn't help all that much it's more of a political statement made by people who can afford to be choosy and pay for the"organic label".Why do so many people assume that it's situation normal to have to to bribe a person in power to care about them? Doesn't just mean he is a callous asshole if he has to be BRIBED to say he cares,and even after the bribe he still he does nothing for you and rewards his buddies??

A citizens chump change isn't much compared to the sums and perks lobbyists can lavish on these psychopaths sitting in power.Money in small amounts doesn't mean much to oblivious people swimming in money who see us as fodder to use up and abuse..It would be better spent helping out poor people by buying them food and giving it to them yourself. Who you know inside the halls of power equals power, it's called social capital..
http://www.scorecard.org/
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines02/0101-02.htm
But sadly if you are not in the elite circles no one in power cares if you die or get sick as long as someone pays the bill..

http://www.unknownnews.org/051209a-Panther.html

In 1997, thirty monkeys were born. Among them five had deformities and three had deformed limbs. One of the reasons why monkeys are deformed is agricultural chemicals in food. Particularly, it is said that chloride organic agricultural chemicals cause cancers and deformities. They remain and accumulate easily in man's body. Although using some of them is prohibited in Japan, but foreign countries can use them. Monkeys eat imported grain, and agricultural chemicals remain in their bodies little by little. Then, deformed monkeys appear. We also live in the same surroundings as monkeys, and eat the same food as monkeys. So problems of deformities may have been occurring to us, too. We must recognize that they'll appear in humans too. Monkeys are merely sacrificed as an early warning signal. We must look at these facts more closely, or these problems would continue till posterity. The destruction of the ecosystem brings intensified problems in the Global Environment to us and it will form a crisis to future generations.
http://www.nk.rim.or.jp/~fumiaki/iaeg/is98/IS98e2.html

And its not just Monsanto polluting
http://www.dailypress.com/news/dp-33441sy0jun10,0,3706332.story?track=mostemailedlink

And if they can bend it or shape it to cover their product they will do so.

Big agriculture infiltrating local farmer markets.

Georgia and North Carolina have tended to develop highly coordinated marketing channels that include regional facilities with activities that range from farmers' markets to wholesaling and brokering at the same site.
http://www.choicesmagazine.org/2006-4/produce/2006-4-05.htm

Psychological Effects (symbolism, associations)
When a color’s associations relate to the product in a literal or abstract way, this is considered to be functional. For example, green is frequently used in packaging of organic, healthy and natural products because if the association with trees, grass and nature.
http://www.colormatters.com/color_trademark.html


How bad can it get?
http://www.visualanguage.net/greenwash_article_Shapiro.html
http://www.the-infoshop.com/study/rb48873-food-drinks.html
http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/viewArticle.asp?articleID=27467
And a cached powerpoint presentation//Marketing organics.
Birkenstocks? WTF?
http://72.14.209.104/search?q=cache:i--453A9zrYJ:www.smallfruits.org/CoAgentTraining/2005Presentations/MorningTalks/MarketingOrganic.pdf+marketing+organic&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=9&gl=us
http://72.14.209.104/search?q=cache:v2Lb5lhEpmMJ:www.datamonitor.com/Products/Free/Report/DMCM4149/010DMCM4149.pdf+exploiting+the+organics+trend+marketing&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=31&gl=us&client=firefox-a

IF he can get away with it.What does it matter.I made a mistake..OOooooh. The original intention and message of my post remains the same however.
So if you gonna be nit picky over terms like FDA Usda..you said your nit,I admitted I confused the acronyms ..now either contribute something of thought to this thread or please leave this thread. I hate fucking anal nit pickers who pick over minor mistakes and grammar. Please offer something or find something better to do.

should direct their comments to the USDA. How is that not a contribution? For your information, it never crossed my mind that you would somehow take this as a nit pick. Excuse me for simply making what I thought was a useful correction.

....natural included stuff we would never take into of put onto our bodies. I don't know what a proper term might be but I do know what it is I want, DOES NOT HARM OUR HEALTH!

But it's very hard to come by. Considering we all are living on a contaminated planet you know.

Howabout non toxic?
Or this produce was not raised exposed to the "natural" i.e. polluted as hell environment?

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