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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 09:01 AM
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"An order to start."

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/06/13/notebook/main2926383_page2.shtml


Iraq's Cycle Of Bloodletting Continues
Lara Logan: The Attack In Samarra Is Meant To Push Iraq Into Chaos



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Within hours of the Golden Dome attack, mortars were falling on Sunni neighborhoods, and the streets were packed with Iraqi's trying to make it home before the city-wide curfew imposed by the Prime Minister. There wasn't enough time for everyone to make it so the curfew was pushed back a few hours. Then an eerie, unhappy emptiness settled on the streets.

Just as all of this was happening, the call came out over the loudspeaker of a mosque across from our building. It wasn't specific, but to the Iraqis around us the message was very clear. It was an order, they said. This is not the right time of day for the call to prayer. This was an order.

"To do what," I asked, "can you be more specific?"

"An order to start." That was the answer.

Start what?

Start killing on a greater scale than is already going on. Start killing more Sunnis for being Sunni – punish them. Then, more Shia will be killed for being Shia. And so it goes on.

The killing will be on both sides. But the Shia say more of them have been killed and they are only retaliating in self-defense. The Sunnis will say they are fighting for their own survival.

Self-defense. And survival.



the whole report is a must read!
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 09:05 AM
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1. IMO, Iraq hit "chaos" last year. Today we are into "senseless bloodbaths" with no end in sight. n/t
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 09:06 AM
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2. This can't possibly be correct
According to fox visionary and military expert bill krystol the argument that sunnis and shia don't get along is mere pop psychology. And I have to ask, who ya gonna believe, a professional journalist on the ground in country or a cowardly chickenhawk hidden on the set of faux news?
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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 09:08 AM
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4. faux news has moved on from Iraq - old news... it's Paris Hilton with same Iran on the side.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 09:06 AM
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3. Lara Logan is hot
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 09:18 AM
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5. Let's hope she stays safe.
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jimshoes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 09:27 AM
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6. Hmmm, what do they call it when
a country's citizenry divide into armed factions and start killing each other? Also what are the chances that the Iraqi government can do anything to stop it. One last thing, Is the US military going to be ordered to try and fix this. Kinda like trying to stop a chain reaction after its past critical mass.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 09:32 AM
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7. A good start?
:sarcasm:
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 09:36 AM
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8. The same events from the perspective of a 19 year old Iraqi blogger in Baghdad.

http://nabilsblog.blogspot.com/

Alskari shrine again

Here comes the reinforcement for the first sectarian wave started back
in Fab. 2006.

Today, I woke up on the sound of American soldiers breaking their way
into the shops located infront of my house and destroying them on the
excuse of checking for guns and explosives.
A friend of mine who is one of the shop owners and lives just behind
his shop, he said that when the Americans came to the area and started
destroying the doors of the shops as they were locked, he said that he
went out and told him that he had the key and there's no reason for
them to break the door of the shop, the American soldier answerd him
exactly with these four words "shut the fuck up".

Anyway, after talking to my friend and seeing how damaged his shop was
by those mercenaries. I recieved the news about Alaskari shrine.
At first they said that two mortar shells fell close to the shrine
without damaging it, then I heard that 2 bombs were planted near the
towers of the shrine and destroyed the towers.

I actually didn't care about it at first, because Abu Hanifa shrine in
Adhamyia gets bombed almost every month and no one mention anything
about it in the news, also Abd Alqadir Shrine was attacked about a
month ago and it didn't have that kind of reaction from politicians,
then I was so surprised to see the reactions in the media, the huge
deprecation from politicians about what happened. It was like Sunni
shrines are okay to be bombed, but shiite once are not.

Anyway, the thing is that the shrine is besieged by Americans and that
no one from the citizens are allowed to reach it, or even to reach 1Km
near it, so how the hell did that shrine get bombed by Alqa`eda or
other terrorists?

Rumor has it, that yesterday a unit of police was sent to Samarra, and
that they are the ones behind the attack.

Anyway, My opinion is that I'm 100% sure that the Iraqi
government is behind that attack.

By the way, only 30 minutes after the shrine was attacked and it was in
the news, Alrubai Mousque in Alrubai street was burned by Alsadr
militia and several people were kidnapped from Alghazalyia.
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Jim__ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 09:37 AM
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9. She's there, and feeling it.
She wrote that srticle under extreme emotional distress:

It's hard to see that when you know a death squad victim was taken in his pajamas in the dead of night and tortured to death with electric drills. Or when I look at the face of the young Iraqi interpreter sitting on my deak. His Marine Corps ID card tells me he was most likely an interpreter for them. His presence there on my desk reminds me that he was killed for being Sunni after being tried by an Islamic Sharia court run by Shiite militiamen, and his ID card was given to me as proof. Given to me by an Iraqi whose own life was already under threat, along with his pregnant wife and baby son who are already in hiding.

...

What I see is the face of a young Iraqi man staring up at me from his marine corps ID card, and I wonder if his family even know he is dead.


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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 10:36 AM
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10. More prisons now than before the invasion.
Beheadings, electric drill torture/executions. Saddam's era is starting to look like a period of compassion and kindness in Iraq.
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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 10:37 AM
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11. that section gave me chills :-(
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 10:49 AM
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12. Four words that sum up the Iraq situation perfectly. "Self defense... and survival."
:cry:
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GeorgeGist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 11:09 AM
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13.  The Shock Doctrine:The Rise of Disaster Capitalism - Naomi Klein
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 11:31 AM
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14. That should be excellent, thanks for posting.
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snappyturtle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 11:36 AM
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15. Reading this just makes me ill....how can we keep hearing that
Iraq is getting better?

BTW even though this was so sad to read it is a must read....I hope Lara Logan doesn't lose her life over this assignment.
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