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kickysnana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 10:14 AM
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Is it over?
Kucinich Reveals Dem Funding Bill Includes Privatization of Iraq Oil & Carte Blanche to Invade Iran
http://uslaboragainstwar.org/article.php?id=13498

I have been fighting the neocon fascists since Clinton was in office. I have written my congressmen, voted, worked telephone banks, participated on line, protested, talked to neighbors family and friends but if this above is true then the hearings, Pelosi, Reid, Conyers, Leiberman and Waxman are putting on a dog and pony show to appease us while they help bring on the rapture.

I was going to write my congresspeople today but then I thought "why"? Kobashar and Coleman are part of this and McCollum is already on our side. Pelosi, Reid, will not even read my messages because I am not in their district. Unless someone has something that will work and actually stop the above from happening I guess I am done. I need to prepare for what is coming and help others worse off than myself.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 10:17 AM
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1. I, for one, would like to see proof of this
Before I make any other decisions or concluisions.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 10:25 AM
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5. The media will give you proof Will
Edited on Thu Jun-14-07 10:34 AM by seemslikeadream
as they did with with Iraq. Don't you remember all the build up to the evil Saddam? Don't you see all the build up the the evil Iran? Even on the night of March 19 I believed someone would stop them. I don't have that much faith any more.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2003/04/03/MN306918.DTL

On Wednesday, CNN didn't deny that it knew anything about the war's start date, but a network official, speaking only on condition of anonymity, said picking the 19th was merely a good guess. The official said CNN's reporters have a lot of good government contacts and various dates had been tossed around.

Other networks were also making guesses -- a source at CBS said the news department was convinced it was March 20 -- but those musings began roughly two weeks after CNN's "guess" and just before the war started. If your memory can rush back through the fog of war, you'll recall that on March 4, it was diplomacy -- or faltering diplomacy -- that dominated the headlines. It wasn't until more than a week later, when the British suddenly proposed March 17 as a drop-dead date for U.N. Security Council bickering and Iraqi compliance, that a start date was even imaginable.

After that, President Bush announced his now famous 48-hour deadline and, when the 48 hours ran out -- on Wednesday, March 19 -- war started.



War and Globalization
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3117338213439292490&q=Hijacking+Catastrophe&total=29&start=20&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=7


Hijacking Catastrophe:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SltOy_F6ZII&mode=related&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YlcpXBFOXA&mode=related&search=
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8C02QHS0D44&mode=related&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YlcpXBFOXA&mode=related&search
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kBX00TR-aA&mode=related&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jghh00bn_DA&mode=related&search=


“Nemesis: The Last Days of the American Republic.”


She's present in our country right now, just waiting to make her - to carry out her divine mission



http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=07/02/27/1454229

CHALMERS JOHNSON: Nemesis was the ancient Greek goddess of revenge, the punisher of hubris and arrogance in human beings. You may recall she is the one that led Narcissus to the pond and showed him his reflection, and he dove in and drowned. I chose the title, because it seems to me that she's present in our country right now, just waiting to make her -- to carry out her divine mission.

By the subtitle, I really do mean it. This is not just hype to sell books -- “The Last Days of the American Republic.” I’m here concerned with a very real, concrete problem in political analysis, namely that the political system of the United States today, history tells us, is one of the most unstable combinations there is -- that is, domestic democracy and foreign empire -- that the choices are stark. A nation can be one or the other, a democracy or an imperialist, but it can't be both. If it sticks to imperialism, it will, like the old Roman Republic, on which so much of our system was modeled, like the old Roman Republic, it will lose its democracy to a domestic dictatorship.

I’ve spent some time in the book talking about an alternative, namely that of the British Empire after World War II, in which it made the decision, not perfectly executed by any manner of means, but nonetheless made the decision to give up its empire in order to keep its democracy. It became apparent to the British quite late in the game that they could keep the jewel in their crown, India, only at the expense of administrative massacres, of which they had carried them out often in India. In the wake of the war against Nazism, which had just ended, it became, I think, obvious to the British that in order to retain their empire, they would have to become a tyranny, and they, therefore, I believe, properly chose, admirably chose to give up their empire.

As I say, they didn't do it perfectly. There were tremendous atavistic fallbacks in the 1950s in the Anglo, French, Israeli attack on Egypt; in the repression of the Kikuyu -- savage repression, really -- in Kenya; and then, of course, the most obvious and weird atavism of them all, Tony Blair and his enthusiasm for renewed British imperialism in Iraq. But nonetheless, it seems to me that the history of Britain is clear that it gave up its empire in order to remain a democracy. I believe this is something we should be discussing very hard in the United States.

......
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 12:21 PM
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7. watch this
Edited on Thu Jun-14-07 12:22 PM by seemslikeadream
finishing off with IRAN

The Plan -- according to U.S. General Wesley Clark (Ret.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXS3vW47mOE
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WiseButAngrySara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 10:49 AM
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16. Syria, Lebanon, Palestine, Iran ... Do you believe this?
Purportedly a 5 year plan, and that was about 5 years ago. They aren't doing too well.
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peace13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 10:19 AM
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2. I feel your pain.
How do we wake the millions of sleeping sheeple? If we can't then we need to move on. I have kept a log of all of the calls that I have made to DC. At the end of the day I have to ask myself what good have they done. Peace to you, Kim
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 10:21 AM
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3. I like DK, but I'm from Missouri.
Need to see it, not hear it.
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ikojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 06:12 AM
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12. I live in St Louis and I for one believe
Kucinich. Democrats have been complicit in many misdeeds including the economic sanctions against Iraq which killed thousands. Remember Clinton also bombed Iraq regularly during his administration.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 08:19 AM
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13. Ah, so 'show me' matters not? Sorry, I wanna see the proof
Edited on Fri Jun-15-07 08:20 AM by havocmom
Funny that way. Wild claims are OK to speculate on, but hard evidence is best if you want to condemn people of something this serious.

Edited to add: Accepting wild claims without proof is what got us into Iraq
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Dhalgren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 10:22 AM
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4. I heard Kucinich talk about this very thing, it is disheartening.
Welcome to DU, for what it is worth...
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snappyturtle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 11:07 AM
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6. Oh how I wish we could look into the future....then we would know
what we should be doing. I just hate the uncertainty of all this. What good does it do to plan for the future? I just think it's futile.

What I'm most distressed about is that more and more I see fewer and fewer congresscritters looking out for the American people. The idealologies of the parties is different but when push comes to shoove they all act in lock step.....imho.
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 05:44 AM
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8. morning kick
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 05:56 AM
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9. I see no reason to be optimistic.
Ancient Rome had nothing on us. I think we will invade more Muslim nations, if not Iran.

A tiny percentage of Americans realize that our 'leaders' are actually monsters.
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 05:59 AM
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10. I am not in Pelosi's
district either. So I write to her speaker email. Different website and email address.

http://www.speaker.gov/

I realize in light of your post, putting this info here is probably futile. And to be fair, I've never received a reply from them, so who knows if they ever even get to her. But I keep writing.
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 06:09 AM
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11. I think it's been over for a long time
it's just that nobody called their hand like this before.

The boys have infiltrated both parties and most of the government institution for the last several generations, throwing us a bone now and then to make us think progress is being made, but the progressive movement which began in the 19th century, that took the Country back from the Robber Barons has been severely stalled by the Bush gang, their Masters and enablers.
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Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 09:15 AM
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14. I know my response is going to be
suspect because of my avatar, but, I've never caught Kucinich in a lie. Pelosi & Reid? Well, they're experts at dog-and-pony. Look, this is all about oil. It's ALWAYS been all about oil so why would this scenario be so far fetched?
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ljm2002 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 10:15 AM
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15. You can get a message to Pelosi...
...as the Speaker she represents all of us. Go to:

http://speaker.gov/contact/

(I had the same problem recently so just thought I'd share)
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