Kerry On Hardball: "Iraq is worse than Vietnam"

Gave various reasons including that "Iraq was a war of choice."

almost lucid.

can be quite revolting.

The other guy Christie, is just a Rove bot.

probably Kerry needs to rethink that.

Quote;
'Iraq is worse than Vietnam, and the reason it's worse is because came about as a war of choice, not the extension of a major ideological effort like the cold war, and I think that the deception and inadequacies of leadership have been far greater in the long run.'

that he will have to explain over and over again. Doesn't ring true to the average bloke.

Since you are a politician and have done more for the "average bloke"

I would have said..."Iraq was a bigger mistake than Vietnam".

Enough of this...can't we all get along now?

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There is a history of past and current statements about Iraq and Vietnam here.

it dwarfs the numbers in Iraq. The statement requires multiple qualifiers and too much explaining to "make sense".

Read my posts or leave me alone.

But some people have blinders on and can't accept reality.

why he voted for it?

who is this man subbing for him? I kinda like him.

I was hoping the guest would ask the question why "progressives" keep letting Bush and Rove get away with the "voting for the war" lie instead of reading the statements about the vote and people that have been against it from the start.

Bush he was going to invade Iraq without a vote period.

That is a strange statement.

Horrible as over 3,500 casualties are (and untold thousands of civilian deaths), the U.S. lost 58,000 troops in Vietnam. Vietnam had more longevity (so far), and a draft to keep troop numbers sustainable.

Both were/are wars of ideology, the Cold War bolstering the former, and neoconservatism pushing the latter. Both undergirded by capitalism and its rapaciousness. The entire century-plus since the Spanish-American War has followed a similar pattern - American exceptionalism, greed, jingoism, and racism, all a very potent brew for endless wars and mindless bloodshed, lining pockets from United Fruit to Halliburton along the way.

The one thing which is worse about Iraq is its long-term ripple effect. The 'blowback' will last decades, even centuries. To many in the middle east, this is yet another incarnation of the Crusades. Then there is the oil angle. The endless cycles of vengeance, and so on.

From a sociopolitical and economic standpoint, Iraq is proving it could be worse in the long run.

I would slightly amend what I said in my earlier post and say they are both very tragic and wasteful in very different ways, but for underlying reasons which are remarkably similar and not without precedent in American history. I could even go back as far as the Mexican War to make a few more points, but I think since we're mainly in agreement about Iraq, they're not needed.

Hagel has said Iraq is like Vietnam, and he was there.

There is a history of past and current statements about Iraq and Vietnam here.

Vietnam didn't spawn a whole movement against the US by the rest of the world.

Bush's policies reIraq under the guise of a War on Terror will be blowing back at this country for generations.